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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Jul 1, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -5
What I’ve always asked about Kentucky. Seems like when the lights get bright, they don’t show up. I think they lacked leadership a bit. Also I noticed, that in Edmond’s last game of the season (both her junior and senior year), she got out performed by the opponents best player. Her junior year she didn’t play well and they got swept by Nebraska. But in 2019 when they played Washington, Bajema out played her. And no, it doesn’t all fall on her, but big time players sometimes have to carry their team to a win, and Edmond didn’t do that. In each of Kentucky’s NCAA tournament losses during the Edmond era, the team dropped the first two sets. They either got swept (2016, 2018) or stole the third set and lost in 4 (2017,2019). Hmmm. It did seems those were her worst matches of the season. She definitely didn't disappear against Florida. I guess I've always looked at it as when Edmond was down, so was the team. They didn't have another player able to fill her shoes when she's off. In addition, I would not expect her to outperform the queen of the NCAA tourney in Foecke. Bajema maybe but she is capable of playing at a high level
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Post by donut on Jul 1, 2020 12:59:28 GMT -5
I'm saying all of this as a frustrated Kentucky fan:
Kentucky has been an elite, top-10 team, for only 3 years. IIRC they sporadically received a few top-16 seeds a few other years the last 20 seasons or so, but they have only been in the conversation of challenging teams like Nebraska or Washington for 3 seasons. In those 3 seasons, they lost to a higher-seeded team twice and lost to a lower seed team once. Based on seeding, it seems like they lived up to expectations. I'm not ready, after only three years, to say that categorically "when the lights get bright, they don't show up." Most other elite volleyball programs had a much longer ramp-up period than 3 years.
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Post by vballvball on Jul 1, 2020 13:04:35 GMT -5
I think it was the best in the country last season statistically. Really makes you wonder with that passing, one or if not the best setter in the country, and with the weapons they had what went wrong. What I’ve always asked about Kentucky. Seems like when the lights get bright, they don’t show up. I think they lacked leadership a bit. Also I noticed, that in Edmond’s last game of the season (both her junior and senior year), she got out performed by the opponents best player. Her junior year she didn’t play well and they got swept by Nebraska. But in 2019 when they played Washington, Bajema out played her. And no, it doesn’t all fall on her, but big time players sometimes have to carry their team to a win, and Edmond didn’t do that. In each of Kentucky’s NCAA tournament losses during the Edmond era, the team dropped the first two sets. They either got swept (2016, 2018) or stole the third set and lost in 4 (2017,2019). This is why I was kinda happy to see Edmond graduate. You could tell that she sometimes felt the stress of carrying her team and in big games, it definitely negatively affected her. I think with her gone, the team has a chance to write a new story. Curry and Lilley have a chance to go out with a bang. Don’t get me wrong, Edmond was definitely the best player ever at Kentucky, but the program will be bigger than her. She was just the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 13:08:03 GMT -5
Here's the requested table of SEC teams sorted by opponents good pass percentage. A 'good pass' is a 2 pass (on a three point scale) or better and allows your offense to function 'in system'. Given that the goal of the serve is to force your opponents out of system, the lower your opponents good pass percentage against your serves, the tougher you are serving.
| Opp GP% (lower is better) | Ace % | Err % | 1. Kentucky | 43.7% | 5.6% | 9.4% | 2. Missouri | 44.0% | 7.3% | 10.5% | 3. Georgia | 44.9% | 6.5% | 10.6% | 4. Arkansas | 46.4% | 6.5% | 10.8% | 5. Texas A&M | 48.0% | 6.3% | 8.9% | 6. Alabama | 48.4% | 5.4% | 8.9% | 7. Florida | 48.7% | 6.4% | 9.3% | 8. South Carolina | 49.7% | 5.1% | 10.4% | 9. Tennessee | 49.8% | 5.1% | 9.3% | 10. LSU | 51.4% | 5.0% | 10.0% | 11. Ole Miss | 51.8% | 4.4% | 7.4% | 12. Auburn | 52.9% | 4.9% | 8.7% | 13. Miss State | 54.7% | 5.0% | 6.7% |
When interpreting this stuff, I think it's always valuable to have some context. To that end I'll give you some players who represent either end of these rankings.
The good pass percentage, ~53%, achieved by the combined opponents of worst serving teams last year in the SEC was comparable to that of Kylie Deberg's GP% in 2019 of 52.9% - in fact it was identical to the mark recorded against Auburn's serve. Effectively, Auburn allowed every team they faced to pass like Kylie Deberg for the day! Meanwhile at the other end of the spectrum, the toughest serving schools were in the ~44% range; that is similar to the good pass percentage of 44.3% achieved by T'ara Ceasar in 2018 for UGA. Opponents of UK, UM and UGA forced their opponents to pass, on average, like Ceasar did in 2018.
Edit: I decided not to include points won on serve because then you start to factor in things besides the initial serve. The above table represents who served best in 2019, rather than who won the most points - I'm pretty sure you'd all be able to guess, with a good degree of accuracy, how that table would look.
Hope this is interesting.
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Post by Kingsley on Jul 1, 2020 13:10:39 GMT -5
Amber Stivrins is a Georgia Bulldog!
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Post by dman on Jul 1, 2020 14:42:58 GMT -5
Amber Stivrins is a Georgia Bulldog! This is a good get for Georgia!
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Post by vbprisoner on Jul 1, 2020 14:58:50 GMT -5
Amber Stivrins is a Georgia Bulldog! This is a good get for Georgia! A bit shocking, but probably a very good fit.
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Post by dman on Jul 2, 2020 13:42:58 GMT -5
Saw through a Tweet how Coach Skinner was pressuring the NCAA to allow the coaches to work with the girls before Aug 1. Heard it was kiboshed... The NCAA is run by a bunch of idiots! The girls missed an entire Spring and they're worried about four weeks of extra instruction! Don't get it....
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 2, 2020 13:58:49 GMT -5
Here's the requested table of SEC teams sorted by opponents good pass percentage. A 'good pass' is a 2 pass (on a three point scale) or better and allows your offense to function 'in system'. Given that the goal of the serve is to force your opponents out of system, the lower your opponents good pass percentage against your serves, the tougher you are serving.
| Opp GP% (lower is better) | Ace % | Err % | 1. Kentucky | 43.7% | 5.6% | 9.4% | 2. Missouri | 44.0% | 7.3% | 10.5% | 3. Georgia | 44.9% | 6.5% | 10.6% | 4. Arkansas | 46.4% | 6.5% | 10.8% | 5. Texas A&M | 48.0% | 6.3% | 8.9% | 6. Alabama | 48.4% | 5.4% | 8.9% | 7. Florida | 48.7% | 6.4% | 9.3% | 8. South Carolina | 49.7% | 5.1% | 10.4% | 9. Tennessee | 49.8% | 5.1% | 9.3% | 10. LSU | 51.4% | 5.0% | 10.0% | 11. Ole Miss | 51.8% | 4.4% | 7.4% | 12. Auburn | 52.9% | 4.9% | 8.7% | 13. Miss State | 54.7% | 5.0% | 6.7% |
When interpreting this stuff, I think it's always valuable to have some context. To that end I'll give you some players who represent either end of these rankings.
The good pass percentage, ~53%, achieved by the combined opponents of worst serving teams last year in the SEC was comparable to that of Kylie Deberg's GP% in 2019 of 52.9% - in fact it was identical to the mark recorded against Auburn's serve. Effectively, Auburn allowed every team they faced to pass like Kylie Deberg for the day! Meanwhile at the other end of the spectrum, the toughest serving schools were in the ~44% range; that is similar to the good pass percentage of 44.3% achieved by T'ara Ceasar in 2018 for UGA. Opponents of UK, UM and UGA forced their opponents to pass, on average, like Ceasar did in 2018.
Edit: I decided not to include points won on serve because then you start to factor in things besides the initial serve. The above table represents who served best in 2019, rather than who won the most points - I'm pretty sure you'd all be able to guess, with a good degree of accuracy, how that table would look.
Hope this is interesting.
Thanks for the input. Great stuff. Now is this just SEC matches or all games. Tough to compare exactly with unbalanced schedules and if all matches quality of opponent. But great starting point
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Post by volleav on Jul 2, 2020 14:19:48 GMT -5
Saw through a Tweet how Coach Skinner was pressuring the NCAA to allow the coaches to work with the girls before Aug 1. Heard it was kiboshed... The NCAA is run by a bunch of idiots! The girls missed an entire Spring and they're worried about four weeks of extra instruction! Don't get it.... Yet football is making up some time and there are WAY more of them than volleyball. I heard bball coaches even get to work with kids before vball. Not sure if that is true or not.
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Post by trainermch on Jul 2, 2020 15:01:19 GMT -5
Amber Stivrins is a Georgia Bulldog! Late
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Post by trainermch on Jul 2, 2020 15:06:05 GMT -5
Saw through a Tweet how Coach Skinner was pressuring the NCAA to allow the coaches to work with the girls before Aug 1. Heard it was kiboshed... The NCAA is run by a bunch of idiots! The girls missed an entire Spring and they're worried about four weeks of extra instruction! Don't get it.... I saw that too. John Cook got in on the convo et al. Pretty good thread.
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Post by dman on Jul 2, 2020 16:35:27 GMT -5
Saw through a Tweet how Coach Skinner was pressuring the NCAA to allow the coaches to work with the girls before Aug 1. Heard it was kiboshed... The NCAA is run by a bunch of idiots! The girls missed an entire Spring and they're worried about four weeks of extra instruction! Don't get it.... Yet football is making up some time and there are WAY more of them than volleyball. I heard bball coaches even get to work with kids before vball. Not sure if that is true or not. Yep, you heard right! Apparently, NCAA allows summer training with coaches for bball.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 2, 2020 16:42:41 GMT -5
Saw through a Tweet how Coach Skinner was pressuring the NCAA to allow the coaches to work with the girls before Aug 1. Heard it was kiboshed... The NCAA is run by a bunch of idiots! The girls missed an entire Spring and they're worried about four weeks of extra instruction! Don't get it.... What don't you get? Let me see if I can explain it to you, you uneducated and clueless volleyball-lover, it's called basketball, sometimes pronounced moneyball. You volleyball people should come out from under your rocks sometimes... Oh wait, me a volleyballer too...
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Post by reformate on Jul 3, 2020 3:55:45 GMT -5
Here's the requested table of SEC teams sorted by opponents good pass percentage. A 'good pass' is a 2 pass (on a three point scale) or better and allows your offense to function 'in system'. Given that the goal of the serve is to force your opponents out of system, the lower your opponents good pass percentage against your serves, the tougher you are serving.
| Opp GP% (lower is better) | Ace % | Err % | 1. Kentucky | 43.7% | 5.6% | 9.4% | 2. Missouri | 44.0% | 7.3% | 10.5% | 3. Georgia | 44.9% | 6.5% | 10.6% | 4. Arkansas | 46.4% | 6.5% | 10.8% | 5. Texas A&M | 48.0% | 6.3% | 8.9% | 6. Alabama | 48.4% | 5.4% | 8.9% | 7. Florida | 48.7% | 6.4% | 9.3% | 8. South Carolina | 49.7% | 5.1% | 10.4% | 9. Tennessee | 49.8% | 5.1% | 9.3% | 10. LSU | 51.4% | 5.0% | 10.0% | 11. Ole Miss | 51.8% | 4.4% | 7.4% | 12. Auburn | 52.9% | 4.9% | 8.7% | 13. Miss State | 54.7% | 5.0% | 6.7% |
When interpreting this stuff, I think it's always valuable to have some context. To that end I'll give you some players who represent either end of these rankings.
The good pass percentage, ~53%, achieved by the combined opponents of worst serving teams last year in the SEC was comparable to that of Kylie Deberg's GP% in 2019 of 52.9% - in fact it was identical to the mark recorded against Auburn's serve. Effectively, Auburn allowed every team they faced to pass like Kylie Deberg for the day! Meanwhile at the other end of the spectrum, the toughest serving schools were in the ~44% range; that is similar to the good pass percentage of 44.3% achieved by T'ara Ceasar in 2018 for UGA. Opponents of UK, UM and UGA forced their opponents to pass, on average, like Ceasar did in 2018.
Edit: I decided not to include points won on serve because then you start to factor in things besides the initial serve. The above table represents who served best in 2019, rather than who won the most points - I'm pretty sure you'd all be able to guess, with a good degree of accuracy, how that table would look.
Hope this is interesting.
Fantastic stuff. If you don't mind, can you tabulate the opponent %GP against one team and the opponent %GP against other teams? For example, if the opponent %GP is 44% against Kentucky and 48% against other teams, then Kentucky's serving forced a 4-point reduction in opponent %GP. I personally think this is a better reflection of the serving difficulty per team.
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