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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 10:52:09 GMT -5
Even if the (fall) season gets cancelled, on paper the would-be seniors should be allowed to come back to compete as seniors in 2021. They may not get their scholarships, don't know. And obviously some might have professional opportunities that they'd rather not delay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:29:10 GMT -5
Man, this is depressing. There is NO WAY there's going to be a season. This based on rumors and/or what you're hearing from sources? Or is this based on covid numbers rising or some other news?
No rumors or sources. Just a gut feeling based on what's happening with other conferences and with the virus. If it's delayed to the spring, that would be the next best option. But I don't see how 2020 seniors could return in 2021 without huge problems with rosters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:37:28 GMT -5
This based on rumors and/or what you're hearing from sources? Or is this based on covid numbers rising or some other news?
No rumors or sources. Just a gut feeling based on what's happening with other conferences and with the virus. If it's delayed to the spring, that would be the next best option. But I don't see how 2020 seniors could return in 2021 without huge problems with rosters. Maybe not the smartest or fairest, but one of the simplest things that could be done would be to allow a one year exemption on roster sizes and allow any 6th year senior to keep whatever scholarship she was going to have in 2020, for the 2021 season without it counting against the limit. If the AD wants to cheap-ass out, they could just say that seniors can come back, but has to be on their own dime.
Either way, limits it to a one year aberration. Effectively, you steal away a season of time from every non-senior. But seems like most these days don't redshirt, so most won't also lose a season of participation. (recall, all of these ladies get a 5 calendar year clock that starts the moment they enroll, to participate in four fall seasons (spring seasons don't count against it))
Those who have already redshirted, lose the most. For example, if she was going to have been a redshirt junior this fall, she'll lose that season. She can be a senior next year, but her clock runs out after that, even though she technically has another season of participation left.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:40:09 GMT -5
There's that too -- eligibility. But I'm talking about playing time. You're basically stealing a year from one class either way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:41:33 GMT -5
There's that too -- eligibility. But I'm talking about playing time. You're basically stealing a year from one class either way. Not if they haven't redshirted. Then fall 2020 is effectively a redshirt year.
If you're saying something like "6th year seniors in 2021 will be taking away playing time that might've otherwise gone to a true freshman" ..... well, there's just nothing that can be done about it. My opinion is that it's more fair to give a senior back her stolen away senior year, as opposed to preserving a freshman's true freshman year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:47:12 GMT -5
I don't see how that is fair at all. I just don't.
Regardless, someone will be gypped.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:52:53 GMT -5
I don't see how that is fair at all. I just don't. Regardless, someone will be gypped. Do you think it is more fair to tell 2020 seniors "tough s___, see ya" ??
I could never agree to that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:57:06 GMT -5
No, that's not fair either. That's the point. SOMEONE is going to get screwed out of a year. And I assume EVERYONE gets another year, not just the seniors, right? It's a snowball.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:58:55 GMT -5
No, that's not fair either. That's the point. SOMEONE is going to get screwed out of a year. And I assume EVERYONE gets another year, not just the seniors, right? It's a snowball. If you do that (everyone gets another year), then it becomes a five year ordeal.
That would be the fairest way, I'm sure. But then you're talking about increased cost for a sport that is mostly non-revenue.
Life isn't fair, and I think most AD's and school presidents will say no. Maybe in the Big Ten, they may agree to it? I'd be fine with that. I guess we'll see what happens.
If they just play the season in spring, that of course could work itself out as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 12:03:46 GMT -5
They could also choose which athletes they want to give another year to. Every senior is not the same.
It's going to be a headache if they go that route. Maybe it's just best to say 2020 is gone, tough as that would be (and assuming spring does not happen).
Even if they have a fall season, it won't be a normal one. I doubt there would be a real tournament. It's a mess. And it was possibly an avoidable mess. That's what makes it tougher.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 12:05:04 GMT -5
I'll just self-suspend my account now, I guess. If I'm not allowed to point that out.
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Post by douglass9 on Jul 26, 2020 12:25:12 GMT -5
I'm now seeing that 1918 pandemic lasted three years which could really add to the mess. Not to be controversial I would like
Dana Rettke to be gone. (that's a tribute to her skills)
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Post by huskerjen on Jul 26, 2020 18:15:58 GMT -5
There's that too -- eligibility. But I'm talking about playing time. You're basically stealing a year from one class either way. Not if they haven't redshirted. Then fall 2020 is effectively a redshirt year.
If you're saying something like "6th year seniors in 2021 will be taking away playing time that might've otherwise gone to a true freshman" ..... well, there's just nothing that can be done about it. My opinion is that it's more fair to give a senior back her stolen away senior year, as opposed to preserving a freshman's true freshman year.
If they extend seniors on scholarship without counting against the cap, freshman can either play or redshirt (depending on each team's situation). The only two adjustments that would need to be made is for freshman that end up redshirting that otherwise would not have. Their sacrifice would be staying in college an extra summer and fall semester. The coaches would also need to rethink their scholarship allocation for the '24/'25 seasons if they have some unexpected freshman redshirts in 2021. Not that much of a sacrifice.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Jul 26, 2020 18:40:25 GMT -5
Its not just a Fr/Sr problem. Look at our middles, two sophomores and a transfer junior will compete for one spot (I assume Pittman has the other). If they don't play this year one of them misses a year of starting and the others still have to compete with said starter for the next two years. If you allow all three another year then you really mess up schollarships for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 19:11:39 GMT -5
The point is that you can put off paying the bill, but eventually it has to be paid. And in this case, it means some class loses a year of playing time.
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