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Post by Kingsley on Dec 27, 2019 12:45:34 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of male coaches talk about the importance of their student athletes becoming good husbands and fathers. The bible often uses the term "serve". When did service become a bad thing? If you serve as a volunteer at a homeless shelter, is that a bad thing? Serving shows love and appreciation. It doesn't mean you're weak. Is serving your family by providing financial security a bad thing? Would a male who keeps the house up and takes care of the kids considered less if that's the way he serves his family. Relationships are about serving each other. Nothing demoralizing or negative about it. The denotation of "service", in this case, is essentially to be subservient to one's husband. It suggests that a wife is inferior to their husband. That's the core issue here.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 27, 2019 12:47:22 GMT -5
^ no, the core issue here is why are we discussion religion on VT. Why don't we just move right on to Trump while we're at it?
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 27, 2019 12:48:35 GMT -5
You're missing the point. McGuyre is hurting women by saying "serve your husband." It's not "intolerance" to suggest that people should critically think about the messages they send to young women. He may be hurting young women from your POV, and I see what your saying. If you have ever spoken to McGuyre you understand that he believes very strongly in his faith and he wants the best for his athletes in the framework of that faith. To McGuyre and Baylor fans, this was a normal thing to say. For those of us that take the time to understand what that is supposed to mean, what it actually means, and how other people will/have interpret the meaning is a whole different story. Have you spoken to McGuyre about this specific incident and how the phrasing and his word choice could hurt women? Given the rapes, murders, and the coverups that Baylor has seen in the last few years, they need to start walking the walk.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 27, 2019 12:49:26 GMT -5
You're missing the point. McGuyre is hurting women by saying "serve your husband." It's not "intolerance" to suggest that people should critically think about the messages they send to young women. He may be hurting young women from your POV, and I see what your saying. If you have ever spoken to McGuyre you understand that he believes very strongly in his faith and he wants the best for his athletes in the framework of that faith. To McGuyre and Baylor fans, this was a normal thing to say. For those of us that take the time to understand what that is supposed to mean, what it actually means, and how other people will/have interpret the meaning is a whole different story. Have you spoken to McGuyre about this specific incident and how the phrasing and his word choice could hurt women? Given the rapes, murders, and the coverups that Baylor has seen in the last few years, they need to start walking the walk.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 27, 2019 12:50:28 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of male coaches talk about the importance of their student athletes becoming good husbands and fathers. The bible often uses the term "serve". When did service become a bad thing? If you serve as a volunteer at a homeless shelter, is that a bad thing? Serving shows love and appreciation. It doesn't mean you're weak. Is serving your family by providing financial security a bad thing? Would a male who keeps the house up and takes care of the kids considered less if that's the way he serves his family. Relationships are about serving each other. Nothing demoralizing or negative about it. The context of servitude does not have a rosy history in religion or this country.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 27, 2019 12:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Dec 27, 2019 13:01:55 GMT -5
This might be the same person at the HoF lunch I told to get lost. They were rambling on and on about how the AVCA let this guy go up there and proselytize amongst other things. He started on other coaches and other people of faith in general and I wasn't having it. Being the heathen I am, I wasn't bashful about letting this guy know his intolerance was not welcome. I knew he was making a few of our tablemates uncomfortable so I asked him to leave and he found another table to bother. Look it's Baylor, I fully expected McGuyre to go that route with his speech. If this is the same person, I hope they never find a college coaching job because we don't need more ignorant and intolerant loudmouths in our ranks. You're missing the point. McGuyre is hurting women by saying "serve your husband." It's not "intolerance" to suggest that people should critically think about the messages they send to young women. This is the same guy that empowered his assistant coach to give birth the first week of December and still be on the sidelines for their final four run, right? If he’s as bad as you think he is, it seems kinda hypocritical of McGuyre to allow a woman to leave the kitchen to pursue her passion and career goals.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 27, 2019 13:08:43 GMT -5
^ no, the core issue here is why are we discussion religion on VT. Why don't we just move right on to Trump while we're at it? I see no religious discussion here. I see a man saying that a woman barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen is the next role after volleyball is over.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 27, 2019 13:09:08 GMT -5
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 27, 2019 13:15:37 GMT -5
Women should NOT be serving their husbands. Regardless of your religious beliefs, this is an outdated practice, and just like some of their stances on LGBT issues, I hope it changes in the future. Do I think he meant harm? No, and everyone is certainly entitled to their own religious beliefs in this country, however, just because hes entitled to say what he wants, and believe what he wants, does not make him free of criticism, freedom of speech and religion, especially speech, does not equate to freedom from consequences.
If Stafford wants to be a housewife and serve her husband, that is HER choice, however she is going to be a college graduate, and seems like a strong, smart women, so if she wants to go into the work force, that is also her choice. I hope ryan really learns that their is a time and place for everything.
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Post by dokterrudi on Dec 27, 2019 13:16:28 GMT -5
REASONABLE.SERVES. Taken out of context this is poor verbiage... It is however Biblically sound... next thing you know that guy will be having prayer circles on National TV... I hear there's big money in that.
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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 27, 2019 13:25:57 GMT -5
Women are breeders. The only reason for a woman to go to school is to find a husband (not start a career). Marry young, pop out babies, change nappies, clean house, dish out food, provide sex, and obey your husband. Vote for Trump. That's your biological destiny. God's plan. I am so sick of the rules on this board only being enforced when it comes to conservatives, why is this moron allowed to say things like this without retribution?
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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 27, 2019 13:27:15 GMT -5
^ no, the core issue here is why are we discussion religion on VT. Why don't we just move right on to Trump while we're at it? I see no religious discussion here. I see a man saying that a woman barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen is the next role after volleyball is over. . This is yet again a blatant attack on Baylor and the fact they choose to be a religious University. The posters on this board should be ashamed for stooping so sleazy low in order to push their political agenda
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 27, 2019 13:27:50 GMT -5
why are you guys arguing about a guy's religious beliefs on VT? Because he is the head coach of a major women's volleyball program who looks to be using his position to spread a clearly misogynistic message to women and young girls. That makes it relevant. Put your apron on. Return to the 1950s, even better, to the 19th century. Dream small. Why are you trying to squelch discussion?
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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 27, 2019 13:29:16 GMT -5
^ no, the core issue here is why are we discussion religion on VT. Why don't we just move right on to Trump while we're at it? . That’s with this thread is really about, and attack on religion and a attack on Republican conservatives
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