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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2021 14:14:15 GMT -5
If everybody at every level of government and every state is failing, then perhaps expectations were unreasonable. Maybe politicians (or their health department appointees) simply aren't able to stop a global pandemic. Makes perfect sense when you realize every single country has had as disastrous a pandemic response as the United States. Per capita COVID deaths: UK: 149 US: 128 France: 109 Germany: 64 Australia: 3 New Zealand: 0.51 And for those who claim government responses don't mean anything, below is the closest you're gonna get to a controlled sample: Sweden: 108 Denmark: 34 Finland: 12 Norway: 10
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 14:49:48 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense when you realize every single country has had as disastrous a pandemic response as the United States. Per capita COVID deaths: UK: 149 US: 128 France: 109 Germany: 64 Australia: 3 New Zealand: 0.51 And for those who claim government responses don't mean anything, below is the closest you're gonna get to a controlled sample: Sweden: 108 Denmark: 34 Finland: 12 Norway: 10 What those numbers tell me is definitely that we did the best job we could.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 26, 2021 14:52:27 GMT -5
Per capita COVID deaths: UK: 149 US: 128 France: 109 Germany: 64 Australia: 3 New Zealand: 0.51 And for those who claim government responses don't mean anything, below is the closest you're gonna get to a controlled sample: Sweden: 108 Denmark: 34 Finland: 12 Norway: 10 What those numbers tell me is definitely that we did the best job we could. Who’s arguing that we did the best job? Every country could’ve done it better now that we have hindsight. Given how global the United States is however, I don’t think those numbers are horrendous.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 14:53:10 GMT -5
What those numbers tell me is definitely that we did the best job we could. Who’s arguing that we did the best job? Every country could’ve done it better now that we have hindsight. Given how global the United States is however, I don’t think those numbers are horrendous. Hush, the adults are talking.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 26, 2021 14:58:43 GMT -5
Who’s arguing that we did the best job? Every country could’ve done it better now that we have hindsight. Given how global the United States is however, I don’t think those numbers are horrendous. Hush, the adults are talking. When they arrive let me know.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2021 15:11:57 GMT -5
Per capita COVID deaths: UK: 149 US: 128 France: 109 Germany: 64 Australia: 3 New Zealand: 0.51 And for those who claim government responses don't mean anything, below is the closest you're gonna get to a controlled sample: Sweden: 108 Denmark: 34 Finland: 12 Norway: 10 What those numbers tell me is definitely that we did the best job we could. You also have to look at the fundamentals of the United States - not that densely populated, not that old, not too many smokers, much of the population in warm & humid regions, didn't get hit hard in the first wave, and realize that we should have crushed it compared to most of our peers.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 15:18:05 GMT -5
What those numbers tell me is definitely that we did the best job we could. You also have to look at the fundamentals of the United States - not that densely populated, not that old, not too many smokers, much of the population in warm & humid regions, didn't get hit hard in the first wave, and realize that we should have crushed it compared to most of our peers. Nonsense. Warm weather countries with conservative federal republican governments can't possibly manage a pandemic.
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Post by moody on Jan 26, 2021 15:30:47 GMT -5
You also have to look at the fundamentals of the United States - not that densely populated, not that old, not too many smokers, much of the population in warm & humid regions, didn't get hit hard in the first wave, and realize that we should have crushed it compared to most of our peers. Nonsense. Warm weather countries with conservative federal republican governments can't possibly manage a pandemic. How exactly did we do the best job possible when we have 25% of the world's infections and deaths and less than 5% of the world's population?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 15:38:57 GMT -5
Nonsense. Warm weather countries with conservative federal republican governments can't possibly manage a pandemic. How exactly did we do the best job possible when we have 25% of the world's infections and deaths and less than 5% of the world's population? Not one for sarcasm, are we?
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Post by moody on Jan 26, 2021 15:49:18 GMT -5
How exactly did we do the best job possible when we have 25% of the world's infections and deaths and less than 5% of the world's population? Not one for sarcasm, are we? Guess I missed that. But hey, you don't want to hear from me anyway.
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Post by donut on Jan 26, 2021 15:59:35 GMT -5
We currently have 9 states that have higher deaths per 100,000 people than any country in the world.
NJ - 236 NY - 218 Mass - 205 RI - 197 Miss - 194 South Dakota - 193 Connecticut 191 North Dakota - 188 Louisiana - 184 Belgium - 181
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Post by dc on Jan 26, 2021 16:15:31 GMT -5
What those numbers tell me is definitely that we did the best job we could. You also have to look at the fundamentals of the United States - not that densely populated, not that old, not too many smokers, much of the population in warm & humid regions, didn't get hit hard in the first wave, and realize that we should have crushed it compared to most of our peers. Plus we had the highest level of expertise in the world and were the expected and traditional leaders of WHO and pandemic response.
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Post by n00b on Jan 26, 2021 16:26:18 GMT -5
We currently have 9 states that have higher deaths per 100,000 people than any country in the world. NJ - 236 NY - 218 Mass - 205 RI - 197 Miss - 194 South Dakota - 193 Connecticut 191 North Dakota - 188 Louisiana - 184Belgium - 181Well yes. But if you took the worst cities/states/regions/whatever those countries have, the worst ones are obviously going to also be worse than national averages. (When looking at per capita figures) Lomardy, Italy is at 266 deaths/100k. Liguria and Emilia-Romagna are also above 200. The smaller the region you look at, the more extreme numbers you'll get. Hawaii, Vermont and Alaska are all be below 35 deaths/100k. Those would be GREAT numbers for a country. But it doesn't mean much.
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Post by moody on Jan 26, 2021 16:27:51 GMT -5
We currently have 9 states that have higher deaths per 100,000 people than any country in the world. NJ - 236 NY - 218 Mass - 205 RI - 197 Miss - 194 South Dakota - 193 Connecticut 191 North Dakota - 188 Louisiana - 184Belgium - 181Well yes. But if you took the worst cities/states/regions/whatever those countries have, the worst ones are obviously going to also be worse than national averages. (When looking at per capita figures) Lomardy, Italy is at 266 deaths/100k. Liguria and Emilia-Romagna are also above 200. The smaller the region you look at, the more extreme numbers you'll get. Hawaii, Vermont and Alaska are all be below 35 deaths/100k. Those would be GREAT numbers for a country. But it doesn't mean much. What do you think about the US leading the world in infections and deaths while being less than 5% of the world's population?
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Post by donut on Jan 26, 2021 16:48:56 GMT -5
We currently have 9 states that have higher deaths per 100,000 people than any country in the world. NJ - 236 NY - 218 Mass - 205 RI - 197 Miss - 194 South Dakota - 193 Connecticut 191 North Dakota - 188 Louisiana - 184Belgium - 181Well yes. But if you took the worst cities/states/regions/whatever those countries have, the worst ones are obviously going to also be worse than national averages. (When looking at per capita figures) Lomardy, Italy is at 266 deaths/100k. Liguria and Emilia-Romagna are also above 200. The smaller the region you look at, the more extreme numbers you'll get. Hawaii, Vermont and Alaska are all be below 35 deaths/100k. Those would be GREAT numbers for a country. But it doesn't mean much. Yep, but I didn't do this arbitrarily. In terms of size, which is more similar to Belgium? New York, or the entire United States? The United States benefits from low density that other countries near the top of the fatality list don't benefit from. There are several good reasons for comparing states to European countries (specifically). Side note: "The smaller the region you look at, the more extreme numbers you'll get" is proven wrong within your own post.
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