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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2021 11:18:43 GMT -5
I didn't say anyone should be removed from society. Those who want to enjoy travel, shopping, restaurants, a job etc. get vaccinated. Sounds like Nazi Germany? No, sounds like being Black in America. You must comply! -- Wear your hair the 'white' way to meet ambiguous dress code otherwise, you're not welcome in my restaurant. You aren't allowed to go to school with NATURAL hair if you're Black. You want a better chance at getting a job? Give your kid an anglo name. Want to shop freely with less harassment from security and being followed around the store? Conform to the standards and make yourself appear 'less Black'. See how that works? Both statements are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Except yours is even more distasteful given the cost of life.
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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2021 11:23:18 GMT -5
And a previous infection offers as good of protection as the vaccine. So are previously-infected, unvaccinated people free to live normal life as well? If it’s about protection and not compliance, that answer should be yes. Is there conclusive evidence to your first statement? I think there may be a study to support it, but then there's another one that has evidence contrary to that (Kentucky study). Sounds like we don't know yet.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 2, 2021 11:25:14 GMT -5
Sounds like Nazi Germany? No, sounds like being Black in America. You must comply! -- Wear your hair the 'white' way to meet ambiguous dress code otherwise, you're not welcome in my restaurant. You aren't allowed to go to school with NATURAL hair if you're Black. You want a better chance at getting a job? Give your kid an anglo name. Want to shop freely with less harassment from security and being followed around the store? Conform to the standards and make yourself appear 'less Black'. See how that works? Both statements are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Except yours is even more distasteful given the cost of life. Yes - excluding people from society is not a good thing.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 2, 2021 11:28:35 GMT -5
And a previous infection offers as good of protection as the vaccine. So are previously-infected, unvaccinated people free to live normal life as well? If it’s about protection and not compliance, that answer should be yes. Is there conclusive evidence to your first statement? I think there may be a study to support it, but then there's another one that has evidence contrary to that (Kentucky study). Sounds like we don't know yet. Why is the burden of proof on those with natural immunity? Why is the opinion under the religion of the left considered settled science?
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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2021 11:33:20 GMT -5
Is there conclusive evidence to your first statement? I think there may be a study to support it, but then there's another one that has evidence contrary to that (Kentucky study). Sounds like we don't know yet. Why is the burden of proof on those with natural immunity? Why is the opinion under the religion of the left considered settled science? Burden of proof for what? We even know the vaccines aren't 100% effective. Neither was chicken pox though, I got that vaccine and still got chicken pox (though not as bad of a case). I said 'sounds like we don't know yet', which is probably true for a lot of things about COVID. Religion of left? What are you talking about. I'm kind of lost here.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 2, 2021 12:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by BearClause on Oct 2, 2021 12:42:59 GMT -5
Why is the burden of proof on those with natural immunity? Why is the opinion under the religion of the left considered settled science? Burden of proof for what? We even know the vaccines aren't 100% effective. Neither was chicken pox though, I got that vaccine and still got chicken pox (though not as bad of a case). I said 'sounds like we don't know yet', which is probably true for a lot of things about COVID. Religion of left? What are you talking about. I'm kind of lost here. Not everyone reacts to the vaccines the same way. Even measles or polio vaccines aren't 100% effective, where outbreaks have affected vaccinated individuals. However, the basics of epidemiology is that the first infected person to start an outbreak might have had 50 times less chance of getting infected if vaccinated, and also if infected might not be shedding as much virus.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 2, 2021 12:47:44 GMT -5
Sounds like Nazi Germany? No, sounds like being Black in America. You must comply! -- Wear your hair the 'white' way to meet ambiguous dress code otherwise, you're not welcome in my restaurant. You aren't allowed to go to school with NATURAL hair if you're Black. You want a better chance at getting a job? Give your kid an anglo name. Want to shop freely with less harassment from security and being followed around the store? Conform to the standards and make yourself appear 'less Black'. See how that works? Both statements are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Except yours is even more distasteful given the cost of life. There are a couple of ironies with your post. What you described with Black America is what moody is saying. Unless you do things MY specific way you should not be an active part of society. Also that's what BLM in New York is protesting. That the mandates in NYC are systemically racist. I personally don't agree with their argument but it's out there to be accepted or rejected. And since I'm here... 10% is a decently significant number. This brouhaha started because someone posted good news regarding covid treatment and I responded positively. Moody made a PSA/ manifesto announcement about what is necessary to be an active member of society. I then went to my Zumba class and came home to this. Can we at least ALL be happy that there could be a drug that will help with the treatment of covid?
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Post by moody on Oct 2, 2021 13:24:04 GMT -5
No, sounds like being Black in America. You must comply! -- Wear your hair the 'white' way to meet ambiguous dress code otherwise, you're not welcome in my restaurant. You aren't allowed to go to school with NATURAL hair if you're Black. You want a better chance at getting a job? Give your kid an anglo name. Want to shop freely with less harassment from security and being followed around the store? Conform to the standards and make yourself appear 'less Black'. See how that works? Both statements are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Except yours is even more distasteful given the cost of life. There are a couple of ironies with your post. What you described with Black America is what moody is saying. Unless you do things MY specific way you should not be an active part of society. Also that's what BLM in New York is protesting. That the mandates in NYC are systemically racist. I personally don't agree with their argument but it's out there to be accepted or rejected. And since I'm here... 10% is a decently significant number. This brouhaha started because someone posted good news regarding covid treatment and I responded positively. Moody made a PSA/ manifesto announcement about what is necessary to be an active member of society. I then went to my Zumba class and came home to this. Can we at least ALL be happy that there could be a drug that will help with the treatment of covid? STOP EFFING MAKING THIS ABOUT RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to be an active member of society then do the bare minimum required. Get vaccinated from a disease that has killed over 700,000 Americans of all races.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 2, 2021 13:36:44 GMT -5
There are a couple of ironies with your post. What you described with Black America is what moody is saying. Unless you do things MY specific way you should not be an active part of society. Also that's what BLM in New York is protesting. That the mandates in NYC are systemically racist. I personally don't agree with their argument but it's out there to be accepted or rejected. And since I'm here... 10% is a decently significant number. This brouhaha started because someone posted good news regarding covid treatment and I responded positively. Moody made a PSA/ manifesto announcement about what is necessary to be an active member of society. I then went to my Zumba class and came home to this. Can we at least ALL be happy that there could be a drug that will help with the treatment of covid? STOP EFFING MAKING THIS ABOUT RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to be an active member of society then do the bare minimum required. Get vaccinated from a disease that has killed over 700,000 Americans of all races. Stop making this about YOU. The vaccine isn't a requirement...yet. I can comment if someone makes what I think is an ironic statement. Nothing that I said about BLM in NYC is untrue or misinformation, I even said that I didn't necessarily agree with their argument. Read a whole post and disseminate before you get all triggered. BTW... I think the bare minimum would be to wear a mask but I acknowledge that's splitting hairs.
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Post by moody on Oct 2, 2021 13:44:54 GMT -5
STOP EFFING MAKING THIS ABOUT RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to be an active member of society then do the bare minimum required. Get vaccinated from a disease that has killed over 700,000 Americans of all races. Stop making this about YOU. The vaccine isn't a requirement...yet. I can comment if someone makes what I think is an ironic statement. Nothing that I said about BLM in NYC is untrue or misinformation, I even said that I didn't necessarily agree with their argument. Read a whole post and disseminate before you get all triggered. BTW... I think the bare minimum would be to wear a mask but I acknowledge that's splitting hairs. that's all you do is split hairs and bring up things meaningless trivia. I know where BLM stands on vaccine mandates in NY. I disagree. By the way, I have never said anything about mandate requirements. No one should be required to be vaccinated. I strongly support vaccine mandates for those who want to work, go to restaurants, travel, etc.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 2, 2021 14:09:17 GMT -5
What does it mean for "Black Lives Matter" to have a position on anything? Are you referring to the social justice movement itself, or some organization somewhere?
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Post by trojansc on Oct 2, 2021 14:22:30 GMT -5
There are a couple of ironies with your post. What you described with Black America is what moody is saying. Unless you do things MY specific way you should not be an active part of society. No. It's not what moody is saying. That's a gross oversimplification. It's not equivalent at all is the point, just like comparing Nazi Germany (like we've seen here and on many right-wing media outlets) is not consistent with vaccine requirements. What I described as experiences in Black America is a part of systemic racism and racist practices that continue today. It's not equivalent to vaccine mandates. Vaccine passports are nothing new. Want to go to West Africa? Have your Yellow Fever vaccination. Want to go to Public school? Be vaccinated. Unless of course you feel like the Nazi example *is* equivalent too, then, we can just stop this conversation now as well.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 2, 2021 14:26:05 GMT -5
Why is the burden of proof on those with natural immunity? Why is the opinion under the religion of the left considered settled science? Burden of proof for what? We even know the vaccines aren't 100% effective. Neither was chicken pox though, I got that vaccine and still got chicken pox (though not as bad of a case). I said 'sounds like we don't know yet', which is probably true for a lot of things about COVID. Religion of left? What are you talking about. I'm kind of lost here. Fair enough - I guess I was taking Moody's position of taking jobs away, excluding access to things as being your position.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 2, 2021 15:12:43 GMT -5
Stop making this about YOU. The vaccine isn't a requirement...yet. I can comment if someone makes what I think is an ironic statement. Nothing that I said about BLM in NYC is untrue or misinformation, I even said that I didn't necessarily agree with their argument. Read a whole post and disseminate before you get all triggered. BTW... I think the bare minimum would be to wear a mask but I acknowledge that's splitting hairs. that's all you do is split hairs and bring up things meaningless trivia. I know where BLM stands on vaccine mandates in NY. I disagree. By the way, I have never said anything about mandate requirements. No one should be required to be vaccinated. I strongly support vaccine mandates for those who want to work, go to restaurants, travel, etc. And to be an active part of society correct? Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Get vaccinated or you don't get to be an active member of society.You more than strongly support it... you demand it.
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