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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jun 29, 2020 12:35:37 GMT -5
Jordan is a sub .200 hitter. She is a threat from the service line but not on the outside. Last year against Hawaii, she received the most sets for WVU and hit negative .032. Passing is important for Poly because it will give DeNecochea more options but the options outside of Dvoracek are pedestrian. The end result is an unbalanced with Dvoracek receiving the majority of sets. Jordan has some consistency issues but are we acting like West Virginia has a good supporting cast? Jordan put up 19 kills on a decent % against Baylor in one of the last games of the season. She should be able to score more effectively for Poly than at WVU So we are now judging a player based on the results of one match? Didn’t I mention She hit negative .032 against Hawaii last season ( and actual conference opponent. College career wise, she is a sub .200 hitter.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 29, 2020 12:39:46 GMT -5
Jordan has some consistency issues but are we acting like West Virginia has a good supporting cast? Jordan put up 19 kills on a decent % against Baylor in one of the last games of the season. She should be able to score more effectively for Poly than at WVU So we are now judging a player based on the results of one match? She hit negative .032 against Hawaii last season. I’m more willing to judge a player by their performance by the end of the season than beginning, particularly if they are playing a new position. (Jordan was a MB in 2018) I’m not selling her based on 1 performance against Baylor (she also hit negative against the Bears in Waco). But, if you can put up 19 kills against a Final Four team, I think you have a good chance to succeed in the Big West where she will NOT be the primary hitter on Cal Poly.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jun 29, 2020 12:47:16 GMT -5
So we are now judging a player based on the results of one match? She hit negative .032 against Hawaii last season. I’m more willing to judge a player by their performance by the end of the season than beginning, particularly if they are playing a new position. (Jordan was a MB in 2018) I’m not selling her based on 1 performance against Baylor (she also hit negative against the Bears in Waco). But, if you can put up 19 kills against a Final Four team, I think you have a good chance to succeed in the Big West where she will NOT be the primary hitter on Cal Poly. You’ve already given 2 excuses for her: lack of a supporting cast and change of position. Waiting on excuse #3. 😂. Jordan is a good server. Bad passer, pedestrian OH.
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Post by haw2991 on Jun 29, 2020 12:48:57 GMT -5
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Post by trojansc on Jun 29, 2020 12:52:06 GMT -5
I’m more willing to judge a player by their performance by the end of the season than beginning, particularly if they are playing a new position. (Jordan was a MB in 2018) I’m not selling her based on 1 performance against Baylor (she also hit negative against the Bears in Waco). But, if you can put up 19 kills against a Final Four team, I think you have a good chance to succeed in the Big West where she will NOT be the primary hitter on Cal Poly. You’ve already given 2 excuses for her: lack of a supporting cast and change of position. Waiting on excuse #3. 😂 Excuse? Arguing she is going to have a better chance to succeed at Poly than at WVU is something you would disagree with?
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Post by trojansc on Jun 29, 2020 12:53:38 GMT -5
How many players put up 30 kills against anyone (even if it is San Diego State)? That’s pedestrian?
Also, how many players put 20 kills up against Baylor last year? Very very few.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jun 29, 2020 12:56:25 GMT -5
You’ve already given 2 excuses for her: lack of a supporting cast and change of position. Waiting on excuse #3. 😂 Excuse? Arguing she is going to have a better chance to succeed at Poly than at WVU is something you would disagree with? Better chance to succeed that is based on factors that is not directly related to a player’s volleyball skill level (lesser conference, better supporting cast).
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jun 29, 2020 12:57:35 GMT -5
How many players put up 30 kills against anyone (even if it is San Diego State)? That’s pedestrian? Also, how many players put 20 kills up against Baylor last year? Very very few. .172 kill percentage last season.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 29, 2020 12:58:32 GMT -5
Excuse? Arguing she is going to have a better chance to succeed at Poly than at WVU is something you would disagree with? Better chance to succeed that is based on factors that is not directly related to a player’s volleyball skill level (lesser conference, better supporting cast). So now my “excuse” has turned into something you’d agree with? Interesting!
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Post by noblesol on Jun 29, 2020 12:59:50 GMT -5
XXX has to block, pass, serve, dig, and set. They do that well, and they win the YYY 🤣 Just because you don’t know teams’ potential weaknesses doesn’t mean you have to try to discredit those who do. Lol. Poly’s got Jordan and Dvoracek to score on the pins and the top notch DeNecochea. Those are great for the 2nd and 3rd contacts, but who’s got the first? Also, UCR could block, pass, serve, dig, and set as high as their ceiling could go and they still won’t win the Big West. Sorry, didn't realize you weren't joking that all Cal Poly needed was better passing and the BW is theirs. Ok then, it's agreed that Cal Poly will need to pass well and neither Jordan nor Dvoracek have a hx of passing well, and no one else in their back row stands out. It's an obvious team weakness that they'll hope to address. But, given the weaknesses of many of the other BW teams, they shouldn't need more than average passing to compete for the title. But, they still won't be the favorites to win the title. Last year they had conference losses to Long Beach, UCSB, and Hawai'i. Jordan makes them marginally better, but Jordan isn't a player they can lean on to carry them. Jordan couldn't carry West Virginia, and against Hawai'i she didn't hit above the Mendoza line. And that was with Rasmussen out for half the match.
Hawai'i will need to break in two new setters in the non-conference, so things could be up and down early. They'll miss Iosia's serving. But expect by conference play, the new setters will start to hit their groove. Both bring some talent to the gym. And, they'll have lots of scoring weapons. Blocking, passing, and digging should all be pretty good. But, two or three losses in conference isn't out of the question.
Long Beach looks like the wild card. When good, they'll be very good. But consistency has been their hobgoblin and looks to continue to be. That may have to do with the coaching as much as the players. And this doesn't look like their year. But, they'll be a threat to win any match that they can put three good consistent sets together.
UC Davis may surprise as well. They are well coached, and it seems every year they put enough together to be a threat to catch one of the top three napping. But, once again, they'll lack consistent passing and setting, and they'll be one scoring middle and outside hitter short of being a top threat.
UC Irvine looks to improve on last year, but improving won't get them a title. They were snake bit last year with injuries, and one promising talent in the middle is about all they carry forward into this year that is a known all conference type player.
UCSB lost a lot last from last year. Most all of their passing and their best setter, gone. Oh, and that L.Ruddins girl too. Lots to replace. But, it's a good program and I expect they'll put something together that can compete. Just no title for them this year.
All the rest, well, I expect they'll have their ups and downs, but at the end of the season, we'll find them near the bottom of the standings.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jun 29, 2020 13:00:20 GMT -5
Better chance to succeed that is based on factors that is not directly related to a player’s volleyball skill level (lesser conference, better supporting cast). So now my “excuse” has turned into something you’d agree with? Interesting! I still don’t agree with your excuse.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 29, 2020 13:07:39 GMT -5
So now my “excuse” has turned into something you’d agree with? Interesting! I still don’t agree with your excuse. I still don’t understand what I was “excusing”? I never said Jordan was an elite OH or that she would dominate. But, I do think her and Dvoracek will provide plenty offense on the pins, particularly in the Big West. We will see this Fall ( if we have a season).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 13:08:44 GMT -5
Beach's OOC schedule is tough. If they have a good preseason, they can make the tournament without necessarily winning the conference.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 29, 2020 13:18:03 GMT -5
UC Davis lacks consistent setting? I thought Jane Seslar is a fantastic setter. She’s shorter, but she sets a pretty solid offense?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jun 29, 2020 13:25:37 GMT -5
I still don’t agree with your excuse. I still don’t understand what I was “excusing”? I never said Jordan was an elite OH or that she would dominate. But, I do think her and Dvoracek will provide plenty offense on the pins, particularly in the Big West. We will see this Fall ( if we have a season). Yes. We will see this fall that I was right and you were wrong.
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