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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 13:27:36 GMT -5
So we are now judging a player based on the results of one match? She hit negative .032 against Hawaii last season. I’m more willing to judge a player by their performance by the end of the season than beginning, particularly if they are playing a new position. (Jordan was a MB in 2018) I’m not selling her based on 1 performance against Baylor (she also hit negative against the Bears in Waco). But, if you can put up 19 kills against a Final Four team, I think you have a good chance to succeed in the Big West where she will NOT be the primary hitter on Cal Poly. I agree that she has the talent to at least make the block think about her and not just shade to Maia EVERY time. If she can be more consistent she can be a threat and really help cal poly
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 13:32:48 GMT -5
For Fullerton, lack of height, especially on the pins. I don't see any way they can slow down the better hitters in the conference and they'll really struggle with the bigger blocks.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 29, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -5
UC Davis lacks consistent setting? I thought Jane Seslar is a fantastic setter. She’s shorter, but she sets a pretty solid offense? They lacked consistent 'passing and setting'. When the passing was good, Seslar was good, and UC Davis could be a force, for a set or two. When the passing went south, so did sets, and hitter adjustment, and patience. Out of system play wasn't a consistent UC Davis strength. Seslar doesn't get all the blame IMO, but she wasn't enough to make up for what they lacked elsewhere.
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Post by thebeach1 on Jun 29, 2020 14:12:35 GMT -5
Beach's OOC schedule is tough. If they have a good preseason, they can make the tournament without necessarily winning the conference. Hey! Could you post LB's OOC schedule? Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 14:15:38 GMT -5
Beach's OOC schedule is tough. If they have a good preseason, they can make the tournament without necessarily winning the conference. Hey! Could you post LB's OOC schedule? Thank you! I don't think the revised schedule is public yet. But Beach fans are gonna be cheering on some Pac-12 schools this year!
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Post by thebeach1 on Jun 29, 2020 14:19:14 GMT -5
Hey! Could you post LB's OOC schedule? Thank you! I don't think the revised schedule is public yet. But Beach fans are gonna be cheering on some Pac-12 schools this year! Thanks. I'm sure that the schedule will be released in a few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 14:22:26 GMT -5
I don't think the revised schedule is public yet. But Beach fans are gonna be cheering on some Pac-12 schools this year! Thanks. I'm sure that the schedule will be released in a few weeks. I suspect less than that. As far as I understand, it's been finalized. Considering the circumstances, I think it'll be a great test for this roster. If they do well, it's strong enough to get them into the tournament.
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Post by medusa on Jun 29, 2020 19:54:56 GMT -5
UH will be the one to beat in conference 2020.....OH YEA!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 20:21:04 GMT -5
UH will be the one to beat in conference 2020.....OH YEA! Ball control will be their issue in 2020. I'm confident RAM will get Lang on track. Hawaii only have one OH on their roster that passed over 50% good pass percentage in 2019 (BVS at 50.8%) and no proven libero. Consider that Tita Akiu passed a 66.3% in her senior season - UH needs better than >50%.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 29, 2020 21:17:54 GMT -5
UH will be the one to beat in conference 2020.....OH YEA! Ball control will be their issue in 2020. I'm confident RAM will get Lang on track. Hawaii only have one OH on their roster that passed over 50% good pass percentage in 2019 (BVS at 50.8%) and no proven libero. Consider that Tita Akiu passed a 66.3% in her senior season - UH needs better than >50%. Well, Akiu was amazing. With her, they went to a 2-person serve receive formation, and even at that she took up most of the backcourt and didn't hesitate to poach.
As for Volleymetrics, I'm sure it's a great tool, but consider that it relies on the user to provide context. Here is some context: Hawai'i didn't start a libero for nine games at home to start the season, and subbed in Okino at Libero sparingly. Hawai'i in that stretch went 9-0 and took down San Diego, St. John's, Washington, Denver, and UCLA, all NCAA tournament teams. Rasmussen went down in game #7 against West Virginia and didn't return until playoffs. Ross was injured the first few weeks but was available when Rasmussen went down. But Ross had never had consistent play time and wasn't sharp in the back row until near the end of the season. Eventually Wagoner departed the starting rotation mid-season due to low hitting% and Iosia played six rotations instead, with three rotations in the front primarily as the RS hitter. At that point Okino, in her last year and finally getting to play libero, had greatly improved her confidence and was getting to start for the first time in her career. About mid-season, Van Sickle went out with a bum knee and didn't recover from that for a few weeks. All that, and with only Van Sickle getting a modestly high season good passing%, and they made it to the sweet sixteen. Imagine what they'll do if they can get more than just Van Sickle to good pass for greater than 50%.
Now, ball control is always an issue, and at times it did hurt Hawai'i. Their roster this year looks much like last year did at the start, except for the setting. And, like last year, they'll begin the season with an unproven Libero. But, like last year, she may not start. Ah Mow will use unconventional lineups to get the most of her talent. And, she is quick to sub in a new OH or DS/lib if they are losing the team points on first contact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 21:46:00 GMT -5
Ball control will be their issue in 2020. I'm confident RAM will get Lang on track. Hawaii only have one OH on their roster that passed over 50% good pass percentage in 2019 (BVS at 50.8%) and no proven libero. Consider that Tita Akiu passed a 66.3% in her senior season - UH needs better than >50%. Well, Akiu was amazing. With her, they went to a 2-person serve receive formation, and even at that she took up most of the backcourt and didn't hesitate to poach.
As for Volleymetrics, I'm sure it's a great tool, but consider that it relies on the user to provide context. Here is some context: Hawai'i didn't start a libero for nine games at home to start the season, and subbed in Okino at Libero sparingly. Hawai'i in that stretch went 9-0 and took down San Diego, St. John's, Washington, Denver, and UCLA, all NCAA tournament teams. Rasmussen went down in game #7 against West Virginia and didn't return until playoffs. Ross was injured the first few weeks but was available when Rasmussen went down. But Ross had never had consistent play time and wasn't sharp in the back row until near the end of the season. Eventually Wagoner departed the starting rotation mid-season due to low hitting% and Iosia played six rotations instead, with three rotations in the front primarily as the RS hitter. At that point Okino, in her last year and finally getting to play libero, had greatly improved her confidence and was getting to start for the first time in her career. About mid-season, Van Sickle went out with a bum knee and didn't recover from that for a few weeks. All that, and with only Van Sickle getting a modestly high season good passing%, and they made it to the sweet sixteen. Imagine what they'll do if they can get more than just Van Sickle to good pass for greater than 50%.
Now, ball control is always an issue, and at times it did hurt Hawai'i. Their roster this year looks much like last year did at the start, except for the setting. And, like last year, they'll begin the season with an unproven Libero. But, like last year, she may not start. Ah Mow will use unconventional lineups to get the most of her talent. And, she is quick to sub in a new OH or DS/lib if they are losing the team points on first contact.
Context? Do you think VM is just data? It contains coded game film of every match. I've seen every pass UH made in 2019 multiple times. I actually like Hanawahine more than most seem to. I think she's the most likely libero. Ross was Hawaii's best passer in 2019 and was underrated by Hawaii fans. Looking ahead, I still think UH will have enough to outlast Poly and Beach. JR, Helvig and BVS are the best trio in the conference but ball control is a question and, whereas in 2019, the Wahine had experienced setters who could poor passing, that won't be the case in 2020.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 29, 2020 23:12:14 GMT -5
Well, Akiu was amazing. With her, they went to a 2-person serve receive formation, and even at that she took up most of the backcourt and didn't hesitate to poach.
As for Volleymetrics, I'm sure it's a great tool, but consider that it relies on the user to provide context. Here is some context: Hawai'i didn't start a libero for nine games at home to start the season, and subbed in Okino at Libero sparingly. Hawai'i in that stretch went 9-0 and took down San Diego, St. John's, Washington, Denver, and UCLA, all NCAA tournament teams. Rasmussen went down in game #7 against West Virginia and didn't return until playoffs. Ross was injured the first few weeks but was available when Rasmussen went down. But Ross had never had consistent play time and wasn't sharp in the back row until near the end of the season. Eventually Wagoner departed the starting rotation mid-season due to low hitting% and Iosia played six rotations instead, with three rotations in the front primarily as the RS hitter. At that point Okino, in her last year and finally getting to play libero, had greatly improved her confidence and was getting to start for the first time in her career. About mid-season, Van Sickle went out with a bum knee and didn't recover from that for a few weeks. All that, and with only Van Sickle getting a modestly high season good passing%, and they made it to the sweet sixteen. Imagine what they'll do if they can get more than just Van Sickle to good pass for greater than 50%.
Now, ball control is always an issue, and at times it did hurt Hawai'i. Their roster this year looks much like last year did at the start, except for the setting. And, like last year, they'll begin the season with an unproven Libero. But, like last year, she may not start. Ah Mow will use unconventional lineups to get the most of her talent. And, she is quick to sub in a new OH or DS/lib if they are losing the team points on first contact.
Context? Do you think VM is just data? It contains coded game film of every match. I've seen every pass UH made in 2019 multiple times. I actually like Hanawahine more than most seem to. I think she's the most likely libero. Ross was Hawaii's best passer in 2019 and was underrated by Hawaii fans. Looking ahead, I still think UH will have enough to outlast Poly and Beach. JR, Helvig and BVS are the best trio in the conference but ball control is a question and, whereas in 2019, the Wahine had experienced setters who could poor passing, that won't be the case in 2020. Unless VM has an AI providing context, than yes, it is all just data. One has to be careful not to lose sight of the forest for the trees, to not lose context when examining any one or few of a fire hose of data points. Data is sometimes wrong, sometimes not relevant, or just not of value to the decision point to be made. And, more data is not necessarily better, especially when context isn't applied. Data can only guide, not decide. Back to the BW. Hawaii's new setters won't pick up where Iosia and Choy left off, agreed. They'll need court time to settle in, so I expect some up and down in the pre-conference. But Hawai'i did as well as it did last season with passing such as it was, because they could attack and get a good swing from all over the floor. And, they could block and rally, they were patient. And toward the end of the season, their serving picked up. It wasn't just Iosia putting on pressure from the line. Even Igeide got in on it, serving tough and in. At libero this season, Hanawahine likely puts on the jersey, and I'm confident she'll be ok. I watched her play libero in the spring last year against Texas, and she did great. Okino beat her out for the libero jersey last season, but it wasn't by much. With a few games under her, I expect her to make a believer of everyone. If not, Ah Mow doesn't need to start a libero with the lineup options she has. That means a very unconventional lineup. What Hawai'i did last year with the no libero system was so unconventional many still don't know how to look at the stats it generated in context to the success it achieved.
As for Ross, I was always a big fan, and no Hawai'i fan I knew failed to appreciate her. But, her passing sometimes went south and she never successfully filled the role of a DS. But, Shoji gave her shot at OH and she flourished there as a spot reliever, keeping that role for three years as well as a sometimes DS. Finally as a senior she got to start at OH for Ah Mow, and she never let go. Her passing still could go south as well as her serving, up until about mid-season when she started to greatly improve in the back court. Until the last half of conference, Ah Mow would sometimes sub Wagoner or Hanawahine to serve or play back row for her.
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Post by staticb on Jun 29, 2020 23:50:04 GMT -5
I agree we'll be fine at setter. It's not like we run a super quick or overly complex offense. Worst case scenario we set a lot of high balls to the outside--we have two excellent out of system pin hitters that can still get us by most of the opponents on our schedule this way.
I agree serve-receive will be the biggest question mark going in. For once we know we have hitters! The first season in a long time I'm confident in all of the hitters we have coming back!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 1:38:39 GMT -5
Context? Do you think VM is just data? It contains coded game film of every match. I've seen every pass UH made in 2019 multiple times. I actually like Hanawahine more than most seem to. I think she's the most likely libero. Ross was Hawaii's best passer in 2019 and was underrated by Hawaii fans. Looking ahead, I still think UH will have enough to outlast Poly and Beach. JR, Helvig and BVS are the best trio in the conference but ball control is a question and, whereas in 2019, the Wahine had experienced setters who could poor passing, that won't be the case in 2020. Unless VM has an AI providing context, than yes, it is all just data. One has to be careful not to lose sight of the forest for the trees, to not lose context when examining any one or few of a fire hose of data points. Data is sometimes wrong, sometimes not relevant, or just not of value to the decision point to be made. And, more data is not necessarily better, especially when context isn't applied. Data can only guide, not decide. As I've stated, VM has the game film recorded from the end line and each match is coded, so you can pull up each touch as it corresponds to the statistics. This is what some posters seem reluctant to accept; the data is generated by what happens in the matches. By using both the data and the game film we are afforded far more context than you'll get from the live stream or tv coverage. So that is my context. What extra context do you have, besides what you watch on TV and your opinions? What context can you give me, for example, on JR as a passer throughout her career? The 119 passes she made this year. The 202 for Oregon in 2017, last time she passed a significant number...
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Post by vtnewb on Jun 30, 2020 3:02:42 GMT -5
I agree we'll be fine at setter. It's not like we run a super quick or overly complex offense. Worst case scenario we set a lot of high balls to the outside--we have two excellent out of system pin hitters that can still get us by most of the opponents on our schedule this way. I agree serve-receive will be the biggest question mark going in. For once we know we have hitters! The first season in a long time I'm confident in all of the hitters we have coming ba Not so sure you can ignore the change in setting that easily. There’s not much but from the one match that I found posted on Lang she unfortunately was too comfortable setting with her platform rather than getting her feet to the ball. With the attackers she was setting to in club she could get away with that a little more. With the struggle on first contact she will have trouble getting her middles involved similar to last year. Only found highlights on Byrd so never could get a good idea on foot speed but not sure she has it. First contact needs to improve.
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