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Post by hwnstunner on Apr 6, 2020 16:52:05 GMT -5
Whose going to pass for us? We really need another elite passer to be a final 4 contender. Another good passer and there is also less worry about our setting. Our offense will keep it simple and let the hitters make plays so I'm actually not too worried about the position. Worst case scenario, throw up more moon balls. Oh, FF is the goal? That's bold. I'm not saying they can't, but if they do I think they'll have to be road (rainbow) warriors. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I don't see a route for UH to get a top 10 seed in the tournament. I’m pretty sure that’s THEIR goal as a team. And many Hawaii fans would hope for the same thing. I don’t think teams with a realistic shot at the NCAAs say, “We just want to make the Elite 8”. So yeah, the goal for this team should be the Final 4.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 17:29:31 GMT -5
Oh, FF is the goal? That's bold. I'm not saying they can't, but if they do I think they'll have to be road (rainbow) warriors. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I don't see a route for UH to get a top 10 seed in the tournament. I’m pretty sure that’s THEIR goal as a team. And many Hawaii fans would hope for the same thing. I don’t think teams with a realistic shot at the NCAAs say, “We just want to make the Elite 8”. So yeah, the goal for this team should be Final 4. Of course. I was on two calls last week with members of programs that didn't make a FF this year but both said that the goal was winning a national championship next year. Of course they say that. But that's why I phrased the question "What would you be disappointed by if you did NOT achieve it?" To Hawaii specifically, with the watering down of the Big West, the projected drop by UCSB and the likely learning curve for an offense which will have at least one if not two new setters in 2020 & as things stand, may only have 2 weeks between report date and the first match, I wouldn't bet on Hawaii securing a top 10 seed. Again, I know that opinion won't be popular but there's an ocean of difference between saying "we'd LIKE to make the Final Four" and "we EXPECT to make the Final Four". Would Hawaii fans really be disappointed by another Sweet Sixteen? Maybe a closer one this time? Given what will likely be a weaker BWC resulting in a lower seed, that doesn't seem an unrealistic expectation.
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Post by hwnstunner on Apr 6, 2020 18:30:50 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure that’s THEIR goal as a team. And many Hawaii fans would hope for the same thing. I don’t think teams with a realistic shot at the NCAAs say, “We just want to make the Elite 8”. So yeah, the goal for this team should be Final 4. Of course. I was on two calls last week with members of programs that didn't make a FF this year but both said that the goal was winning a national championship next year. Of course they say that. But that's why I phrased the question "What would you be disappointed by if you did NOT achieve it?" To Hawaii specifically, with the watering down of the Big West, the projected drop by UCSB and the likely learning curve for an offense which will have at least one if not two new setters in 2020 & as things stand, may only have 2 weeks between report date and the first match, I wouldn't bet on Hawaii securing a top 10 seed. Again, I know that opinion won't be popular but there's an ocean of difference between saying "we'd LIKE to make the Final Four" and "we EXPECT to make the Final Four". Would Hawaii fans really be disappointed by another Sweet Sixteen? Maybe a closer one this time? Given what will likely be a weaker BWC resulting in a lower seed, that doesn't seem an unrealistic expectation. Look I get “you’re in the know” I think we all have experienced you dropping your stats, insider info and what not. Good for you. But if you’re gonna open up an open Ended discussion amongst fans for our opinions, just to disapprove, what’s the point? 🙄
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Post by beachgrad on Apr 6, 2020 18:35:15 GMT -5
What is everyone’s thoughts on UCI? The program had some momentum going and then had an awful season last year and lost some good players to transfer this off season. I really like their freshman middle Ofoegbu and she should be one of the best middles in the conference with the proper coaching and strength conditioning. Probably has the most upside of all the middles in the conference and that includes Hawaii’s young middle.
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Post by beachgrad on Apr 6, 2020 18:47:37 GMT -5
I think Hawaii fans, like all fans, expect too much and always over estimate their teams success,I know I do it every year. I believe most Hawaii fans want to build on last seasons success and that means a better finish than just getting out of the first weekend. However, I agree with bwf2 that Hawaii probably will not get as high a seed this upcoming season which means a tougher road. Going through a national seed on their home floor is a tough task for an opening weekend. Just ask San Diego when they had to play Hawaii at their place in the second round.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 19:00:42 GMT -5
Of course. I was on two calls last week with members of programs that didn't make a FF this year but both said that the goal was winning a national championship next year. Of course they say that. But that's why I phrased the question "What would you be disappointed by if you did NOT achieve it?" To Hawaii specifically, with the watering down of the Big West, the projected drop by UCSB and the likely learning curve for an offense which will have at least one if not two new setters in 2020 & as things stand, may only have 2 weeks between report date and the first match, I wouldn't bet on Hawaii securing a top 10 seed. Again, I know that opinion won't be popular but there's an ocean of difference between saying "we'd LIKE to make the Final Four" and "we EXPECT to make the Final Four". Would Hawaii fans really be disappointed by another Sweet Sixteen? Maybe a closer one this time? Given what will likely be a weaker BWC resulting in a lower seed, that doesn't seem an unrealistic expectation. Look I get “you’re in the know” I think we all have experienced you dropping your stats, insider info and what not. Good for you. But if you’re gonna open up an open Ended discussion amongst fans for our opinions, just to disapprove, what’s the point? 🙄 Asked a genuine question... Would you be disappointed with a Sweet Sixteen appearance that went to 5 sets? Do you see a realistic possibility of a top 10 seed if only one other BW program has an RPI of top 50 and Hawaii won't have Spring to install a new setter into the offense? I'm sure Coach Rob is telling her athletes that they're preparing for the FF right now. Saying things like 'Win the day, win the quarantine'. It's the same 'coach speak' as always with a coat of paint on. I was just interested what fans were realistically expecting.
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Post by hwnstunner on Apr 6, 2020 21:39:00 GMT -5
Look I get “you’re in the know” I think we all have experienced you dropping your stats, insider info and what not. Good for you. But if you’re gonna open up an open Ended discussion amongst fans for our opinions, just to disapprove, what’s the point? 🙄 Asked a genuine question... Would you be disappointed with a Sweet Sixteen appearance that went to 5 sets? Do you see a realistic possibility of a top 10 seed if only one other BW program has an RPI of top 50 and Hawaii won't have Spring to install a new setter into the offense? I'm sure Coach Rob is telling her athletes that they're preparing for the FF right now. Saying things like 'Win the day, win the quarantine'. It's the same 'coach speak' as always with a coat of paint on. I was just interested what fans were realistically expecting. Realistic based on OUR opinion or YOUR opinion??? I've seen how conversations go with you and other posters on this board. I'll save myself time.
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Post by StuffU on Apr 6, 2020 21:52:37 GMT -5
Hawaii also lost their two best servers in Iosia and Choy. As a Hawaii fan, I'm really hoping the service game improves for all the returners. If they can set up the block behind a tough service game, it would sure make the remaining weaknesses less of a hurdle.
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Post by brooselee on Apr 6, 2020 22:30:55 GMT -5
Hawaii also lost their two best servers in Iosia and Choy. As a Hawaii fan, I'm really hoping the service game improves for all the returners. If they can set up the block behind a tough service game, it would sure make the remaining weaknesses less of a hurdle. Especially Riley Wagoner. If she wants to play, she is going to have to get rid of that lollipop flat footed serve and either put some umph or spin into her serves. Her serves were guaranteed points for the opponents. Kyra has a good serve. Robyn need to use her more.
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Post by goblin on Apr 6, 2020 23:31:37 GMT -5
Losing Noreen, Bailey and Okino are huge losses. Noreen was a big time playmaker and Bailey was a good setter. Okino took her lumps early but cane around when it mattered. I hope we can replace their game production. They’ll be missed for sure.
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Post by noblesol on Apr 7, 2020 1:49:11 GMT -5
Top Leaders set aspirational goals that fall within the realm of the possible, not necessarily the likely. They are visionary goals, that can play out over time. Aspirational goals are what is deemed achievable by the Leader over the long haul with hard work, some luck, and maybe a little magic. Aspirational goals may not look realistic or even worthy of much discussion. But most find aspirational goals to be the ones that they'll harbor deep in their hearts, and that will motivate them the most to achieve greatness when dealing with the pains of each day.
Short term goals tend to live within the constraints of time, resources, available opportunities, and what you can control right now. Most refer to short term goals as their 'realistic' goals. You can only have 24 hours in a day, you can only accomplish so much over the course of a week, you are limited today by the short term resources available to you today, you are limited by the near term opportunities available to achieve change, you may have to set your sails to get through the short term stormy seas beyond your control.
But if you can successfully navigate your way through from day to day, string enough realistic goals together, building one on the other, and catch a break and exceed some key few, you may achieve your aspirational goals.
At the beginning of a season, achieving a Final Four appearance is an aspirational goal for any Div-1 WVB team. For maybe one team, at most a few, a top four tournament hosting bid may fall into their 'realistic' bucket. But I doubt many would admit to even that.
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Post by hwnstunner on Apr 7, 2020 2:02:53 GMT -5
Let's not make this a Hawaii thread.
Back to UCI, they had a golden year Kekauoha's senior year in 2018. She had Koumelis, Akpakpa, DeSales as fellow seniors and Wolfe, Carter. But that team was hit with injuries big time. Felt that was UCI's money year.
For next season, I'm not sure who they have coming in, but losing Marjama as huge. A healthy Carter is a great piece to build around, and Ofoegbu has a lot of potential, but really struggled in consistency last year. At times she was stellar, other times she look like a horse trying to find her legs. Other than those two, not sure who else UCI brings to the table.
Its unfortunate that every year, some of the BWC's best players transfer out...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 2:08:24 GMT -5
Hawaii also lost their two best servers in Iosia and Choy. As a Hawaii fan, I'm really hoping the service game improves for all the returners. If they can set up the block behind a tough service game, it would sure make the remaining weaknesses less of a hurdle. Especially Riley Wagoner. If she wants to play, she is going to have to get rid of that lollipop flat footed serve and either put some umph or spin into her serves. Her serves were guaranteed points for the opponents. Kyra has a good serve. Robyn need to use her more. You're quite right about Wagoner. Opponents had a good pass against her serve 60.2% of the time. 10% above the average on the team. However Hanawahine was almost as bad at 58.8%. Likewise Choi was below average at 52.8%. The lower the better and the higher, the easier it was passed by opponents. The toughest serves on the roster belonged to BvS (40.4%), Helvig (39.7%) and Rasmussen (36.6%). Iosia was solid at 44.4% and her TS serve gave opposing passers something different to think about but Okino and Ross both had comparatively weak serves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 2:17:17 GMT -5
Let's not make this a Hawaii thread. Back to UCI, they had a golden year Kekauoha's senior year in 2018. She had Koumelis, Akpakpa, DeSales as fellow seniors and Wolfe, Carter. But that team was hit with injuries big time. Felt that was UCI's money year. For next season, I'm not sure who they have coming in, but losing Marjama as huge. A healthy Carter is a great piece to build around, and Ofoegbu has a lot of potential, but really struggled in consistency last year. At times she was stellar, other times she look like a horse trying to find her legs. Other than those two, not sure who else UCI brings to the table. Its unfortunate that every year, some of the BWC's best players transfer out... It's a pity for Irvine but Marjama hit .080 in 2019 and .142 in 2018. She had a combined error and block rate of 21% on just swings this year - the worst of any hitter in the conference with over 500 swings. She has gone to Alabama to play. She hasn't ever been one of the best players in the BWC.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 7, 2020 2:25:35 GMT -5
Especially Riley Wagoner. If she wants to play, she is going to have to get rid of that lollipop flat footed serve and either put some umph or spin into her serves. Her serves were guaranteed points for the opponents. Kyra has a good serve. Robyn need to use her more. You're quite right about Wagoner. Opponents had a good pass against her serve 60.2% of the time. 10% above the average on the team. However Hanawahine was almost as bad at 58.8%. Likewise Choi was below average at 52.8%. The lower the better and the higher, the easier it was passed by opponents. The toughest serves on the roster belonged to BvS (40.4%), Helvig (39.7%) and Rasmussen (36.6%). Iosia was solid at 44.4% and her TS serve gave opposing passers something different to think about but Okino and Ross both had comparatively weak serves. Geez based on Rasmussen stats on all these metrics like block touch, serve etc, she seemed a shoe in for first team AA. Pity she got injured
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