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Post by c4ndlelight on May 28, 2020 21:12:25 GMT -5
I swear, people do not understand volleyball. When will people learn that ball control is the number 1 skill required at the next level for an OH? I do not agree with this statement. Ability to kill the ball is more important. Every team just needs to make sure they have a composition that can pass well enough. I think it's likely that Plak and Bajema will compete for the same spot (and Plak is inconsistent enough Bajema will likely play quite a lot).
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:21:46 GMT -5
I swear, people do not understand volleyball. When will people learn that ball control is the number 1 skill required at the next level for an OH? I do not agree with this statement. Ability to kill the ball is more important. Every team just needs to make sure they have a composition that can pass well enough. I think it's likely that Plak and Bajema will compete for the same spot (and Plak is inconsistent enough Bajema will likely play quite a lot). I agree with the previous posters but christ, no need to be such an ass about it. Bajema packs a punch in her swing and I believe could do well in the pro circuit. She wasn't the best passer, got it. Plak cannot pass either. My original post came out of their offensive nature. Both of those players (while one is proven professionally) are terminal outsides. I could see Plak getting time on the right, something I saw experimented with the Netherland's NT. So we'll see. But I do agree with reach, a passing outside is more valuable than a terminal one professional, the OPP is paid for her offense, but I guess if you aren't going to have the best of passers, have them pound it in OOS.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 28, 2020 21:27:08 GMT -5
I do not agree with this statement. Ability to kill the ball is more important. Every team just needs to make sure they have a composition that can pass well enough. I think it's likely that Plak and Bajema will compete for the same spot (and Plak is inconsistent enough Bajema will likely play quite a lot). I agree with the previous posters but christ, no need to be such an ass about it. Bajema packs a punch in her swing and I believe could do well in the pro circuit. She wasn't the best passer, got it. Plak cannot pass either. My original post came out of their offensive nature. Both of those players (while one is proven professionally) are terminal outsides. I could see Plak getting time on the right, something I saw experimented with the Netherland's NT. So we'll see. But I do agree with reach, a passing outside is more valuable than a terminal one professional, the OPP is paid for her offense, but I guess if you aren't going to have the best of passers, have them pound it in OOS. You can count on one hand the opps who can terminate well enough to carry two passing outsides who can't hit, and you'll still have fingers left. There have been systems where passing outsides have been valuable, and one of the two should probably be above average, but at the end of the day a left who can kill the ball is gonna be more desirable. Bajema will certainly find a lot of success (and I wouldn't be surprised if Bajema beats out Plak by the end of the season - Plak seems to be declining and was never consistent to begin with). If that link is correct on transfers, I think Rosamaria holds onto the opp spot. I like her game quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:46:03 GMT -5
You can count on one hand the opps who can terminate well enough to carry two passing outsides who can't hit, and you'll still have fingers left. There have been systems where passing outsides have been valuable, and one of the two should probably be above average, but at the end of the day a left who can kill the ball is gonna be more desirable. Bajema will certainly find a lot of success (and I wouldn't be surprised if Bajema beats out Plak by the end of the season - Plak seems to be declining and was never consistent to begin with). If that link is correct on transfers, I think Rosamaria holds onto the opp spot. I like her game quite a bit. I think Plak will find the court one way or another, it may force Bajema to hone in on the receive aspect. But I see what you're saying and yes, these outsides obviously need to be somewhat terminal, if they weren't, they'd be out a job. But I think the passing is looked at before the offense for the OH. But it can also depend on the type of system these coaches run, from the professional teams I follow closely, their OPP are their go-tos. Egonu, Boskovic, Vargas, Haak, Smarzek, Lowe, etc. Seems almost the reverse of NCAA play, go to the OH as little as possible and the OPP as much you can. But if both Plak and Bajema were to be the same team next season and the pass struggles, the pins will just need to be very good at OOS balls.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 28, 2020 21:53:29 GMT -5
You can count on one hand the opps who can terminate well enough to carry two passing outsides who can't hit, and you'll still have fingers left. There have been systems where passing outsides have been valuable, and one of the two should probably be above average, but at the end of the day a left who can kill the ball is gonna be more desirable. Bajema will certainly find a lot of success (and I wouldn't be surprised if Bajema beats out Plak by the end of the season - Plak seems to be declining and was never consistent to begin with). If that link is correct on transfers, I think Rosamaria holds onto the opp spot. I like her game quite a bit. I think Plak will find the court one way or another, it may force Bajema to hone in on the receive aspect. But I see what you're saying and yes, these outsides obviously need to be somewhat terminal, if they weren't, they'd be out a job. But I think the passing is looked at before the offense for the OH. But it can also depend on the type of system these coaches run, from the professional teams I follow closely, their OPP are their go-tos. Egonu, Boskovic, Vargas, Haak, Smarzek, Lowe, etc. Seems almost the reverse of NCAA play, go to the OH as little as possible and the OPP as much you can. But if both Plak and Bajema were to be the same team next season and the pass struggles, the pins will just need to be very good at OOS balls. If you look at the last season, Egonu plays with Sylla, Boskovic with two very terminal OHs (they can pass but that's a bonus), Vargas with Mihajlovic, Haak with Ebrar/Bartsch, Smarzek with Mitchem and some other poor passing outsides, Lowe with Herbots who is developing but not a great passer yet. Yeah the opps are the go-tos, but they still prioritize killing the ball from the left and carry passers who aren't great at the OH position because they need the offense. The teams (the successful ones at least) just make sure they have enough passing among their three primary receivers to get by.
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Post by werka on May 28, 2020 23:26:56 GMT -5
I swear, people do not understand volleyball. When will people learn that ball control is the number 1 skill required at the next level for an OH? I swear the NCAA dont make them OHs the way they did before...
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on May 28, 2020 23:27:22 GMT -5
I swear, people do not understand volleyball. When will people learn that ball control is the number 1 skill required at the next level for an OH? Maybe in the USA gym... not so much for the other countries who are winning championships. if you can terminate and pass just slightly above average rate, and couldn’t kill a ball but passed pretty solid, they’d take the person who can terminate
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Post by werka on May 28, 2020 23:31:56 GMT -5
To the UofI fans, was Bartsch’s passing bad during her collegiate days?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 0:03:46 GMT -5
I swear, people do not understand volleyball. When will people learn that ball control is the number 1 skill required at the next level for an OH? Maybe in the USA gym... not so much for the other countries who are winning championships. You beat me to it.....again...lol. This is sad but basically true. To add insult to injury....the USA fast system also neuters the opposites as well. Drews would be even more of a terminal player if she was set a higher ball. Just look at the final vs. Brazil in the 2019 VNL. She was unstoppable. I think she would be dialed down a bit more vs. the top 3 favorites (CHN,SRB,ITA) but still more effective than being set a fast low set that the USA system demands. I just hate the stupid system as I am sure you do too.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 0:06:29 GMT -5
To the UofI fans, was Bartsch’s passing bad during her collegiate days? I don't know but she has improved light-years in the past two seasons with the NT. She was the constant service target when she was at Novara due to Sansonna and Piccinini being the rest of the passing unit. She will continue to be the service target while at Vakifbank. This will only make her even better at that discipline though she will never be at the level of Larson and Robinson.
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Post by werka on May 29, 2020 0:12:46 GMT -5
I have high expectations for Bajema especially seeing her during the 2019 NCAA. Her passing was whack tbh but I think it's not a hopeless case. With sufficient passing reps and constant growth her next few years, her loaded arm can be sort of an arsenal at the left for USA. She also reminds me of Foecke and Bartsch's game.
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 29, 2020 10:25:41 GMT -5
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Post by werka on Jun 2, 2020 23:33:31 GMT -5
Is Roni Perry still part of the USA NT? She’s rumored to play in Budowłani Łodz in the Polish League.
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Post by alohavball on Jun 3, 2020 6:18:31 GMT -5
There are 45 foreigners vying for a spot in Korean Volleyball League with only 6 spots available. Only six teams in the league with a one foreigner per team rule. These are the US players trying out. Merete Lutz (renewed GS Caltex) Hayley Spelman Willow Johnson: Nilufer Kelsie Payne: SSC Schwerin Adeja Lambert Lindsey Vander Weide M'Kaela White Katherine Bell Akuabata Okenwa Nia Kai Reed Only 4 spots available now, Valentina Diouf (ITA) renewed with KGC Ginseng and Merete Lutz with GS Caltex. sports.news.naver.com/news.nhn?oid=472&aid=0000019726thespike.co.kr/article/view.php?no=14652
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Post by werka on Jun 3, 2020 8:33:22 GMT -5
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