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Post by fandad on Apr 11, 2020 12:11:25 GMT -5
I'm sure this announcement relates only to the girls season. There really isn't a boy's season for the NCVA between now and the fall. I would not be concerned this effects BJNC, which is a USAV event (at least for now). No "tune ups" before WCC and BJNCs in normal times? SCVA only has (had?) three one day'ers this year, so not much, but ... something. No tune ups in Northern California to my memory. The NCVA does not typically sanction boy's events in the spring/summer. For NorCal clubs after the HS season ends, it's all about the WCC and potentially BJNCs. I did hear a very, very passing rumor recently of at least one traditionally all-girls club in NorCal "considering" putting a boy's team together for AAU's, but that just seems really unlikely to me even under normal circumstances.
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Post by Badger Alum on Apr 12, 2020 1:28:31 GMT -5
We got an email yesterday saying USAV is delaying the High Performance Boys tryout results for a second time. This time it's until May 5th.
I don't understand why they can't publish the results and let folks know if they made it or not. The determination of whether or not USAV holds their High Performance Camps can be decided in June (for July/August camps). But why do they have to keep delaying the results of the tryouts?
They said during the tryouts that they were expecting 2,000-3,000 boys to try out and they were only going to take a 300-400 hundred. By releasing the results, over 2,000 families would know it's not for them. Sure, the ones that made it would still have to wait and see if it happens or not, but why not just release the results. I don't understand.
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Post by wilbur on Apr 12, 2020 16:24:42 GMT -5
I assume USAV wants there to be more certainty about the summer schedule before people are asked to make commitments within a 3 day window. Many families probably would rather make that decision in May than now.
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Post by teamjess on Apr 13, 2020 11:42:31 GMT -5
I assume USAV wants there to be more certainty about the summer schedule before people are asked to make commitments within a 3 day window. Many families probably would rather make that decision in May than now. Right - once they announce the results they give you three days to accept or decline. Then the offer is extended to the waitlist. No one is going to commit now.
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Post by theballneverlies on Apr 13, 2020 11:43:19 GMT -5
For many reasons, I think USAV should release the HP tryout results, at least on the boys' indoor side. They can defer the commitment/payment date to a later time (I understand they don't want to collect money only to have to refund it if the HP programs get cancelled). Extending the result posting date just keeps people in limbo needlessly.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Apr 13, 2020 13:14:35 GMT -5
For many reasons, I think USAV should release the HP tryout results, at least on the boys' indoor side. They can defer the commitment/payment date to a later time (I understand they don't want to collect money only to have to refund it if the HP programs get cancelled). Extending the result posting date just keeps people in limbo needlessly. You understand once the results are posted, families will start making flight reservations and family travel plans to attend immediately. All that info is already posted online. What happens if they cancel all summer programs? I'm sure those parents will throw a fit. It is only 90 days till the start of HPCs for the top player group. Maybe the state of Pennsylvania will limit group size to 100 people or less for the summer. That would drastically effect holding HPCs or any camp, right? In addition, the commitment needs to be a short period after because they need firm responses/payment. Can't run a program if a bunch of people start dropping out or changing their minds, right? The whole country is in limbo on most everything. I don't think the local and state governments are worried about summer camps run by USAV at the moment. Or maybe, your son needs to spice up his social media or recruiting profile. Hopefully, it won't be an A3 'money maker' camp.
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Post by theballneverlies on Apr 13, 2020 15:35:15 GMT -5
For many reasons, I think USAV should release the HP tryout results, at least on the boys' indoor side. They can defer the commitment/payment date to a later time (I understand they don't want to collect money only to have to refund it if the HP programs get cancelled). Extending the result posting date just keeps people in limbo needlessly. You understand once the results are posted, families will start making flight reservations and family travel plans to attend immediately. All that info is already posted online. What happens if they cancel all summer programs? I'm sure those parents will throw a fit. It is only 90 days till the start of HPCs for the top player group. Maybe the state of Pennsylvania will limit group size to 100 people or less for the summer. That would drastically effect holding HPCs or any camp, right? In addition, the commitment needs to be a short period after because they need firm responses/payment. Can't run a program if a bunch of people start dropping out or changing their minds, right? The whole country is in limbo on most everything. I don't think the local and state governments are worried about summer camps run by USAV at the moment. Or maybe, your son needs to spice up his social media or recruiting profile. Hopefully, it won't be an A3 'money maker' camp.
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Post by theballneverlies on Apr 13, 2020 15:38:44 GMT -5
You understand once the results are posted, families will start making flight reservations and family travel plans to attend immediately. All that info is already posted online. What happens if they cancel all summer programs? I'm sure those parents will throw a fit. It is only 90 days till the start of HPCs for the top player group. Maybe the state of Pennsylvania will limit group size to 100 people or less for the summer. That would drastically effect holding HPCs or any camp, right? In addition, the commitment needs to be a short period after because they need firm responses/payment. Can't run a program if a bunch of people start dropping out or changing their minds, right? The whole country is in limbo on most everything. I don't think the local and state governments are worried about summer camps run by USAV at the moment. Or maybe, your son needs to spice up his social media or recruiting profile. Hopefully, it won't be an A3 'money maker' camp.
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Post by theballneverlies on Apr 13, 2020 16:00:56 GMT -5
I do indeed understand how USAV High Performance invitations and acceptances have been handled in past years. The path through COVID-19 will not be materially clearer on May 5 than it is now. My preference is simply that USAV release the results with whatever caveats, qualifications, etc. are appropriate. There is nothing written in stone that says that USAV has to stick with the 3 day acceptance scheme it has used in the past. If the program takes only 200-300, and 2,000 to 3,000 are waiting to hear, why not release the results so that those who are not selected can move on? As far as spicing up recruiting profiles - absolutely. The boys who make A1 or the Youth National Training Team have already put in the work at past HP training programs and/or at Holiday Camp and/or in their Club season and deserve to know whether they made the team. Many of these boys in the Youth age group are high school juniors and are deep into the recruiting process, or are trying to get noticed by D2 or D3 schools. With Junior Nationals unlikely to happen (thousands of athletes and their families converging on Reno when nearby Truckee is a current COVID-19 hotspot - not likely), the HP results might be the thing that gets an athlete on a college coaches' radar.
This is all just what I would like to see happen, and what I think is in the best interest of families. Totally get that it's USAV's program, and they can run it however they want, and likely they will continue to delay and then just cancel the program without ever releasing results. That's what I'm expecting will actually happen.
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Post by wilbur on Apr 13, 2020 20:08:50 GMT -5
the HP program is there to develop athletes and coaches for the senior team international competitions and to also fund raise for those teams while providing feeder pipelines which they do down to a pretty low level of potential athlete.
They should respect everyone who participates as much as possible but releasing results so people can move on or have their curiosity quenched isn't necessary if it will impact either of the above functions. They also do not need to make any decisions based on helping players bolster their resumes or in the best interest of families.
I know my opinion above is harsh but I don't think you are looking at what USAV should do from the right angle. Think what will help USA win gold in 2024, 2028. Start there and work backwards.
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Post by theballneverlies on Apr 14, 2020 11:46:09 GMT -5
Releasing results in no way impacts the development of the 2024 and 2028 Olympic team. You make a giant leap in logic.
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Post by wilbur on Apr 14, 2020 12:22:03 GMT -5
Releasing results in no way impacts the development of the 2024 and 2028 Olympic team. You make a giant leap in logic. You are making my point, there is no impact to their goals and it will be a lot of extra work so why do it. Change you perspective and USAV approach will make more sense
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Post by bealzabubba on Apr 14, 2020 13:18:35 GMT -5
Releasing results in no way impacts the development of the 2024 and 2028 Olympic team. You make a giant leap in logic. You are making my point, there is no impact to their goals and it will be a lot of extra work so why do it. Change you perspective and USAV approach will make more sense On the boys indoor side, only, the work should have already been done - all tryouts were completed. As recently as today, however, USAV is promoting "video tryouts" for girls indoor / Beach HP programs. I don't think the program will go forward, and I don't think they'll announce selections, personally. I'd love to be wrong.
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Post by Badger Alum on Apr 15, 2020 11:47:24 GMT -5
I do indeed understand how USAV High Performance invitations and acceptances have been handled in past years. The path through COVID-19 will not be materially clearer on May 5 than it is now. My preference is simply that USAV release the results with whatever caveats, qualifications, etc. are appropriate. There is nothing written in stone that says that USAV has to stick with the 3 day acceptance scheme it has used in the past. If the program takes only 200-300, and 2,000 to 3,000 are waiting to hear, why not release the results so that those who are not selected can move on? As far as spicing up recruiting profiles - absolutely. The boys who make A1 or the Youth National Training Team have already put in the work at past HP training programs and/or at Holiday Camp and/or in their Club season and deserve to know whether they made the team. Many of these boys in the Youth age group are high school juniors and are deep into the recruiting process, or are trying to get noticed by D2 or D3 schools. With Junior Nationals unlikely to happen (thousands of athletes and their families converging on Reno when nearby Truckee is a current COVID-19 hotspot - not likely), the HP results might be the thing that gets an athlete on a college coaches' radar. This is all just what I would like to see happen, and what I think is in the best interest of families. Totally get that it's USAV's program, and they can run it however they want, and likely they will continue to delay and then just cancel the program without ever releasing results. That's what I'm expecting will actually happen. Exactly. Release the results and remove the 3 day commitment. Once they decide if they are moving forward or not, then ask for a commitment (if it does happen). But there is no benefit to withholding the results. If anything, for the 300-400 athletes selected, it gives the parents more time to consider what they want to do. I only see the benefit. I don't see the downside (assuming they remove the 3 day commitment window which this should). It also helps the 2,000+ families that know this is not in the cards for them this year. Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems weird they aren't releasing the results.
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Post by ohdad on Apr 16, 2020 17:56:13 GMT -5
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