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Post by colonial2415 on Apr 1, 2020 4:47:56 GMT -5
There should be no individual awards for volleyball period. Team awards only.
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Post by vinnielopes on Apr 1, 2020 11:06:53 GMT -5
We should go even further. There should be no individual stats. No numbers on a player jerseys — only the team logo. Also, no player shall be called by their actual name. Rather they will be called just teammate or bro.
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Post by backinthesaddle on Apr 1, 2020 12:41:23 GMT -5
“Bro” is a little gender specific, don’t ya think. Maybe give everyone a participation ribbon?
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Post by wilbur on Apr 1, 2020 14:41:35 GMT -5
make sure all scholarships are distributed equally too, everyone gets and even piece of the 4.5 rounded down to the penny and don't celebrate you birthday, it is selfish.
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Post by McAdoooo on Apr 1, 2020 15:28:31 GMT -5
Presenting any awards is ridiculous. Let the season be an "asterisk", like many other things in society.
In no way diminishing the accomplishments of any SAs...they are all winners this season!
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Post by ancksunamun on Apr 1, 2020 17:42:47 GMT -5
Ucsb no top five wins, hawaii had two. If you are crunching numbers for an at large maybe you have a point but if you were watching both teams play the season it is a tough arguments to make that UH was playing better ball than SB. Flip their schedules and SB is more likely undefeated and UH likely eating 3 or more losses based on the ball I saw played by both teams. UH got absolutely crushed in what was the biggest match of the year, they got beat so bad it should have counted twice! UH v BYU at a neutral or UCSB v BYU at a neutral... I think UCSB would be an odds fav compared to UH to pull that upset, and not by a little. #1 BYU vs. Ucsb (Byu 2-0) #1 BYU vs. Hawaii (split 1-1) PROBLEM SOLVED
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Post by McAdoooo on Apr 1, 2020 17:57:25 GMT -5
If you are crunching numbers for an at large maybe you have a point but if you were watching both teams play the season it is a tough arguments to make that UH was playing better ball than SB. Flip their schedules and SB is more likely undefeated and UH likely eating 3 or more losses based on the ball I saw played by both teams. UH got absolutely crushed in what was the biggest match of the year, they got beat so bad it should have counted twice! UH v BYU at a neutral or UCSB v BYU at a neutral... I think UCSB would be an odds fav compared to UH to pull that upset, and not by a little. #1 BYU vs. Ucsb (Byu 2-0) #1 BYU vs. Hawaii (split 1-1) PROBLEM SOLVED Not so fast. #1 BYU vs #3 UCSB...on a neutral court...
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Post by wilbur on Apr 2, 2020 2:49:36 GMT -5
If you are crunching numbers for an at large maybe you have a point but if you were watching both teams play the season it is a tough arguments to make that UH was playing better ball than SB. Flip their schedules and SB is more likely undefeated and UH likely eating 3 or more losses based on the ball I saw played by both teams. UH got absolutely crushed in what was the biggest match of the year, they got beat so bad it should have counted twice! UH v BYU at a neutral or UCSB v BYU at a neutral... I think UCSB would be an odds fav compared to UH to pull that upset, and not by a little. #1 BYU vs. Ucsb (Byu 2-0) #1 BYU vs. Hawaii (split 1-1) PROBLEM SOLVED you are either missing the point or choosing to ignore it. Both those match ups were not played on neutral courts and in my opinion 2 of the biggest home court advantages in the country at both locations. The only home team that didn't win was HI. UCSB still undefeated at home, only BYU can say that too.
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Post by ocmyhome on Apr 2, 2020 10:25:05 GMT -5
Awards should be given, but as mentioned, just put an asterisk next to them. That's the whole point of an asterisk, to make it stand out as abnormal. A lot of effort went into this season, would suck to not recognize those who overachieved up to that point in the year...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 10:55:19 GMT -5
Awards should be given, but as mentioned, just put an asterisk next to them. That's the whole point of an asterisk, to make it stand out as abnormal. A lot of effort went into this season, would suck to not recognize those who overachieved up to that point in the year... Exactly. I wonder what they will do in terms of the NCAA record book. For example, the NCAA record book breaks down the record for single season blocks per set into 3 categories, from 1970-2000 (I believe not side out scoring), from 2001-2010 (30 point sets), and from 2011-2019 (25 point sets). The record for 25 point sets for blocks per set is 1.60 (Robert Feathers, USC 2012 and Tommy Carmody, Pacific 2014). According to NCAA.com, Scott Stadick led the nation with an average of 2.03 blocks per set this season, so he would have blown away that record. (Just to put that into perspective, the record for blocks per set in 30 point sets is 1.97, so Stadick would’ve broken that record while playing 16% fewer points, with the exception of 5th sets.)
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Post by wilbur on Apr 2, 2020 12:09:11 GMT -5
Awards should be given, but as mentioned, just put an asterisk next to them. That's the whole point of an asterisk, to make it stand out as abnormal. A lot of effort went into this season, would suck to not recognize those who overachieved up to that point in the year... Exactly. I wonder what they will do in terms of the NCAA record book. For example, the NCAA record book breaks down the record for single season blocks per set into 3 categories, from 1970-2000 (I believe not side out scoring), from 2001-2010 (30 point sets), and from 2011-2019 (25 point sets). The record for 25 point sets for blocks per set is 1.60 (Robert Feathers, USC 2012 and Tommy Carmody, Pacific 2014). According to NCAA.com, Scott Stadick led the nation with an average of 2.03 blocks per set this season, so he would have blown away that record. (Just to put that into perspective, the record for blocks per set in 30 point sets is 1.97, so Stadick would’ve broke that record while playing 13% fewer points, with the exception of 5th sets.) I agree here as well. Career records will be impacted too and the * is the best option... I don't think anyone wants an * next to their name but there is not a better way.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 2, 2020 12:40:03 GMT -5
I have no issue with national awards being handed out, even in an abbreviated season. I don't see how that hurts anyone, and I think not handing them out would be worse. I agree that an asterisk is fine to indicate that it was a partial season. As for records, I don't think enough of the season was played to warrant them, even with an asterisk (it's completely untenable not to have an asterisk). In the case of Stadick, UC Irvine had played 17 matches so far (Stadick actually played in 16, as he missed one match). It appears that they would have had another 12 matches at a minimum (11 more regular season matches and at least one match in the Big West Tournament). I just don't think you can be a record holder in a season that was less than 60 percent of the regular length (this is different than national awards because everyone this season was affected by the cancellation of the rest of the season, and I do think enough time was played--particularly if Garcia Fernandez wins, given BYU's brutal non-conference schedule--for the winners to emerge). I do feel bad for Stadick, but it is what it is. To look at another sport, some athletes were literally in the stadium ready to compete in the NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championships when they were canceled. They missed out on winning an individual title, which they may never have again. It's unfortunate, but it can't be helped.
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Post by wilbur on Apr 2, 2020 13:42:43 GMT -5
What is typical criteria if season was played out for amount of matches? I think it is something like 75% or maybe 60%, so of season did go on and Scott got hurt or benched I think he would have been close if not qualified.
The * is the right call IMO.
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Post by raian13 on Apr 2, 2020 21:09:38 GMT -5
Ucsb no top five wins, hawaii had two. If you are crunching numbers for an at large maybe you have a point but if you were watching both teams play the season it is a tough arguments to make that UH was playing better ball than SB. Flip their schedules and SB is more likely undefeated and UH likely eating 3 or more losses based on the ball I saw played by both teams. UH got absolutely crushed in what was the biggest match of the year, they got beat so bad it should have counted twice! UH v BYU at a neutral or UCSB v BYU at a neutral... I think UCSB would be an odds fav compared to UH to pull that upset, and not by a little. get over it homer. At this point there are no ifs and buts. A loss is a loss. A win is a win. Hawaii split series with BYU. UCSB got swept by BYU. A win at SSC is as good as a win in Provo. And a loss in Provo does not equate with a win at SSC. UCSB lost to BYU twice get over it. There are no flipping schedules and such.
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Post by wilbur on Apr 2, 2020 21:27:37 GMT -5
If you are crunching numbers for an at large maybe you have a point but if you were watching both teams play the season it is a tough arguments to make that UH was playing better ball than SB. Flip their schedules and SB is more likely undefeated and UH likely eating 3 or more losses based on the ball I saw played by both teams. UH got absolutely crushed in what was the biggest match of the year, they got beat so bad it should have counted twice! UH v BYU at a neutral or UCSB v BYU at a neutral... I think UCSB would be an odds fav compared to UH to pull that upset, and not by a little. get over it homer. At this point there are no ifs and buts. A loss is a loss. A win is a win. Hawaii split series with BYU. UCSB got swept by BYU. A win at SSC is as good as a win in Provo. And a loss in Provo does not equate with a win at SSC. UCSB lost to BYU twice get over it. There are no flipping schedules and such. you are wrong, it is only ifs. The season never finished. There is no winner, no champion. All conjecture and opinions who was the best team and who would have won it all and beat each other. You have your opinion. My opinion after watching every match the top three teams played this season is that UH was the best when the season started and the third best when it ended. Did you watch all the BYU and UCSB games?
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