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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 13:47:36 GMT -5
Because of the circumstances... I'm not sure how much room there will be for growing pains I think the Pac/B1G teams have a bit more room for a slow start than the ACC or B12. But I agree it's going to be more cutthroat than in a normal year. Look at those already playing; can Kansas, TCU, FSU or Syracuse recover to get an at large now? I don’t think TCU was ever in the convo to get an at large lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 13:49:59 GMT -5
I think the Pac/B1G teams have a bit more room for a slow start than the ACC or B12. But I agree it's going to be more cutthroat than in a normal year. Look at those already playing; can Kansas, TCU, FSU or Syracuse recover to get an at large now? I don’t think TCU was ever in the convo to get an at large lol Were WVU or K State?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 22, 2020 13:59:56 GMT -5
I was comparing UW's OH's of last year to UCLA's this year. Obviously we don't have Bajema anymore and McCall wasn't on the team last year for UCLA. I was going off of "while Ndiaye show a lot of promise, we don't really know what she will actually do at the collegiate level yet". At least the same applies to Endsley. Both are highly rated pin recruits who could step into starting roles. I'll be surprised if Endsley doesn't start. jwvolley, to whom you were responding, did say "I'm just evaluating Utah as compared to other teams because I think they have the talent on the pins to warrant the discussion being Final 4 worthiness....and UCLA is likely to have better pins than UW did too". Although the tenses in the latter are bollixed up.
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Post by vbfamily on Oct 22, 2020 15:35:06 GMT -5
Nice to see the Pac-12 thread moving again. Watching a bit of the other teams playing, can 1/22 get here soon enough? I guess it can since most of our teams have not even practiced 6x6 or even indoors. Three months to go!! Let's all do our part to keep the illness numbers down as winter approaches. Would hate to see more postponement/cancellation.
Looking forward to seeing how the needle has moved during all of this craziness for each of those returning and to see the addition of the new players via transfer or the incoming Freshmen!
Go Pac!!
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 22, 2020 15:39:59 GMT -5
Just looking at the PAC standings last year:
Stanford (18 - 2) Washington (15 - 5) Utah (14 - 6) UCLA (13 - 7) Washington State (12 - 8) USC (11 - 9) Cal (10 - 10) Arizona State (9 - 11) Colorado (5 - 15) Arizona (5 - 15) Oregon (5 - 15) Oregon State (3 - 17)
Assuming that there is limited OOC play - and nothing that will greatly alter the discussion - I would see Washington, Utah, and UCLA as being locks for at large teams to go along with Stanford. This would put Washington State and USC on the bubble for a 48 team field. I don't think Cal would have had any chance (and they didn't make it with 64). With non conference and RPI - USC was a guarantee at-large last year (and would have been with a 48 team field), while Washington State was on the bubble. I think projecting what would happen w/o the OOC - it would have been very difficult for USC to get in before Washington State and probably difficult for both to get in. Washington State did beat USC twice to go along with the better conference record.
The new state of play will be slightly different (besides the fewer at large teams) - and we can see where conference standing will likely be much more important than before.
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Post by chisovnik on Oct 22, 2020 23:52:03 GMT -5
and UCLA is likely to have better pins than UW did too meh.... I dunno about THAT. Bajema and May are at best a wash, Hoffman, when healthy, an McCall, when healthy, are at best a wash, and while Ndiaye show a lot of promise, we don't really know what she will actually do at the collegiate level yet. Dreschel is as good or better than anyone else UCLA has on their roster. re: Dreschel - that is categorically false. She is not on the same level as May, and it's not close.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 23, 2020 0:08:13 GMT -5
meh.... I dunno about THAT. Bajema and May are at best a wash, Hoffman, when healthy, an McCall, when healthy, are at best a wash, and while Ndiaye show a lot of promise, we don't really know what she will actually do at the collegiate level yet. Dreschel is as good or better than anyone else UCLA has on their roster. re: Dreschel - that is categorically false. She is not on the same level as May, and it's not close. I am pretty sure he just said "as good or better than anyone else UCLA has on their roster". As in, he wasn't including anyone he just named, such as May.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 23, 2020 1:10:00 GMT -5
re: Dreschel - that is categorically false. She is not on the same level as May, and it's not close. I am pretty sure he just said "as good or better than anyone else UCLA has on their roster". As in, he wasn't including anyone he just named, such as May. correct, obviously. But this poster, if recent history is any indication, has some weird eyesight and conclusions when it comes to my posts.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 23, 2020 1:11:14 GMT -5
meh.... I dunno about THAT. Bajema and May are at best a wash, Hoffman, when healthy, an McCall, when healthy, are at best a wash, and while Ndiaye show a lot of promise, we don't really know what she will actually do at the collegiate level yet. Dreschel is as good or better than anyone else UCLA has on their roster. re: Dreschel - that is categorically false. She is not on the same level as May, and it's not close. I wasn't including May in the comparison, as MikeGarrison pointed out. If you are going to continually baselessly insult me in the Nebraska thread, the least you can do is apply some reading comprehension before you start flapping your gums/typing away.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 1:25:17 GMT -5
I am pretty sure he just said "as good or better than anyone else UCLA has on their roster". As in, he wasn't including anyone he just named, such as May. correct, obviously. But this poster, if recent history is any indication, has some weird eyesight and conclusions when it comes to my posts. Wait, this is what you meant? I thought you were just talking about right sides (I won't dispute Ndiaye cos none of us know yet)... But if you think Dreschel is "as good or better" than McCall you're crazy. A healthy McCall is as good as any pin in the conference, including May.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 23, 2020 1:35:55 GMT -5
correct, obviously. But this poster, if recent history is any indication, has some weird eyesight and conclusions when it comes to my posts. Wait, this is what you meant? I thought you were just talking about right sides (I won't dispute Ndiaye cos none of us know yet)... But if you think Dreschel is "as good or better" than McCall you're crazy. A healthy McCall is as good as any pin in the conference, including May. lol no, it's NOT what I meant, despite Chisnovik's ridiculousness in trying to warp my words. I commented that I don't think having great middle production is necessary to having success if you have pins getting it done, I pointed out UW's lackluster middle performance last year yet their overall record. A different poster seemingly agreed saying that UCLA's pins may be better than the pins UW had (last year). I said I didn't necessarily agree with that comment. I compared May and Bajema (wash) and a healthy McCall and Hoffman (wash). I then separately said that, even though Ndiaye shows a lot of promise, she hasn't played yet so we really don't know (but I REALLY like her, fwiw). I then said that Dreschel is as good as or better than anyone else on UCLA's roster. Anyone else being the literal dictionary definition meaning players not already mentioned (i.e. I wasn't saying Dreschel is as good as or better than May or McCall).
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 23, 2020 1:45:22 GMT -5
correct, obviously. But this poster, if recent history is any indication, has some weird eyesight and conclusions when it comes to my posts. Wait, this is what you meant? I thought you were just talking about right sides (I won't dispute Ndiaye cos none of us know yet)... But if you think Dreschel is "as good or better" than McCall you're crazy. A healthy McCall is as good as any pin in the conference, including May. I feel like I'm taking the SAT reading comprehension test. Or maybe grading it. ay2013 mentioned May, McCall, and Ndiaye, and then said Dreschel was "as good or better than anyone else UCLA has on their roster". I thought it was obvious that excludes May, McCall and Ndiaye from the comparison.
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Post by vbstan123 on Oct 23, 2020 3:45:21 GMT -5
Have you seen much of Kate Lane? If so, what are your thoughts? Is she a "late bloomer" who could be a really good setter, or just a body that UCLA picked up because they were desperate for another setter? Based on the growth she showed during her final year in club, she was definitely a late bloomer. Initially committed elsewhere I think (forget where), she's got good hands and is very athletic. I wouldn't be surprised to see her push Chang or start in a 6-2 in the spring. Agreed. She was originally committed to SMU. I think she will really surprise people.
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Post by gobruins on Oct 23, 2020 4:54:51 GMT -5
Have you seen much of Kate Lane? If so, what are your thoughts? Is she a "late bloomer" who could be a really good setter, or just a body that UCLA picked up because they were desperate for another setter? Based on the growth she showed during her final year in club, she was definitely a late bloomer. Initially committed elsewhere I think (forget where), she's got good hands and is very athletic. I wouldn't be surprised to see her push Chang or start in a 6-2 in the spring. Thank you. Appreciate the info.
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Post by vbfamily on Jan 7, 2021 11:55:42 GMT -5
Does the PAC have a 2021 Spring thread? I didn’t see one, but may have missed it.
First matches in 15 days. Still no “official” schedule? Seeing it on websites will just make it more real.
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