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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 14:24:21 GMT -5
Generally curious; which rule book does Men's Volleyball adhere to, NCAA D1 or D2? The rules are different for each division, which would make the cases at Pepperdine, Ball State, and Penn State different than those at McKendree if they are being held to the standards of their specific institutional affiliation.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 16, 2020 15:18:38 GMT -5
Generally curious; which rule book does Men's Volleyball adhere to, NCAA D1 or D2? The rules are different for each division, which would make the cases at Pepperdine, Ball State, and Penn State different than those at McKendree if they are being held to the standards of their specific institutional affiliation. Schools follow the rule book of their Division; so Pepperdine, Ball State, and Penn State follow D1. McKendree follows D2. Both Divisions compete at the same level. The rules are very similar; but there are some exceptions. Some give advantage to D1 and some rules benefit D2. That is why you need to be familiar with both rule books and most people aren't. Both manuals can be downloaded for free on the NCAA website.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 15:26:22 GMT -5
Fully understand that, I was just curious if they had some exceptions because they were in a merged format. You would hope that the SA's had communicated with the coaches and compliance administrators beforehand in these situations. With all of the required training that they have to go through, it would surprise me if they had not done so.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 16, 2020 15:28:03 GMT -5
I guess we will find out soon enough. That is even if there is a season...
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Post by Freeman on Jul 16, 2020 16:37:09 GMT -5
Calling VLA a professional league is comical. To my knowledge, nobody received money. And yes - NCAA cleared the event.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 16, 2020 17:07:46 GMT -5
Calling VLA a professional league is comical. To my knowledge, nobody received money. And yes - NCAA cleared the event. From the instagram page of the VLA: Volleyball League Of America - Professional Volleyball League of the United States of America - usavla.com I think the VLA is a joke too. But my bias doesn't matter. Again, the NCAA in their Division 1 and Division 2 bylaws state that a (12.02.12 D1 and 12.02.6 D2) Professional Athletics Team. A professional team is any organized team that (b) Declares itself to be professional. I am not making this up. It is right there in front of your face. The act of receiving money has absolutely NOTHING to do with the NCAA rule and Amateurism. You actually have to read the bylaws. They played in a match or several matches in the VLA in July 2020, which considers itself a professional league. Why do you think that NCAA players that still have remaining eligibility DO NOT play in the summer with the VLA or now defunct PVL and then come back to the NCAA the next season? Because it is illegal. Duh. Are you sure the NCAA cleared it? All you are saying is VLA is not professional, no money exchanged, and somebody told me it is ok. Someone will say something. Now. During the next season. Or after the next season.
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Post by volleybro69 on Jul 16, 2020 17:17:18 GMT -5
Calling VLA a professional league is comical. To my knowledge, nobody received money. And yes - NCAA cleared the event. From the instagram page of the VLA: Volleyball League Of America - Professional Volleyball League of the United States of America - usavla.com I think the VLA is a joke too. But my bias doesn't matter. Again, the NCAA in their Division 1 and Division 2 bylaws state that a (12.02.12 D1 and 12.02.6 D2) Professional Athletics Team. A professional team is any organized team that (b) Declares itself to be professional. I am not making this up. It is right there in front of your face. The act of receiving money has absolutely NOTHING to do with the NCAA rule and Amateurism. You actually have to read the bylaws. They played in a match or several matches in the VLA in July 2020, which considers itself a professional league. Why do you think that NCAA players that still have remaining eligibility DO NOT play in the summer with the VLA or now defunct PVL and then come back to the NCAA the next season? Because it is illegal. Duh. Are you sure the NCAA cleared it? All you are saying is VLA is not professional, no money exchanged, and somebody told me it is ok. Someone will say something. Now. During the next season. Or after the next season. Just being curious, why are you interested in all of this so much?
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Post by coug94 on Jul 16, 2020 19:56:20 GMT -5
It doesn’t look like the Gebert 5th year transfer is happening The Gebert transfer is definitely happening. Did he and the school restore the announcement on their respective social media? Curious because now it’s deleted. Maybe playing in the VLA pro tournament changed things.
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Post by MVBFAN on Jul 16, 2020 22:45:58 GMT -5
The Gebert transfer is definitely happening. Did he and the school restore the announcement on their respective social media? Curious because now it’s deleted. Maybe playing in the VLA pro tournament changed things. It’s still on their Instagram. It’s in the combo women’s/men’s commitments. He’s the 3rd one in
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Post by rstclaire1 on Jul 17, 2020 10:34:45 GMT -5
I already answered this in the VLA thread, but I'll make it as clear as I can about any VLA players with grey area. Ben Hancock - Pepperdine RS SO - graduated and left school, not using any Covid exemptions. I know him and his brother personally, this is 100% confirmed. Luke Braswell - Penn State RS SR - graduated and left school, not planning on using Covid exemption to my knowledge Dyer Ball - Ball State incoming freshman - got clearance from NCAA to play in VLA event Evan Gebert - NAIA Lourdes OH/Opp transferring to McKendree for his Covid exempt year - got clearance from NCAA to play in VLA event I don't know the details of these clearances, but the VLA board knew long in advance that they'd have to get approval before Ball and Gebert even appeared on the VLA online rosters. It was taken care of with the NCAA and I relayed that on the broadcasts. I don't expect there to be any eligibility problems with any of these players. Not sure why midwestvball1 insists on being such a colossal jerk about this particular issue and the VLA's existence as a whole...he's assumed throughout this entire discussion that the VLA didn't bother getting clearance or approval ahead of time and just haphazardly threw college kids out on the floor for the July 4 event. That assumption is wrong, we've been thinking about that issue as it relates to Gebert at least for several months, and we made sure not to jeopardize our event or any player's eligibility by being careless. Also never got an answer on my question in the other thread, why do so many people here seem to want the VLA (or any professional league attempt, for that matter) to fail so badly?
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Post by coug94 on Jul 17, 2020 19:56:27 GMT -5
I already answered this in the VLA thread, but I'll make it as clear as I can about any VLA players with grey area. Ben Hancock - Pepperdine RS SO - graduated and left school, not using any Covid exemptions. I know him and his brother personally, this is 100% confirmed. Luke Braswell - Penn State RS SR - graduated and left school, not planning on using Covid exemption to my knowledge Dyer Ball - Ball State incoming freshman - got clearance from NCAA to play in VLA event Evan Gebert - NAIA Lourdes OH/Opp transferring to McKendree for his Covid exempt year - got clearance from NCAA to play in VLA event I don't know the details of these clearances, but the VLA board knew long in advance that they'd have to get approval before Ball and Gebert even appeared on the VLA online rosters. It was taken care of with the NCAA and I relayed that on the broadcasts. I don't expect there to be any eligibility problems with any of these players. Not sure why midwestvball1 insists on being such a colossal jerk about this particular issue and the VLA's existence as a whole...he's assumed throughout this entire discussion that the VLA didn't bother getting clearance or approval ahead of time and just haphazardly threw college kids out on the floor for the July 4 event. That assumption is wrong, we've been thinking about that issue as it relates to Gebert at least for several months, and we made sure not to jeopardize our event or any player's eligibility by being careless. Also never got an answer on my question in the other thread, why do so many people here seem to want the VLA (or any professional league attempt, for that matter) to fail so badly? I ended up checking out your YouTube channel and a few interviews. You do a solid job! Maybe the old adage “no such thing as bad publicity” holds true, the Midwestvball1 comments got me to check out your stuff.
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Post by rstclaire1 on Jul 21, 2020 12:32:35 GMT -5
I already answered this in the VLA thread, but I'll make it as clear as I can about any VLA players with grey area. Ben Hancock - Pepperdine RS SO - graduated and left school, not using any Covid exemptions. I know him and his brother personally, this is 100% confirmed. Luke Braswell - Penn State RS SR - graduated and left school, not planning on using Covid exemption to my knowledge Dyer Ball - Ball State incoming freshman - got clearance from NCAA to play in VLA event Evan Gebert - NAIA Lourdes OH/Opp transferring to McKendree for his Covid exempt year - got clearance from NCAA to play in VLA event I don't know the details of these clearances, but the VLA board knew long in advance that they'd have to get approval before Ball and Gebert even appeared on the VLA online rosters. It was taken care of with the NCAA and I relayed that on the broadcasts. I don't expect there to be any eligibility problems with any of these players. Not sure why midwestvball1 insists on being such a colossal jerk about this particular issue and the VLA's existence as a whole...he's assumed throughout this entire discussion that the VLA didn't bother getting clearance or approval ahead of time and just haphazardly threw college kids out on the floor for the July 4 event. That assumption is wrong, we've been thinking about that issue as it relates to Gebert at least for several months, and we made sure not to jeopardize our event or any player's eligibility by being careless. Also never got an answer on my question in the other thread, why do so many people here seem to want the VLA (or any professional league attempt, for that matter) to fail so badly? I ended up checking out your YouTube channel and a few interviews. You do a solid job! Maybe the old adage “no such thing as bad publicity” holds true, the Midwestvball1 comments got me to check out your stuff. I appreciate that! Whatever gets people to check out the league I guess I'll take! It was a really good weekend of volleyball that we'll be able to pull content from for the next several months.
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