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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 2, 2020 9:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by westcoastbias on Jul 2, 2020 10:57:31 GMT -5
My guess is they wanted to effectively synch up the cutoff with JOs - makes sense to me, never understood the 2 month gap between those two...
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 2, 2020 11:40:24 GMT -5
This would seem to help, some, those who were freshman last year but aged into 16s - avoids the two years of 18s.
But if the kid was a sophomore last year, I'm not seeing the advantage of playing 16s again.
Besides my 16 myopia, though, this could impact 17 and 18s, as well - do sophomores who played 17s go for a second year of 17s instead of 2 in 18s?
This assumes we have a season, of course.
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Post by wilbur on Jul 2, 2020 16:09:42 GMT -5
interesting change, after thinking about it I don't have a strong opinion. Thoughts:
It should improve the level of play for all but 18s over the long run.
It will allow more kids to play with their class due to the many DK, TK kids these days and may keep a few more in the sport due to being able to play with their friends in the same grade.
I believe the main reason USAV did this is to increase enrollment to benefit themselves and keep some kids on the fence in the fold. It will not do much to improve development of the best players.
For boys this is the second year that they have made changes, last year they duplicated 8th grade exception for the 7th and 6th grade year. Wonder if there are more tweaks coming in the future years.
It will benefit some of the DK/TK kids but not all, I hope this isn't phase 1 of a multi-step adjustment toward a full grade level definition system like much of basketball does, too much potential for abuse.
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Post by hac on Jul 4, 2020 22:17:13 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense based on a previous reply that the JO's (Junior Olympic Games) coincide with the cut off date. The JO Games are the last week of July through the first week of August with some beach events going later in the month into August.
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Post by westcoastbias on Jul 6, 2020 13:28:24 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense based on a previous reply that the JO's (Junior Olympic Games) coincide with the cut off date. The JO Games are the last week of July through the first week of August with some beach events going later in the month into August. Boys JOs are the last week of June, into first week of July. So changing the cutoff date to June 30 directly coincides with the BJNC. Not sure if that was the main driver for the change, but pretty sure that date wasn't a coincidence. The August 31 cutoff date was probably meant to synch up with the school year, but honestly, it never really made sense for a club sport who's big season-ending event was 2 months prior. (With that change, I also think it would make sense to ditch that exception year for 14s - if you're born before July 1, you play up until your 18s exception year)
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Post by wilbur on Jul 6, 2020 14:29:04 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense based on a previous reply that the JO's (Junior Olympic Games) coincide with the cut off date. The JO Games are the last week of July through the first week of August with some beach events going later in the month into August. Boys JOs are the last week of June, into first week of July. So changing the cutoff date to June 30 directly coincides with the BJNC. Not sure if that was the main driver for the change, but pretty sure that date wasn't a coincidence. The August 31 cutoff date was probably meant to synch up with the school year, but honestly, it never really made sense for a club sport who's big season-ending event was 2 months prior. (With that change, I also think it would make sense to ditch that exception year for 14s - if you're born before July 1, you play up until your 18s exception year) They won't do that, it would only reduce number of participants, not increase. There is benefit to USAV here. I assume the original reason for the exception rule is to allow boys that are in 8th grade have a team to play on and also play the net height they are potentially playing in school. There are plenty of boys that turn 15 before before July in 8th grade. If they made that shift those boys would not have a team to play on during the entire HS season and some would likely not sign up for club.
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Post by westcoastbias on Jul 6, 2020 14:40:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking out loud more or less, but those are good points. I'm all for anything that grows the sport. I suppose I cringe slightly when I see certain programs take advantage of that exception year, and hold back kids to stack their 14s team with kids who could easily play up on 15s. But it's certainly not one size fits all, and forcing kids up who aren't ready might be worse overall for the sport. No perfect solutions I suppose, but I think the roll back of the cutoff to June 30 is a good move.
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Post by hac on Jul 6, 2020 19:54:42 GMT -5
Boys or Girls JOs (Junior Olympic Games) in ALL sports are last week of July / first week of August. (this year moving to Florida) The date change doesn't coincide with the rationale that the Junior Olympic Games are late June/early July. The membership year is also September 1.
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Post by hac on Jul 6, 2020 19:55:46 GMT -5
Boys AND Girls JOs (Junior Olympic Games) in ALL sports are last week of July / first week of August. (this year moving to Florida) The date change doesn't coincide with the rationale that the Junior Olympic Games are late June/early July. The membership year is also September 1.
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Post by westcoastbias on Jul 7, 2020 0:25:24 GMT -5
Boys or Girls JOs (Junior Olympic Games) in ALL sports are last week of July / first week of August. (this year moving to Florida) The date change doesn't coincide with the rationale that the Junior Olympic Games are late June/early July. The membership year is also September 1. Huh? BJNC this year was June 27 - July 4 in Reno: www.teamusa.org/usa-volleyball/calendar/2020/june/27/bjnc-2020
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Post by hac on Jul 7, 2020 1:53:53 GMT -5
The Junior Olympic Games are scheduled for July 25-August 8 in Space Coast, Florida www.aaujrogames.org which includes beach volleyball. The Boys Junior National Volleyball Championships may have been scheduled in Reno, but a previous poster clearly referred to "JOs" (ie. Junior Olympics). The first multi-sport Junior Olympic Games dates back to 1967 in Washington, DC and has continued ever since. The games go into August, making this date change irrelevant, not to mention this year's (27th) Boys National Beach Volleyball Championships are August 7-8 in Hermosa Beach, CA
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Post by westcoastbias on Jul 7, 2020 10:30:09 GMT -5
The Junior Olympic Games are scheduled for July 25-August 8 in Space Coast, Florida www.aaujrogames.org which includes beach volleyball. The Boys Junior National Volleyball Championships may have been scheduled in Reno, but a previous poster clearly referred to "JOs" (ie. Junior Olympics). The first multi-sport Junior Olympic Games dates back to 1967 in Washington, DC and has continued ever since. The games go into August, making this date change irrelevant, not to mention this year's (27th) Boys National Beach Volleyball Championships are August 7-8 in Hermosa Beach, CA The JNC is also referred to as "JOs" regularly on the boys side (not sure why). For boys it's BY FAR the biggest event of the season, so the date change is actually very relevant for the boys' side of the sport.
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Post by hac on Jul 7, 2020 12:15:31 GMT -5
USA Volleyball discontinued the use of Junior Olympic terminology long ago as referenced via permitted usage by the United States Olympic Committee. There may be some misinformation when referring to the Junior Olympic program and the Amateur Sports Act which validated it. The previous poster clearly referred to 'JO"s and not Junior National Championships. The longest running junior national volleyball championships, in it's 47th year, will take place in Orlando this July and no longer utilizes Junior Olympic terminology; referenced past the 1988 season via USOC mandates. In the case of age groups, the Junior Olympic Games continues into August as well as many beach volleyball events which renders this date change useless.
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Post by westcoastbias on Jul 7, 2020 14:19:08 GMT -5
Yup, we're obviously talking about different events. I was the previous poster who said "JOs" - again, it's used interchangeably on the boys side with "BJNC" (at least, in our region), both of which refer to USAV's boys national championship tournament in June. This age cutoff change now falls right in the heart of this tournament's schedule - the two months extra age eligibility for every division is significant and will affect every division to a certain extent.
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