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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 4, 2020 13:37:01 GMT -5
Do some here even care to remind themselves that this thread...as hypothetically tenuous as it is...is about a group of athletes' threatened boycott: not Covid19? This, and the SI report about the P5 conferences breaking from the NCAA. Curious - if the NCAA goes forward today with no NCAA tournament, does that push the P5's to more quickly break from the NCAA and then would they create their own tournament? It sounds like there is a lot of buzz out there that it is a matter of when not if for the P5's move away from the NCAA. I am thinking the NCAA is in a tough position today. Cancel the NCAA tournament, and they may lose complete control from the big schools. Proceed with a tournament and then many schools and conferences will not be playing and the prospect of a spring season goes away. Should be interesting. And when the P5's move away from the NCAA - that has to be bad for the non P5 schools? I could see this being a huge recruiting drag for some of those top programs. Did the NCAA ever have control of the P5 conferences? I think it was case of convenience, once that convenience is null and void the P5 conferences will shed the NCAA like a cheap suit.
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Post by n00b on Aug 4, 2020 13:53:45 GMT -5
I still haven't heard why Power 5 college presidents would want to leave the NCAA. Running separate championships this fall is an easy 1-off in a COVID year and in no way commits them to any sort of break away. What is the long-term advantage?
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Post by bigjohn043 on Aug 4, 2020 13:57:18 GMT -5
An interesting factoid. Last year we had one player forgo college and play overseas. There are rumors that up to 5 might in the next year or so. OTOH, over 600 international players decided to not go pro and to come to the US for college. The market is speaking and for the vast majority of players the college scholarship is a pretty good deal.... Please learn what a monopoly is before making more posts about "the market". Are you claiming that the global market for basketball talent is a monopoly? Players have literally dozens of choices and the fact that they are choosing to come to the US to play college basketball is not relevant?
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 4, 2020 14:06:15 GMT -5
This, and the SI report about the P5 conferences breaking from the NCAA. Curious - if the NCAA goes forward today with no NCAA tournament, does that push the P5's to more quickly break from the NCAA and then would they create their own tournament? It sounds like there is a lot of buzz out there that it is a matter of when not if for the P5's move away from the NCAA. I am thinking the NCAA is in a tough position today. Cancel the NCAA tournament, and they may lose complete control from the big schools. Proceed with a tournament and then many schools and conferences will not be playing and the prospect of a spring season goes away. Should be interesting. And when the P5's move away from the NCAA - that has to be bad for the non P5 schools? I could see this being a huge recruiting drag for some of those top programs. Did the NCAA ever have control of the P5 conferences? I think it was case of convenience, once that convenience is null and void the P5 conferences will shed the NCAA like a cheap suit. For Football - no, the NCAA has very little. But they do run all the other sports national tournaments. And that would be a pretty significant break from the current arrangement.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 4, 2020 14:14:47 GMT -5
I still haven't heard why Power 5 college presidents would want to leave the NCAA. Running separate championships this fall is an easy 1-off in a COVID year and in no way commits them to any sort of break away. What is the long-term advantage? Power. This could break the rest of the schools in big time sports and put those 65 schools on an uneven playing field with the rest of D1. I think the NCAA infractions and policing is seen as more of a problem than a help. They can expand on player compensation and the role of amateurism. There is a lot of power to be had - and probably money to come with it. Of course it may end up differently than they think. I think this will probably work itself out. It could end up resulting in many fewer overall scholarship opportunities. There may be more sports being dropped. The advantages for smaller colleges going D1 may diminish. If we look at college football - I think it has improved since the NCAA got out of the way. So, hopefully it will be net good when it happens to the rest of the sports.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 4, 2020 14:20:59 GMT -5
Did the NCAA ever have control of the P5 conferences? I think it was case of convenience, once that convenience is null and void the P5 conferences will shed the NCAA like a cheap suit. For Football - no, the NCAA has very little. But they do run all the other sports national tournaments. And that would be a pretty significant break from the current arrangement. All the P5 care about is football and MBB. The rest of the sports are treated as services. The Director's cup was initiated to gather more interest from the big dawgs. The only possible reason for the P5 to pause in clearing out is if congress decides that anything short of the full complement of teams constitutes a monopoly. Congress also loves the idea of amateurism, no matter how much of a sham that is in practice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 14:28:15 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 4, 2020 14:52:58 GMT -5
You all are severely underestimating the protection and cover the NCAA provides the Power 5. Especially as the NCAA is in the process of securing antitrust exemptions. There's an entire legal and institutional framework the major conferences benefit from. The NCAA is a huge fig leaf for the P5.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 4, 2020 15:13:27 GMT -5
You all are severely underestimating the protection and cover the NCAA provides the Power 5. Especially as the NCAA is in the process of securing antitrust exemptions. There's an entire legal and institutional framework the major conferences benefit from. The NCAA is a huge fig leaf for the P5. Yep: that is one of the reasons why I have been stating throughout this thread that any fantastical, mutinous, pie-in-the-sky hope for the NCAA's demise is fatuous; At Best!
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Post by n00b on Aug 4, 2020 16:51:02 GMT -5
I've read both of those articles. Power 5 ADs don't like Emmert (but apparently the presidents do). That's the biggest reason other than 'they can'. (The focus of those was a breakaway tournament for this fall -- I don't think that means much about their willingness to break away permanently) If the P5 breaks away... Ohio State would no longer be able to play 75% of their non-conference football and basketball games at home (that hurts revenue). The men's basketball tournament wold become much less profitable. Olympic sports could no longer put together regional non-conference competition (or it would be a lot tougher). I guess they could pay the players, but why would university presidents want to do that? They could do it if they wanted. But I don't see how it would be profitable.
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Post by volleav on Aug 4, 2020 18:58:58 GMT -5
Any update to the Board of Gov meeting today?
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 4, 2020 19:17:06 GMT -5
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Post by dman on Aug 4, 2020 20:20:23 GMT -5
Jeesh...somebody needs to grow a set of volleyballs and make a decision! This just makes the water even murkier.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 4, 2020 20:30:29 GMT -5
Jeesh... somebody needs to grow a set of volleyballs That might make getting their pants on most difficult! (expandable shorts? )
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Post by volleav on Aug 4, 2020 21:22:16 GMT -5
Sounds like announcement tomorrow
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