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Post by maplespear on Aug 20, 2020 18:34:28 GMT -5
If indeed D1 sports are a no go for this fall they still could not get played in the spring. I think CV19 will be here for a few years and really do not think they will find a vaccine that proves to quite effective. I said before on here I think we will have herd immunity before we have an effective vaccine. As are zika, lymes, SARS, MERS, West nile among those that have emerged this century. Yes, 3 are mosquito or tick borne so not transmissible by a sneeze or cough. Swine flu has recently been back in the news as a new potential pandemic. S#it happens, deal with it, move on. Get back to living. We have coevolved with viruses and every single mutation that has been thrown our way since before we came down from the trees.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 20, 2020 19:03:08 GMT -5
How many here who are saying we just need to live with it are actually willing to go into a high risk Covid area? Probably not that many.
You are probably sitting on your couch and ordering everything for delivery.
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Post by dc on Aug 20, 2020 19:13:30 GMT -5
The South has a really good track record so far. It's a respiratory disease. As flu and colds ramp up, as people are in enclosed situations with each other for extended periods of time, as immune systems weaken with the fading light and cold, it will likely ramp up. It would have to be a different bug to do anything different. It hasn't changed much. You are the one pushing for them to play in the Winter / Spring. Seems like that isn't a very good idea based on the above. And just to be clear, NY & NJ not only have the highest death rate of any state in the union but a higher death rate than literally any country in the world. And you want to lecture the South on how it should be done? They are densely populated and got sucker punched with the first wave. You might as well save the snark.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 20, 2020 20:09:16 GMT -5
S#it happens, deal with it, move on. Get back to living. We have coevolved with viruses and every single mutation that has been thrown our way since before we came down from the trees. Yes, but the process you refer to involves a buttload of people dying. Co-evolving with a disease agent means many, many people who are not resistant die, so that the resistant ones are the only ones left to pass on their genes.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 20, 2020 20:51:48 GMT -5
You are the one pushing for them to play in the Winter / Spring. Seems like that isn't a very good idea based on the above. And just to be clear, NY & NJ not only have the highest death rate of any state in the union but a higher death rate than literally any country in the world. And you want to lecture the South on how it should be done? They are densely populated and got sucker punched with the first wave. You might as well save the snark. And the current positive rate is about 0.38 percent with robust testing.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 21, 2020 7:36:09 GMT -5
They are densely populated and got sucker punched with the first wave. You might as well save the snark. And the current positive rate is about 0.38 percent with robust testing. Deaths per 1M: New Jersey - 1,793 New York - 1,299 Massachusetts - 1,278 Connecticut - 1,250 Florida - 474 South Carolina - 466 Georgia - 461 North Carolina - 235 It shouldn't be too surprising that people have different opinions based on where they live. It also shouldn't be too surprising for people in the South to be uninterested in being lectured by people in the Northeast.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 21, 2020 7:43:51 GMT -5
And the current positive rate is about 0.38 percent with robust testing. Deaths per 1M: New Jersey - 1,793 New York - 1,299 Massachusetts - 1,278 Connecticut - 1,250 Florida - 474 South Carolina - 466 Georgia - 461 North Carolina - 235 It shouldn't be too surprising that people have different opinions based on where they live. It also shouldn't be too surprising for people in the South to be uninterested in being lectured by people in the Northeast. You are manipulating data though. The new wave of cases are coming predominantly from the South, such as from Florida. So...
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 21, 2020 8:09:50 GMT -5
Deaths per 1M: New Jersey - 1,793 New York - 1,299 Massachusetts - 1,278 Connecticut - 1,250 Florida - 474 South Carolina - 466 Georgia - 461 North Carolina - 235 It shouldn't be too surprising that people have different opinions based on where they live. It also shouldn't be too surprising for people in the South to be uninterested in being lectured by people in the Northeast. You are manipulating data though. The new wave of cases are coming predominantly from the South, such as from Florida. So... Plus the CDC is in Atlanta, and you have no problem ignoring them. The politics of divide and conquer and pitting groups against each other has been evolving for at least a few decades now, to the point that in a true crisis we are incapable of a united front. It isn't one side or the other as much as the sad realization that whole populations can be split off and then led by the nose for political gain. edit: of course by "you" I meant the poster you were responding to.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Aug 21, 2020 8:17:57 GMT -5
Deaths per 1M: New Jersey - 1,793 New York - 1,299 Massachusetts - 1,278 Connecticut - 1,250 Florida - 474 South Carolina - 466 Georgia - 461 North Carolina - 235 It shouldn't be too surprising that people have different opinions based on where they live. It also shouldn't be too surprising for people in the South to be uninterested in being lectured by people in the Northeast. You are manipulating data though. The new wave of cases are coming predominantly from the South, such as from Florida. So... What? It is very true that the new wave of cases is coming form the South although you conveniently didn't mention the west which has had big surges in AZ & CA. But the data is just the data. You can try to spin it but even after this second wave the South will be in much better shape than the Northeast. So having a bunch of Yankees lecture the South is just a bit rich.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 8:20:56 GMT -5
And the current positive rate is about 0.38 percent with robust testing. Deaths per 1M: New Jersey - 1,793 New York - 1,299 Massachusetts - 1,278 Connecticut - 1,250 Florida - 474 South Carolina - 466 Georgia - 461 North Carolina - 235 It shouldn't be too surprising that people have different opinions based on where they live. It also shouldn't be too surprising for people in the South to be uninterested in being lectured by people in the Northeast. Another way to look at this is total deaths, deaths in last 7 and percentages of deaths in a state in last 7 days. New Jersey - 1,793 - total deaths-15927 - last seven days - 36 - .2% New York - 1,299 - total deaths-33,688 - last seven days - 68 - .2% Massachusetts - 1,278 - total deaths-8,888 - last seven days - 107 - 1.2% Connecticut - 1,250 - total deaths-4,458 - last seven days - 7 - .15% Florida - 474 - total deaths-10,186 - last seven days - 1,169 - 11.4% South Carolina - 466 - total deaths-2,401 - last seven days - 216 - 8.9% Georgia - 461 - total deaths-4,904 - last seven days - 393 - 8.0% North Carolina - 235 - total deaths-2,504 - last seven days - 199 - 7.9% don't have baseline stats provided above, but totals/last 7/% during last 7 - for rest of SEC/ACC states: Texas - 11,011 - 1504 - 13.6% Louisiana - 4,684 - 248 - 5.2% Mississippi - 2,190 - 174 - 7.9% Alabama - 1,974 - 64 - 3.2% Virginia - 2,427 - 58 - 2.3% Tennessee - 1,488 - 163 - 10.9% Arkansas - 641 - 64 - 9.9% Kentucky - 856 - 52 - 6.0%
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 21, 2020 8:21:08 GMT -5
You are manipulating data though. The new wave of cases are coming predominantly from the South, such as from Florida. So... So having a bunch of Yankees lecture the South is just a bit rich. The North had much more deaths because they were the first to be hit. So simply looking at this data you would not realized it is skewed. But now a lot of the new cases are coming down in some of the northern states, especially in previously hard-hit states like New York. As for being a "Yankee", I have no interest in re-fighting the civil war, I am saying this not as someone from the North or the South. I am simply telling you what the facts say. You gotta deal with reality, man.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 21, 2020 8:23:07 GMT -5
Deaths per 1M: New Jersey - 1,793 New York - 1,299 Massachusetts - 1,278 Connecticut - 1,250 Florida - 474 South Carolina - 466 Georgia - 461 North Carolina - 235 It shouldn't be too surprising that people have different opinions based on where they live. It also shouldn't be too surprising for people in the South to be uninterested in being lectured by people in the Northeast. You are manipulating data though. The new wave of cases are coming predominantly from the South, such as from Florida. So... Here are cases per 1M since the beginning: New Jersey - 21,225 New York - 21,990 Connecticut - 19,949 Massachusetts - 17,947 Florida - 27,405 Georgia - 23,239 South Carolina - 21,232 North Carolina - 14,292 Cases paints a very different picture. It also shows just how much more deadly this was early on (still deadly). On a positive side - overall cases in the US have been dropping with the peak being 7/22. 7 day average cases is 31% less than the peak on 7/22 and about the same as the 1st week of July. Not sure where the next outbreak will occur - so far, pretty much any place that got hit hard hasn't gotten hit a 2nd time (yet). It seems to find places that haven't been impacted much before. A possible exception could be the state of Louisiana - but from what I understand, it was the New Orleans area that got crushed early on while it is the rest of the state that got crushed in July/August (while Orleans hasn't been nearly as bad).
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 21, 2020 8:25:01 GMT -5
You are manipulating data though. The new wave of cases are coming predominantly from the South, such as from Florida. So... Here are cases per 1M since the beginning: New Jersey - 21,225 New York - 21,990 Connecticut - 19,949 Massachusetts - 17,947 Florida - 27,405 Georgia - 23,239 South Carolina - 21,232 North Carolina - 14,292 Cases paints a very different picture. It also shows just how much more deadly this was early on (still deadly). On a positive side - overall cases in the US have been dropping with the peak being 7/22. 7 day average cases is 31% less than the peak on 7/22 and about the same as the 1st week of July. Not sure where the next outbreak will occur - so far, pretty much any place that got hit hard hasn't gotten hit a 2nd time (yet). It seems to find places that haven't been impacted much before. A possible exception could be the state of Louisiana - but from what I understand, it was the New Orleans area that got crushed early on while it is the rest of the state that got crushed in July/August (while Orleans hasn't been nearly as bad). But you also need to factor in the precise time frame here for each state you listed above, when the cases started spiking, when it decrease and which geographical regions had the most and least cases. To make the data meaningful. Simply looking at aggregate data like this doesn't tell us very much.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 21, 2020 8:37:26 GMT -5
Here are cases per 1M since the beginning: New Jersey - 21,225 New York - 21,990 Connecticut - 19,949 Massachusetts - 17,947 Florida - 27,405 Georgia - 23,239 South Carolina - 21,232 North Carolina - 14,292 Cases paints a very different picture. It also shows just how much more deadly this was early on (still deadly). On a positive side - overall cases in the US have been dropping with the peak being 7/22. 7 day average cases is 31% less than the peak on 7/22 and about the same as the 1st week of July. Not sure where the next outbreak will occur - so far, pretty much any place that got hit hard hasn't gotten hit a 2nd time (yet). It seems to find places that haven't been impacted much before. A possible exception could be the state of Louisiana - but from what I understand, it was the New Orleans area that got crushed early on while it is the rest of the state that got crushed in July/August (while Orleans hasn't been nearly as bad). But you also need to factor in the precise time frame here for each state you listed above, when the cases started spiking, when it decrease and which geographical regions had the most and least cases. It looks much similar to the US at large. If we look at the states that make up the South (7 day rolling totals). The peak was on 7/19 with 197,918 cases. Yesterday it was down to 106,460 cases for a 46% decrease. The 7 day rolling cases was roughly equal to 6/26. Pretty much a very even bell curve from 6/26 to 8/20 - with a peak on 7/19. If we look at Florida. The peak was 7/17 with 83,090 cases (7 day rolling). Yesterday, it was 31,465 - down 62% since the peak. Yesterday's rolling average is roughly equal to 6/26 with a near perfect looking bell curve.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 21, 2020 8:42:32 GMT -5
But you also need to factor in the precise time frame here for each state you listed above, when the cases started spiking, when it decrease and which geographical regions had the most and least cases. It looks much similar to the US at large. If we look at the states that make up the South (7 day rolling totals). The peak was on 7/19 with 197,918 cases. Yesterday it was down to 106,460 cases for a 46% decrease. The 7 day rolling cases was roughly equal to 6/26. Pretty much a very even bell curve from 6/26 to 8/20 - with a peak on 7/19. If we look at Florida. The peak was 7/17 with 83,090 cases (7 day rolling). Yesterday, it was 31,465 - down 62% since the peak. Yesterday's rolling average is roughly equal to 6/26 with a near perfect looking bell curve. I have some doubts about that data...
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