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Post by volleyballjim on Aug 12, 2020 20:12:32 GMT -5
Jim, regarding open hand, if a player put two hands together and contacted the ball to pop it up or over on a serve, is that considered illegal per CBVA? Or would you have to actually attempt to set it? Usually when I play, the first scenario is legal but the second isn't because like you and G2 have mentioned, it's just going to lead to more arguments and it's not worth it. Also if you can hand set a serve that well, you better be able to pass with your arms well. CBVA Rule 15.9 - If during reception of a serve, a player attempts to receive serve in an open handed setting motion, it is a fault.....SO, just the intent and formation of the hands sounds like the fault....
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Post by COVAlove on Aug 12, 2020 21:34:24 GMT -5
Another variation of this question that I battle often times at home is for some reason people in this region think that if you hand set a free ball On first contact it has to be immaculate. I argue that it simply can’t be a double contact or a lift just like any other handset. It isn’t and shouldn’t be called tighter just because the pass came from the opponent. But maybe I have it wrong.
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Post by sonofdogman on Aug 12, 2020 22:13:13 GMT -5
Another variation of this question that I battle often times at home is for some reason people in this region think that if you hand set a free ball On first contact it has to be immaculate. I argue that it simply can’t be a double contact or a lift just like any other handset. It isn’t and shouldn’t be called tighter just because the pass came from the opponent. But maybe I have it wrong. A handset is a handset is a handset. If double contact or lift occurs, it is a fault. Otherwise, play on. I don't care if it's a served ball, a free ball, a roll shot, a pass from your partner, whatever. If you can't handset cleanly, don't do it. All the rest is just local nonsense. The CBVA rule is a vestigial organ from a species of volleyball rules long since replaced by the standardized ruleset of international volleyball. I don't always like the ways the game has changed - I would love to still see 15 point sideout scoring on the beach - but it's the game. Deal with it or continue to believe that you simply know better than the rest of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 12:22:21 GMT -5
Another variation of this question that I battle often times at home is for some reason people in this region think that if you hand set a free ball On first contact it has to be immaculate. I argue that it simply can’t be a double contact or a lift just like any other handset. It isn’t and shouldn’t be called tighter just because the pass came from the opponent. But maybe I have it wrong. A handset is a handset is a handset. If double contact or lift occurs, it is a fault. Otherwise, play on. I don't care if it's a served ball, a free ball, a roll shot, a pass from your partner, whatever. If you can't handset cleanly, don't do it. All the rest is just local nonsense. The CBVA rule is a vestigial organ from a species of volleyball rules long since replaced by the standardized ruleset of international volleyball. I don't always like the ways the game has changed - I would love to still see 15 point sideout scoring on the beach - but it's the game. Deal with it or continue to believe that you simply know better than the rest of the world. I believe FIVB Beach rule states when hand set the ball must remain in continuous motion, hence the "deep-dish" is ok in most cases but mishandles are another matter.
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Post by wilsu on Aug 17, 2020 16:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Aug 17, 2020 16:44:29 GMT -5
A handset is a handset is a handset. If double contact or lift occurs, it is a fault. Otherwise, play on. I don't care if it's a served ball, a free ball, a roll shot, a pass from your partner, whatever. If you can't handset cleanly, don't do it. All the rest is just local nonsense. The CBVA rule is a vestigial organ from a species of volleyball rules long since replaced by the standardized ruleset of international volleyball. I don't always like the ways the game has changed - I would love to still see 15 point sideout scoring on the beach - but it's the game. Deal with it or continue to believe that you simply know better than the rest of the world. I believe FIVB Beach rule states when hand set the ball must remain in continuous motion, hence the "deep-dish" is ok in most cases but mishandles are another matter. Is FIVB still calling sets? Watching SPincil and Ana Patricia last year I just assumed they were not
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Aug 23, 2020 19:23:42 GMT -5
Many, many years ago when setting had to be pristine, I reffed a match with one of the top NorCal players. He served a tough ball that sailed on the receiver. The guy put his hands up, and I had those nasty two fingers at the ready. The ball came out absolutely nec-tar. After the point, the semi-pro just looked at me and nodded his head a few times. I also saw a guy playing a top level four-person at Santa Monica pier who played just backrow and handset almost every serve. He was amazing. I used to know his name, but the years, the years, the years!
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