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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 9:51:06 GMT -5
CJL at Iowa State fits this...not doing real well, but has had success.... Keller at SC is tbd Ulmer at Oregon Sanja at ASU ...kind of doing well now I'm sure there's others CJL yes. Wasn't Oregon in a Sweet 16 like two years before Ulmer took over? Agree and Washington was good when Cook took over and the cabinets weren’t bare in Columbus any means
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Post by volleav on Apr 27, 2021 9:59:37 GMT -5
Genuine question: What's our list of people who went from assistants at a top program (let's say top 10-15ish), got their first head job at a bad or losing Power 5 program, and did well? I feel like it's not a long list, but I could be wrong. Skinner, obviously. Oldenburg Sealy? UCLA was pretty good when he took over. Ditto for Keegan Cook. Not Power 5, but Dawn Sullivan at UNLV Christy Johnson-Lynch at Iowa State What's her face at Tennessee Eve Rackham
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 27, 2021 10:10:06 GMT -5
Not Power 5, but Dawn Sullivan at UNLV Christy Johnson-Lynch at Iowa State What's her face at Tennessee Eve Rackham Yeah, I think Eve is probably on her way.
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Post by n00b on Apr 27, 2021 10:30:30 GMT -5
CJL at Iowa State fits this...not doing real well, but has had success.... Keller at SC is tbd Ulmer at Oregon Sanja at ASU ...kind of doing well now I'm sure there's others CJL yes. Wasn't Oregon in a Sweet 16 like two years before Ulmer took over? And was in the national championship match not too long before. Ohio State was in the Sweet 16 in 2016 and had a top 10 recruiting class. Not really inheriting a struggling program... Even at Tennessee, they were a program with a history of success that only struggled recently. I don't think that's anything like taking over at Virginia.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 10:52:35 GMT -5
Genuine question: What's our list of people who went from assistants at a top program (let's say top 10-15ish), got their first head job at a bad or losing Power 5 program, and did well? I feel like it's not a long list, but I could be wrong. Skinner, obviously. Oldenburg Sealy? UCLA was pretty good when he took over. Ditto for Keegan Cook. Also a genuine questions, that I haven't researched and don't know the answer to; you just got me thinking. How many successful mid-major head coaches has taken over a STRUGGLING (I repeat struggling, so don't tell me Kelly at Wisconisin) Power 5 and been successful? Say in just the last 10-15 years we don't need to go way back. It got me thinking, is it the people or the jobs? Are some jobs just deistined to struggle because of resources/support/location? (i.e. Virginia, Miss State, etc)
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Post by dodger on Apr 27, 2021 10:58:29 GMT -5
When you hire Pettit to run the search, these are the people he knows. Not saying it’s good or bad, but he’s much more likely to know and recommend an assistant at a Top 15 program than a coach who has been excelling at a mid-major. Is there a track record of success for coaches he recommends that's better than places that do the work themselves? No
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 11:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by 6bucks on Apr 27, 2021 11:14:40 GMT -5
D3 opening in a states Capital I wonder, was it easy for you to get this information or did you have to go on a Crusade to find it?
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 27, 2021 11:15:18 GMT -5
Genuine question: What's our list of people who went from assistants at a top program (let's say top 10-15ish), got their first head job at a bad or losing Power 5 program, and did well? I feel like it's not a long list, but I could be wrong. Skinner, obviously. Oldenburg Sealy? UCLA was pretty good when he took over. Ditto for Keegan Cook. Also a genuine questions, that I haven't researched and don't know the answer to; you just got me thinking. How many successful mid-major head coaches has taken over a STRUGGLING (I repeat struggling, so don't tell me Kelly at Wisconisin) Power 5 and been successful? Say in just the last 10-15 years we don't need to go way back. The last five B1G finishes under Pete Waite: 7th 7th 10th 8th 10th That, to me, is absolutely a struggling program. Especially given it was an 11 and 12 team league when those finishes occurred. But to build a list: Collier at GT Fisher at Pitt Greeny at Wazzu Some places are forever screwed. I wouldn't put UVA on that list, by any means. Maybe they'll never be like their lacrosse, soccer, or men's basketball team, but they should be competing for ACC titles with the right staff and a little luck.
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Post by Friday on Apr 27, 2021 11:26:31 GMT -5
Genuine question: What's our list of people who went from assistants at a top program (let's say top 10-15ish), got their first head job at a bad or losing Power 5 program, and did well? I feel like it's not a long list, but I could be wrong. Skinner, obviously. Oldenburg Sealy? UCLA was pretty good when he took over. Ditto for Keegan Cook. Oldenburg was an AC but most recently a club coach before taking over at OSU
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Post by Friday on Apr 27, 2021 11:27:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Eve is probably on her way. Agree. I think Tennessee is turning the corner and will continue to compete in top third of SEC on the regular.
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Post by n00b on Apr 27, 2021 11:29:27 GMT -5
Also a genuine questions, that I haven't researched and don't know the answer to; you just got me thinking. How many successful mid-major head coaches has taken over a STRUGGLING (I repeat struggling, so don't tell me Kelly at Wisconisin) Power 5 and been successful? Say in just the last 10-15 years we don't need to go way back. The last five B1G finishes under Pete Waite: 7th 7th 10th 8th 10th That, to me, is absolutely a struggling program. Especially given it was an 11 and 12 team league when those finishes occurred. But to build a list: Collier at GT Fisher at Pitt Greeny at Wazzu Some places are forever screwed. I wouldn't put UVA on that list, by any means. Maybe they'll never be like their lacrosse, soccer, or men's basketball team, but they should be competing for ACC titles with the right staff and a little luck. They also already had the nation's #1 recruit committed to play in Madison. That says something about the program, even if Waite had bad seasons at the end of his run. The other schools you mentioned could never dream of something like that. Collier, Fisher and Greeny are great examples though. Tom Mendoza also made South Carolina much better really quickly.
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Post by volleyballer8992 on Apr 27, 2021 11:31:59 GMT -5
Was there ever a posting for this position?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 11:37:07 GMT -5
Was there ever a posting for this position? I don’t recall one
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 27, 2021 11:37:34 GMT -5
True, Wisconsin was one of the top 10 jobs in American volleyball when they hired Kelly, so it's a little different.
I guess my broader point is that maybe nobody knows anything. Those top 5-10 volleyball programs are just operating completely different than the bottom half of the power 5 and unless a school is going to commit to doing that, I can see it being a real uphill battle. Given that, I feel like a current HC with a track record of success is a better fit for a lot of these places. Perhaps it's better to grind it out with limited resources and apply those skills and experience to a job with greater financial backing than to step "down" to a place that can't and won't operate like the place you're leaving.
But as I said, maybe nobody knows anything. That includes me.
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