|
Post by n00b on Jan 26, 2021 18:16:04 GMT -5
That's why we have the bill of rights/14th amendment/etc, to prevent that sort of discrimination. Unless the government says it's really, really important. For example, Japanese internment camps and throwing people in jail for distributing anti-war leaflets.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:46:31 GMT -5
The problem is the antiquated system used to establish the Senate. There is simply no logical reason why North Dakota (672,000 pop.) and South Dakota (815,000 pop.) have a combined FOUR (4) U.S. Senators, while California (40,000,000 pop.) has TWO (2) Senators. Washington D.C. (5,322,000 pop.) has ZERO (0).
Don't get me started on it being a club of old white millionaire men.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:54:02 GMT -5
Sure there is. We are a union of states. The problem isn't the Senate. The problem is the people being elected and the POWER those Senators wield.
|
|
|
Post by mikegarrison on Jan 26, 2021 18:57:26 GMT -5
Don't get me started on it being a club of old white millionaire men. Don't blame me for that that. My state has elected two Senators who are old white WOMEN (at least one of whom, Maria Cantwell, is a dot-com boom multi-millionaire). Patty Murray has been in the Senate since 1993 and from what I can tell from online sources is not particularly wealthy. Patty Murray is interesting. She was on a school board for four years, then ran for the Washington State Senate and served four years there, and then ran for US Senate and has served 28 years there. When she first ran for US Senate she campaigned as being a "mom in tennis shoes" rather than a professional politician, but she's now the 3rd most senior Democrat (and 6th most senior overall) in the US Senate.
|
|
|
Post by BearClause on Jan 26, 2021 19:20:07 GMT -5
Don't get me started on it being a club of old white millionaire men. Don't blame me for that that. My state has elected two Senators who are old white WOMEN (at least one of whom, Maria Cantwell, is a dot-com boom multi-millionaire). Patty Murray has been in the Senate since 1993 and from what I can tell from online sources is not particularly wealthy. Patty Murray is interesting. She was on a school board for four years, then ran for the Washington State Senate and served four years there, and then ran for US Senate and has served 28 years there. When she first ran for US Senate she campaigned as being a "mom in tennis shoes" rather than a professional politician, but she's now the 3rd most senior Democrat (and 6th most senior overall) in the US Senate. I know Republicans make tons of claims about Chuck Schumer somehow being rich. Of course he could retire at any time and collect a lifetime pension, but he isn't otherwise rich. Kamala Harris had a lifetime of public service even though she could have cashed out as a private practice attorney. However, she did marry one, so I don't believe she's going to have a problem with finances.
|
|
|
The Senate
Jan 26, 2021 21:47:48 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by vup on Jan 26, 2021 21:47:48 GMT -5
āNarrow majorityā = 3M votes in 2016 and 7M votes in 2020.
|
|
|
Post by mikegarrison on Jan 26, 2021 22:20:19 GMT -5
Washington D.C. (5,322,000 pop.) has ZERO (0). Um, what? Unless something radically changed, Washington DC does not have 5 million people living there. According to Google/Wikipedia, the 2019 population count was 692,683. That's still more than several existing states. But it's not 5 million. You may be thinking of the entire metro area, which is in that range. But 90% of those people live in either Maryland or Virginia. The people who have no Senators are those in DC proper, and that's about 700,000.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 22:45:39 GMT -5
Washington D.C. (5,322,000 pop.) has ZERO (0). Um, what? Unless something radically changed, Washington DC does not have 5 million people living there. According to Google/Wikipedia, the 2019 population count was 692,683. That's still more than several existing states. But it's not 5 million. You may be thinking of the entire metro area, which is in that range. But 90% of those people live in either Maryland or Virginia. The people who have no Senators are those in DC proper, and that's about 700,000. You are correct. My error.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 22:47:11 GMT -5
So let's add Puerto Rico (3.19M pop.) 0 Senators.
|
|
|
The Senate
Jan 26, 2021 23:28:43 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 26, 2021 23:28:43 GMT -5
So let's add Puerto Rico (3.19M pop.) 0 Senators. Well of course, donāt you always cheat to win? You better add on DC while youāre at it. Thereās a bunch of crazy nut jobs in one small area. Good God.
|
|
|
Post by donut on Jan 26, 2021 23:40:22 GMT -5
You heard it here folks! Democracy = cheating!
|
|
|
Post by cindra on Jan 26, 2021 23:45:22 GMT -5
So let's add Puerto Rico (3.19M pop.) 0 Senators. Well of course, donāt you always cheat to win? You better add on DC while youāre at it. Thereās a bunch of crazy nut jobs in one small area. Good God. Why should US citizens be denied representation in congress?
|
|
|
Post by mikegarrison on Jan 26, 2021 23:47:19 GMT -5
Well of course, donāt you always cheat to win? You better add on DC while youāre at it. Thereās a bunch of crazy nut jobs in one small area. Good God. Why should US citizens be denied representation in congress? Because it's cheating not to let farmers in Western Nebraska be the only ones with a vote.
|
|
|
Post by jayj79 on Jan 26, 2021 23:50:45 GMT -5
Why should US citizens be denied representation in congress? I'm a US citizen and I don't have representation in congress. Just some party puppets that don't care squat about their actual constituents
|
|
|
Post by BearClause on Jan 27, 2021 0:18:10 GMT -5
Why should US citizens be denied representation in congress? Because it's cheating not to let farmers in Western Nebraska be the only ones with a vote. I see all these strange comments that try to prop up rural areas as if they should somehow be "more equal" even though there are fewer people. The lamest thing I've heard of would be people pointing out the number of counties in the United States that Trump won vs Biden. And that somehow Biden couldn't have won because of that disparity. I think anyone who really understands this would get that there are ton of rural counties with small populations that voted for Trump. Especially in states like Texas with a lot of tiny little counties. That's almost as arbitrary as how state lines are drawn. Some really don't like the idea of California splitting into 5 or 6 states, which would then increase the number of Senators. apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9853381784
|
|