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Post by azvb on May 28, 2022 22:05:37 GMT -5
Who is Callie Whitney???
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Post by bbg95 on May 28, 2022 22:11:35 GMT -5
She was a transfer from SLCC who never really played. |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 16:17:08 GMT -5
Correction: Claire not Callahan and Coast |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 16:24:05 GMT -5
Yah... That all seems accurate about the 17s team and the coaches playing all 12 players. My daughter is on a younger team and idolizes that team, so I watch this team very closely. She even likes to go back and look at their games and watch Jordyn Harvey over and over as she is an OH. That team can definitely win a national championship, but it will be hard with the way they work the line up. Now whether you think Claire Little is the best player as the Stadium article stated, she must be pretty high to be given an invitation to play on the US U21 training team with Coach Olmstead and she is coming our way. Next, the Stadium Talk article was written when Damuni was playing High school last year and had just won Region Player of the year for the 2nd time and played her 5-1 system. So, at that moment, she very well could have been the best in the state as she was able to play the entire floor. This year, I notice they play a 6-2 on this 17s team- so it is no wonder private services don't have her listed as high as the other players- She isn't doing what she would normally be doing. I know you seem to think she isn't a setter and only an athlete, but I sure beg to differ. She is by far the better setter on this team that could possibly win a national championship and still has a whole year left of high school. Lastly, it is very interesting that you have all that information about Brielle Miller being the 2nd best L on her team from their coaches? Hmmmmm. I think the way the coaches have worked this team, this year, will be the reason they don't win a national championship. They should be playing a 5-1 and have both L on the floor with the top hitters. They would kill every team, but the coaches want to play everyone and run a 6-2. They may still pull it off though? There is an influence on which players play on the national team's at the lower levels by who is coaching. Olmstead had a hand in putting Little on the team. Fisher had a hand putting his current setter on the same team, Fairbanks. She lead Pitt into the NCAA tourney and finished ranked 4th at the end of the year .... as a freshman ..... she wasn't good enough to be on the younger national team last year? Politics is still behind the scenes until the top team qualifies for the Olympics. Back to your topic of that really good Club V team. Yes, it is a feature of Club V that they play and roster more kids than any other clubs ranked ahead of them in the country. Money issue 100%. IMO it hurts them. Looks like they are the #38 ranked club in the nation. Damuni is a perfect example of how V hurts their top players. I agree with you that she is a 5-1 setter and if she works at it she can be elite. BTW I didn't say that she wasn't a setter, just said that she is an athlete first. I am saying that Bower (BYU) is a better setter right now, but right now Damuni is a better athlete. Not a knock on either of them. Yep, having your best passers on the floor in the backrow is huge if you want to win it all at nationals or in the NCAA's. Club V is known for their ability to develop Pin hitters. They are as good as any top club in that regard. They aren't known for developing L/DS/S. They limit playing time by splitting playing time 50% for each libero in the example you mentioned on that 17-1 team. They seem to do this a lot on other V teams also. Doesn't it dawn on them that when they get to nationals that the top players on the other side of the net have about 40% more touches over the course of the season than top V players who are splitting time and shouldn't be? I guess not. That is what second and 3rd teams are for. Put the girls who aren't the best down a team and give them all more playing time. They also don't teach their MB's how to run slides at an elite level because they are busying playing 6-2's and this is a huge disadvantage for Damuni. The other setter on that top 17 team isn't a 5-1 prototype setter and I doubt that she plays for any D-1 college past club. I have heard comments that she a favorite of the coach, but that isn't substantiated and may just be a feeling from some coaches on why a coach with a Damuni talent on their roster wastes their time playing a 6-2? Politics/revenue again is my bet. Why not allow the elite level athletes to play the most and also allow your team to finish as a true contender for a national open club championship? It is almost like V hasn't really won at the 16 - 18 national level and they don't know how. There were 2 good V teams in the 17's last year but coaches didn't put all the top players on one team. Result = no open national bid won. I think, but not positive about this, but the 2nd team won a national bid and placed high at nationals and it actually beat the #1 V 17 team a time or 2 during the season while the #1 team didn't attend nationals. I stand to be corrected there, but a Hive coach told me that info. There appears to not be a serious drive at V to win and play the best players all the time to get the job done, in favor of revenue. Splitting time every other set with the players on a roster is simply not done at high club level or in the NCAA's. Mystifying! My best guess is that this a personality decision of V's top coach. But all will be washed away if V can get a top 2 finish at nationals and erase all my comments! I just bet they will stumble and better coaches at the top clubs will put some real scouting into how to beat that V team. Callahan and Coast may be standing in the way of that V team! |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 16:24:37 GMT -5
Agree 100%
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Post by VB48 on May 29, 2022 17:13:47 GMT -5
Yah... That all seems accurate about the 17s team and the coaches playing all 12 players. My daughter is on a younger team and idolizes that team, so I watch this team very closely. She even likes to go back and look at their games and watch Jordyn Harvey over and over as she is an OH. That team can definitely win a national championship, but it will be hard with the way they work the line up. Now whether you think Claire Little is the best player as the Stadium article stated, she must be pretty high to be given an invitation to play on the US U21 training team with Coach Olmstead and she is coming our way. Next, the Stadium Talk article was written when Damuni was playing High school last year and had just won Region Player of the year for the 2nd time and played her 5-1 system. So, at that moment, she very well could have been the best in the state as she was able to play the entire floor. This year, I notice they play a 6-2 on this 17s team- so it is no wonder private services don't have her listed as high as the other players- She isn't doing what she would normally be doing. I know you seem to think she isn't a setter and only an athlete, but I sure beg to differ. She is by far the better setter on this team that could possibly win a national championship and still has a whole year left of high school. Lastly, it is very interesting that you have all that information about Brielle Miller being the 2nd best L on her team from their coaches? Hmmmmm. I think the way the coaches have worked this team, this year, will be the reason they don't win a national championship. They should be playing a 5-1 and have both L on the floor with the top hitters. They would kill every team, but the coaches want to play everyone and run a 6-2. They may still pull it off though? Interesting take. What makes you say that Damuni is by far the better setter? Does she run a better offense? Does she make better decisions? Is her location better? Does she run the middle better? Does she have better hands? Is she a better defender? |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 19:18:22 GMT -5
Yah... That all seems accurate about the 17s team and the coaches playing all 12 players. My daughter is on a younger team and idolizes that team, so I watch this team very closely. She even likes to go back and look at their games and watch Jordyn Harvey over and over as she is an OH. That team can definitely win a national championship, but it will be hard with the way they work the line up. Now whether you think Claire Little is the best player as the Stadium article stated, she must be pretty high to be given an invitation to play on the US U21 training team with Coach Olmstead and she is coming our way. Next, the Stadium Talk article was written when Damuni was playing High school last year and had just won Region Player of the year for the 2nd time and played her 5-1 system. So, at that moment, she very well could have been the best in the state as she was able to play the entire floor. This year, I notice they play a 6-2 on this 17s team- so it is no wonder private services don't have her listed as high as the other players- She isn't doing what she would normally be doing. I know you seem to think she isn't a setter and only an athlete, but I sure beg to differ. She is by far the better setter on this team that could possibly win a national championship and still has a whole year left of high school. Lastly, it is very interesting that you have all that information about Brielle Miller being the 2nd best L on her team from their coaches? Hmmmmm. I think the way the coaches have worked this team, this year, will be the reason they don't win a national championship. They should be playing a 5-1 and have both L on the floor with the top hitters. They would kill every team, but the coaches want to play everyone and run a 6-2. They may still pull it off though? Interesting take. What makes you say that Damuni is by far the better setter? Does she run a better offense? Does she make better decisions? Is her location better? Does she run the middle better? Does she have better hands? Is she a better defender? |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 19:21:30 GMT -5
Ummmmmm, from my watching this team and from so many others who watch the team, to include coaches from outside Club V.... All of the above. No setter is perfect obviously, so at any given time, some of that list could not apply. But, overall, and in the grand scheme of things... All of the above and especially when I see her playing a 5-1 system and not boxed into a 6-2 because you can add dumping and blocking to that list as well.
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 29, 2022 20:59:16 GMT -5
Interesting take. What makes you say that Damuni is by far the better setter? Does she run a better offense? Does she make better decisions? Is her location better? Does she run the middle better? Does she have better hands? Is she a better defender? I had to watch a little video to refresh my memory on that V-17 team. I called a former college player and coach who has won a number of state championships in UT HS. She has a background in club and with BYU. She directed me to other video of 4 setters in Utah who are in the upper echelon of Utah setters and with Damuni would comprise the top 5 in Utah. I also took another look at who is considered the best setter in CO (2022 - Stucky) and ID (2024 Bower). So here goes my efforts to answer your questions: Does Damuni run a better offense than the other setter on V 17? I think they are about equal in terms of decision making but the quicker the offense the better it is. Damuni runs a quicker paced offense because her contact point is about 8 inches, on average higher than the shorter setter. Damuni is a true jump setter and other girl isn't. You will find that Damuni will not get her hitters blocked as frequently at the shorter setter will. Is Damuni's location better? To the OH's yes .... to the MB's no .... to the Opp's yes. Quicker sets again are the rule. Does Damuni have better hands? It looks about equal in this dept as the ball comes out cleanly from both setters. Is Damuni a better defender? YES! She has great lateral movement and extreme coordination compared to the smaller setter. The smaller setter is good on defense IF the ball is hit right at her. If lateral movement is required then Damuni is way better. Also, you need to watch foot speed and ability to get to out of system balls for the second touch and Damuni excels in that arena also. Damuni can physically shoot the ball a farther distance, if needed, than the smaller setter because she is stronger. The perplexing question of V not running a 5-1 is probably three fold in terms of answers. 1) Money to the club with a bigger roster (they appear to carry 3 coaches on that V team and I have never noticed that many coaches on a V team before - so more revenue needed) 2) The 6-2 allows 2 Opp's to play and allows the 2 setters to both have playing time. It does appear that the V head coach knows Damuni is the better setter because she plays first in every set I have seen and he allows her to play front row in the first couple of rotations. After having watched 4 of their matches on video I will make another comment. It appears that this team could not only run a 5-1 and win a national championship, but they probably have more than a couple of players playing out of position. The the taller Opp (going to Ark) should be playing OH (2) and Mia should be playing Opp with Damuni in a 5-1. They could certainly bring a legit MB up from the 17-2 team who also appears to have qualified for nationals. The 17-1 team is playing 2 girls at Opp and OH who aren't good enough to be on the team and it will bite them at nationals IMO. They aren't elite level and they play every other set. My Hive contact said that one of the smaller girls (OH) was a package deal with the Harvey sisters so she has to play. The smaller Opp is the daughter of another coach at V. The Utah HS coach told me that the OPP (1) used to play for the Club V coach in HS and she moved to another HS to get away from his program. That could be why she is playing Opp instead of OH where she should be. He needs her, but wants her to know he is in charge. So, politics appear to be alive and well in the biggest club in Utah. This V team will be an anomaly with a high national finish because the power clubs simply don't allow that kind of thinking to go into putting together a national level team. With the big clubs the owners stay out of coaching the top teams (V appears to not follow that line of thought ..... another money issue?). So, IMO V will produce an elite national open level team about every 8-10 years with just the natural flow of athletes coming through your state if they all continue to go to V as their club of choice. College programs may attempt to lure the V coach away if he has a big finish this year at nationals. That would be interesting. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 29, 2022 21:08:04 GMT -5
Yes, hopefully Bower is healthy for this upcoming season. Yah, along with playing time, some players don't seem to pan out with the BYU and all the rules combined with their playtime. Oh and yes, there is another Bower sister coming up but not sure how you think she will just come in and take the reins. Oh I know there will be a battle. You do seem to have a lot of inside information on all types of areas from behind the scenes to talking with coaches about personal information regarding players, etc. I guess time will tell if all your information and research pans out. Go Cougs!!! Damuni is good and will get better at BYU. But don't underestimate the connection of that Bower family to Olmstead. It is legendary around the west coast. It will be very interesting this year at OH to see who emerges with the other Bower OH. Many people around the WCC have been told directly from BYU coaches that Olmstead thinks W Bower could play on the US Olympic team. She really believes that and the younger sister, from everything I have seen is more advanced than Whitney at the same age. So, don't be surprised if Damuni has a battle on her hands. 2024 is the first year Damuni and the younger Bower will have a chance to be starting at BYU unless W Bower gets injured in 2023-2024 season. The politics won't be in Damuni's favor and I can guarantee you that Bower will be on a full ride. Olmstead can't afford to tick of the Bower mom and all of the Idaho Crush influence for future players and contacts. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 29, 2022 21:19:31 GMT -5
She was a DS who never saw the court at BYU and just hung out for 2 years on the team. Shouldn't have been recruited and took up a roster spot for others who were out of HS and could have developed into good passers. BYU would have been better off to have invited 2-3 walk-ons to see if they could have found a "keeper" that way. |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 23:35:08 GMT -5
I had to watch a little video to refresh my memory on that V-17 team. I called a former college player and coach who has won a number of state championships in UT HS. She has a background in club and with BYU. She directed me to other video of 4 setters in Utah who are in the upper echelon of Utah setters and with Damuni would comprise the top 5 in Utah. I also took another look at who is considered the best setter in CO (2022 - Stucky) and ID (2024 Bower). So here goes my efforts to answer your questions: Does Damuni run a better offense than the other setter on V 17? I think they are about equal in terms of decision making but the quicker the offense the better it is. Damuni runs a quicker paced offense because her contact point is about 8 inches, on average higher than the shorter setter. Damuni is a true jump setter and other girl isn't. You will find that Damuni will not get her hitters blocked as frequently at the shorter setter will. Is Damuni's location better? To the OH's yes .... to the MB's no .... to the Opp's yes. Quicker sets again are the rule. Does Damuni have better hands? It looks about equal in this dept as the ball comes out cleanly from both setters. Is Damuni a better defender? YES! She has great lateral movement and extreme coordination compared to the smaller setter. The smaller setter is good on defense IF the ball is hit right at her. If lateral movement is required then Damuni is way better. Also, you need to watch foot speed and ability to get to out of system balls for the second touch and Damuni excels in that arena also. Damuni can physically shoot the ball a farther distance, if needed, than the smaller setter because she is stronger. The perplexing question of V not running a 5-1 is probably three fold in terms of answers. 1) Money to the club with a bigger roster (they appear to carry 3 coaches on that V team and I have never noticed that many coaches on a V team before - so more revenue needed) 2) The 6-2 allows 2 Opp's to play and allows the 2 setters to both have playing time. It does appear that the V head coach knows Damuni is the better setter because she plays first in every set I have seen and he allows her to play front row in the first couple of rotations. After having watched 4 of their matches on video I will make another comment. It appears that this team could not only run a 5-1 and win a national championship, but they probably have more than a couple of players playing out of position. The the taller Opp (going to Ark) should be playing OH (2) and Mia should be playing Opp with Damuni in a 5-1. They could certainly bring a legit MB up from the 17-2 team who also appears to have qualified for nationals. The 17-1 team is playing 2 girls at Opp and OH who aren't good enough to be on the team and it will bite them at nationals IMO. They aren't elite level and they play every other set. My Hive contact said that one of the smaller girls (OH) was a package deal with the Harvey sisters so she has to play. The smaller Opp is the daughter of another coach at V. The Utah HS coach told me that the OPP (1) used to play for the Club V coach in HS and she moved to another HS to get away from his program. That could be why she is playing Opp instead of OH where she should be. He needs her, but wants her to know he is in charge. So, politics appear to be alive and well in the biggest club in Utah. This V team will be an anomaly with a high national finish because the power clubs simply don't allow that kind of thinking to go into putting together a national level team. With the big clubs the owners stay out of coaching the top teams (V appears to not follow that line of thought ..... another money issue?). So, IMO V will produce an elite national open level team about every 8-10 years with just the natural flow of athletes coming through your state if they all continue to go to V as their club of choice. College programs may attempt to lure the V coach away if he has a big finish this year at nationals. That would be interesting. |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 23:35:29 GMT -5
I had to watch a little video to refresh my memory on that V-17 team. I called a former college player and coach who has won a number of state championships in UT HS. She has a background in club and with BYU. She directed me to other video of 4 setters in Utah who are in the upper echelon of Utah setters and with Damuni would comprise the top 5 in Utah. I also took another look at who is considered the best setter in CO (2022 - Stucky) and ID (2024 Bower). So here goes my efforts to answer your questions: Does Damuni run a better offense than the other setter on V 17? I think they are about equal in terms of decision making but the quicker the offense the better it is. Damuni runs a quicker paced offense because her contact point is about 8 inches, on average higher than the shorter setter. Damuni is a true jump setter and other girl isn't. You will find that Damuni will not get her hitters blocked as frequently at the shorter setter will. Is Damuni's location better? To the OH's yes .... to the MB's no .... to the Opp's yes. Quicker sets again are the rule. Does Damuni have better hands? It looks about equal in this dept as the ball comes out cleanly from both setters. Is Damuni a better defender? YES! She has great lateral movement and extreme coordination compared to the smaller setter. The smaller setter is good on defense IF the ball is hit right at her. If lateral movement is required then Damuni is way better. Also, you need to watch foot speed and ability to get to out of system balls for the second touch and Damuni excels in that arena also. Damuni can physically shoot the ball a farther distance, if needed, than the smaller setter because she is stronger. The perplexing question of V not running a 5-1 is probably three fold in terms of answers. 1) Money to the club with a bigger roster (they appear to carry 3 coaches on that V team and I have never noticed that many coaches on a V team before - so more revenue needed) 2) The 6-2 allows 2 Opp's to play and allows the 2 setters to both have playing time. It does appear that the V head coach knows Damuni is the better setter because she plays first in every set I have seen and he allows her to play front row in the first couple of rotations. After having watched 4 of their matches on video I will make another comment. It appears that this team could not only run a 5-1 and win a national championship, but they probably have more than a couple of players playing out of position. The the taller Opp (going to Ark) should be playing OH (2) and Mia should be playing Opp with Damuni in a 5-1. They could certainly bring a legit MB up from the 17-2 team who also appears to have qualified for nationals. The 17-1 team is playing 2 girls at Opp and OH who aren't good enough to be on the team and it will bite them at nationals IMO. They aren't elite level and they play every other set. My Hive contact said that one of the smaller girls (OH) was a package deal with the Harvey sisters so she has to play. The smaller Opp is the daughter of another coach at V. The Utah HS coach told me that the OPP (1) used to play for the Club V coach in HS and she moved to another HS to get away from his program. That could be why she is playing Opp instead of OH where she should be. He needs her, but wants her to know he is in charge. So, politics appear to be alive and well in the biggest club in Utah. This V team will be an anomaly with a high national finish because the power clubs simply don't allow that kind of thinking to go into putting together a national level team. With the big clubs the owners stay out of coaching the top teams (V appears to not follow that line of thought ..... another money issue?). So, IMO V will produce an elite national open level team about every 8-10 years with just the natural flow of athletes coming through your state if they all continue to go to V as their club of choice. College programs may attempt to lure the V coach away if he has a big finish this year at nationals. That would be interesting. |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 23:35:51 GMT -5
I had to watch a little video to refresh my memory on that V-17 team. I called a former college player and coach who has won a number of state championships in UT HS. She has a background in club and with BYU. She directed me to other video of 4 setters in Utah who are in the upper echelon of Utah setters and with Damuni would comprise the top 5 in Utah. I also took another look at who is considered the best setter in CO (2022 - Stucky) and ID (2024 Bower). So here goes my efforts to answer your questions: Does Damuni run a better offense than the other setter on V 17? I think they are about equal in terms of decision making but the quicker the offense the better it is. Damuni runs a quicker paced offense because her contact point is about 8 inches, on average higher than the shorter setter. Damuni is a true jump setter and other girl isn't. You will find that Damuni will not get her hitters blocked as frequently at the shorter setter will. Is Damuni's location better? To the OH's yes .... to the MB's no .... to the Opp's yes. Quicker sets again are the rule. Does Damuni have better hands? It looks about equal in this dept as the ball comes out cleanly from both setters. Is Damuni a better defender? YES! She has great lateral movement and extreme coordination compared to the smaller setter. The smaller setter is good on defense IF the ball is hit right at her. If lateral movement is required then Damuni is way better. Also, you need to watch foot speed and ability to get to out of system balls for the second touch and Damuni excels in that arena also. Damuni can physically shoot the ball a farther distance, if needed, than the smaller setter because she is stronger. The perplexing question of V not running a 5-1 is probably three fold in terms of answers. 1) Money to the club with a bigger roster (they appear to carry 3 coaches on that V team and I have never noticed that many coaches on a V team before - so more revenue needed) 2) The 6-2 allows 2 Opp's to play and allows the 2 setters to both have playing time. It does appear that the V head coach knows Damuni is the better setter because she plays first in every set I have seen and he allows her to play front row in the first couple of rotations. After having watched 4 of their matches on video I will make another comment. It appears that this team could not only run a 5-1 and win a national championship, but they probably have more than a couple of players playing out of position. The the taller Opp (going to Ark) should be playing OH (2) and Mia should be playing Opp with Damuni in a 5-1. They could certainly bring a legit MB up from the 17-2 team who also appears to have qualified for nationals. The 17-1 team is playing 2 girls at Opp and OH who aren't good enough to be on the team and it will bite them at nationals IMO. They aren't elite level and they play every other set. My Hive contact said that one of the smaller girls (OH) was a package deal with the Harvey sisters so she has to play. The smaller Opp is the daughter of another coach at V. The Utah HS coach told me that the OPP (1) used to play for the Club V coach in HS and she moved to another HS to get away from his program. That could be why she is playing Opp instead of OH where she should be. He needs her, but wants her to know he is in charge. So, politics appear to be alive and well in the biggest club in Utah. This V team will be an anomaly with a high national finish because the power clubs simply don't allow that kind of thinking to go into putting together a national level team. With the big clubs the owners stay out of coaching the top teams (V appears to not follow that line of thought ..... another money issue?). So, IMO V will produce an elite national open level team about every 8-10 years with just the natural flow of athletes coming through your state if they all continue to go to V as their club of choice. College programs may attempt to lure the V coach away if he has a big finish this year at nationals. That would be interesting. |
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Post by vvv on May 29, 2022 23:40:25 GMT -5
Wow!! That is interesting. I haven't done all the homework, but am a part of the younger team in Club V, so this report does seem to make sense all the way around and it will be such a shame if this team could have won a national championship and with 3 of their players heading to BYU. I don't want to jinx it though, because maybe they can pull it off somehow. But, your suggestions actually seem to make sense as I look at the team a little closer.
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