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Post by vvv on May 30, 2022 0:13:14 GMT -5
What is your assessment of the Libero, Miller, coming to BYU. Do you think she is the 2nd best like mentioned in an earlier post? I see her and the first L go in and out per set and it looks like whoever wins the set, plays the 3rd? With Akana not coming, maybe Miller may play sooner?
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Post by VB48 on May 30, 2022 12:22:47 GMT -5
I had to watch a little video to refresh my memory on that V-17 team. I called a former college player and coach who has won a number of state championships in UT HS. She has a background in club and with BYU. She directed me to other video of 4 setters in Utah who are in the upper echelon of Utah setters and with Damuni would comprise the top 5 in Utah. I also took another look at who is considered the best setter in CO (2022 - Stucky) and ID (2024 Bower). So here goes my efforts to answer your questions: Does Damuni run a better offense than the other setter on V 17? I think they are about equal in terms of decision making but the quicker the offense the better it is. Damuni runs a quicker paced offense because her contact point is about 8 inches, on average higher than the shorter setter. Damuni is a true jump setter and other girl isn't. You will find that Damuni will not get her hitters blocked as frequently at the shorter setter will. Is Damuni's location better? To the OH's yes .... to the MB's no .... to the Opp's yes. Quicker sets again are the rule. Does Damuni have better hands? It looks about equal in this dept as the ball comes out cleanly from both setters. Is Damuni a better defender? YES! She has great lateral movement and extreme coordination compared to the smaller setter. The smaller setter is good on defense IF the ball is hit right at her. If lateral movement is required then Damuni is way better. Also, you need to watch foot speed and ability to get to out of system balls for the second touch and Damuni excels in that arena also. Damuni can physically shoot the ball a farther distance, if needed, than the smaller setter because she is stronger. The perplexing question of V not running a 5-1 is probably three fold in terms of answers. 1) Money to the club with a bigger roster (they appear to carry 3 coaches on that V team and I have never noticed that many coaches on a V team before - so more revenue needed) 2) The 6-2 allows 2 Opp's to play and allows the 2 setters to both have playing time. It does appear that the V head coach knows Damuni is the better setter because she plays first in every set I have seen and he allows her to play front row in the first couple of rotations. After having watched 4 of their matches on video I will make another comment. It appears that this team could not only run a 5-1 and win a national championship, but they probably have more than a couple of players playing out of position. The the taller Opp (going to Ark) should be playing OH (2) and Mia should be playing Opp with Damuni in a 5-1. They could certainly bring a legit MB up from the 17-2 team who also appears to have qualified for nationals. The 17-1 team is playing 2 girls at Opp and OH who aren't good enough to be on the team and it will bite them at nationals IMO. They aren't elite level and they play every other set. My Hive contact said that one of the smaller girls (OH) was a package deal with the Harvey sisters so she has to play. The smaller Opp is the daughter of another coach at V. The Utah HS coach told me that the OPP (1) used to play for the Club V coach in HS and she moved to another HS to get away from his program. That could be why she is playing Opp instead of OH where she should be. He needs her, but wants her to know he is in charge. So, politics appear to be alive and well in the biggest club in Utah. This V team will be an anomaly with a high national finish because the power clubs simply don't allow that kind of thinking to go into putting together a national level team. With the big clubs the owners stay out of coaching the top teams (V appears to not follow that line of thought ..... another money issue?). So, IMO V will produce an elite national open level team about every 8-10 years with just the natural flow of athletes coming through your state if they all continue to go to V as their club of choice. College programs may attempt to lure the V coach away if he has a big finish this year at nationals. That would be interesting. Interesting take on Damuni vs the other setter. I agree with some and disagree with some. Just an FYI, almost all of your inside information is incorrect from both the Hive coach and the Utah HS coach. Neither Opp has ever played for the V coach in high school, neither has transferred, the smaller outside and the Harvey's were not a package deal, and the bigger Opp has played Opposite for the last 3 years in club, and played MB before that. May want to check your sources... |
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 30, 2022 12:26:12 GMT -5
If I were a good DS/L I would just try to get on the practice floor at BYU. All-World will probably get on me because she/he is Coach Olmstead's personal body guard, but BYU hasn't recruited a really good L or DS since Heather has taken over as head coach. M Allen was good but not really good. This isn't a knock on Olmstead personally. Sometimes a coach needs to recognize where they are strong/weak and plug an assistant coach into the the role of weakness. In this case, BYU skipped over a couple of big-time DS/L's from outside of Utah and those girls are now committed elsewhere. Heather, or the staff, or both just have a hard time evaluating talent on the backrow. IT is what it is. But Miller is as good as anybody on the BYU roster so if I were her, it is a great decision to attend BYU. The proto-type BYU kid persona appears to fit her and probably doesn't fit the other L on the V17 team. In watching video's last night I kept coming up with video of the 2nd V 17 team because of my youtube search. That is why I said that they have a MB who should be on the 1 team and Mia Lee should be an Opp. That second team also has some big talent in the L/DS role. So there are players available to BYU right out their backdoor. The issue is one of evaluating them correctly or not. If I were BYU I would get several candidates for the L position and let them fight it out. I would also bring in a completely different type of DS than they have recruited in the past. A taller 5'9" - 5' 11" passer who can also hit well out of the backrow. It would give BYU a lot of options. But that would be the goal AFTER I find a L who can play elite level vb. I would ask Morgan Bower and Abbey Dayton to leave the roster because they have had their chance and they are taking up roster spots which can be used for girls to come and compete for DS/L spots that don't have any clear favorite or are simply are being manned by the next best player, not really good players. Neither one of these girls are even average passers off the back row. Get rid of the dead weight! One other comment about BYU (and it applies to lots of other schools as well) but when they list their roster, list the correct heights please! Heather G isn't 6'5" and W Bower is only 5'6". Damuni is a solid 2 inches taller than Bower.
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 30, 2022 13:16:49 GMT -5
I had to watch a little video to refresh my memory on that V-17 team. I called a former college player and coach who has won a number of state championships in UT HS. She has a background in club and with BYU. She directed me to other video of 4 setters in Utah who are in the upper echelon of Utah setters and with Damuni would comprise the top 5 in Utah. I also took another look at who is considered the best setter in CO (2022 - Stucky) and ID (2024 Bower). So here goes my efforts to answer your questions: Does Damuni run a better offense than the other setter on V 17? I think they are about equal in terms of decision making but the quicker the offense the better it is. Damuni runs a quicker paced offense because her contact point is about 8 inches, on average higher than the shorter setter. Damuni is a true jump setter and other girl isn't. You will find that Damuni will not get her hitters blocked as frequently at the shorter setter will. Is Damuni's location better? To the OH's yes .... to the MB's no .... to the Opp's yes. Quicker sets again are the rule. Does Damuni have better hands? It looks about equal in this dept as the ball comes out cleanly from both setters. Is Damuni a better defender? YES! She has great lateral movement and extreme coordination compared to the smaller setter. The smaller setter is good on defense IF the ball is hit right at her. If lateral movement is required then Damuni is way better. Also, you need to watch foot speed and ability to get to out of system balls for the second touch and Damuni excels in that arena also. Damuni can physically shoot the ball a farther distance, if needed, than the smaller setter because she is stronger. The perplexing question of V not running a 5-1 is probably three fold in terms of answers. 1) Money to the club with a bigger roster (they appear to carry 3 coaches on that V team and I have never noticed that many coaches on a V team before - so more revenue needed) 2) The 6-2 allows 2 Opp's to play and allows the 2 setters to both have playing time. It does appear that the V head coach knows Damuni is the better setter because she plays first in every set I have seen and he allows her to play front row in the first couple of rotations. After having watched 4 of their matches on video I will make another comment. It appears that this team could not only run a 5-1 and win a national championship, but they probably have more than a couple of players playing out of position. The the taller Opp (going to Ark) should be playing OH (2) and Mia should be playing Opp with Damuni in a 5-1. They could certainly bring a legit MB up from the 17-2 team who also appears to have qualified for nationals. The 17-1 team is playing 2 girls at Opp and OH who aren't good enough to be on the team and it will bite them at nationals IMO. They aren't elite level and they play every other set. My Hive contact said that one of the smaller girls (OH) was a package deal with the Harvey sisters so she has to play. The smaller Opp is the daughter of another coach at V. The Utah HS coach told me that the OPP (1) used to play for the Club V coach in HS and she moved to another HS to get away from his program. That could be why she is playing Opp instead of OH where she should be. He needs her, but wants her to know he is in charge. So, politics appear to be alive and well in the biggest club in Utah. This V team will be an anomaly with a high national finish because the power clubs simply don't allow that kind of thinking to go into putting together a national level team. With the big clubs the owners stay out of coaching the top teams (V appears to not follow that line of thought ..... another money issue?). So, IMO V will produce an elite national open level team about every 8-10 years with just the natural flow of athletes coming through your state if they all continue to go to V as their club of choice. College programs may attempt to lure the V coach away if he has a big finish this year at nationals. That would be interesting. Interesting take on Damuni vs the other setter. I agree with some and disagree with some. Just an FYI, almost all of your inside information is incorrect from both the Hive coach and the Utah HS coach. Neither Opp has ever played for the V coach in high school, neither has transferred, the smaller outside and the Harvey's were not a package deal, and the bigger Opp has played Opposite for the last 3 years in club, and played MB before that. May want to check your sources... Speaking of sources, I just confirmed that the taller Opp on V 17-1 (Ruy) did in fact play at Peak Lone HS as a freshman and moved away from the program. That shouldn't be hard for you to find out. This 2nd confirmation is from a Utah college coach. I never mentioned anything about the shorter Opp on V 17 playing for the V coach in HS. I also didn't make a comment about how many years (Ruy) Opp played Opp before this year or the fact that she played MB when she was 12 years old. What I did say is that she should be at OH on this V team. But thanks for answering the unasked questions. BTW, you can look up the top 16 V team (Ren Andrew) from last club season and watch Ruy play OH. I also looked up Hive's top 16 team from last season and I see the shorter OH playing with Hive and the Harvey sisters as an OH. So, the package deal theory has more ammo than not. Other than the really good MB (Neb) off that Hive team, V took all the talent off Hive for this years V 17's team. Probably not an accident. If V could have gotten the Mendelson girl can you imagine what kind of team this years 17 V team would be? Anyway, if I am wrong I will stand corrected but I don't think I am wrong here. 2 very connected coaches in UT have said the same thing. Off topic, but while looking at pics of the Peak HS team, it appears that the shorter V 17 setter plays for Carlson in HS also. That fact may enter the conversation on playing time and 6-2 vs 5-1 debates. |
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Post by VB48 on May 30, 2022 13:50:12 GMT -5
Interesting take on Damuni vs the other setter. I agree with some and disagree with some. Just an FYI, almost all of your inside information is incorrect from both the Hive coach and the Utah HS coach. Neither Opp has ever played for the V coach in high school, neither has transferred, the smaller outside and the Harvey's were not a package deal, and the bigger Opp has played Opposite for the last 3 years in club, and played MB before that. May want to check your sources... Speaking of sources, I just confirmed that the taller Opp on V 17-1 (Ruy) did in fact play at Peak Lone HS as a freshman and moved away from the program. That shouldn't be hard for you to find out. This 2nd confirmation is from a Utah college coach. I never mentioned anything about the shorter Opp on V 17 playing for the V coach in HS. I also didn't make a comment about how many years (Ruy) Opp played Opp before this year or the fact that she played MB when she was 12 years old. What I did say is that she should be at OH on this V team. But thanks for answering the unasked questions. BTW, you can look up the top 16 V team (Ren Andrew) from last club season and watch Ruy play OH. I also looked up Hive's top 16 team from last season and I see the shorter OH playing with Hive and the Harvey sisters as an OH. So, the package deal theory has more ammo than not. Other than the really good MB (Neb) off that Hive team, V took all the talent off Hive for this years V 17's team. Probably not an accident. If V could have gotten the Mendelson girl can you imagine what kind of team this years 17 V team would be? Anyway, if I am wrong I will stand corrected but I don't think I am wrong here. 2 very connected coaches in UT have said the same thing. Off topic, but while looking at pics of the Peak HS team, it appears that the shorter V 17 setter plays for Carlson in HS also. That fact may enter the conversation on playing time and 6-2 vs 5-1 debates. Ruy plays at Woodscross, and has played there all 3 years, including when she was a freshman. She never played for Lone Peak or attended Lone Peak. As you say, it is not hard to check, but since I watched her play at Woodscross as a freshman, I don't need to. The smaller setter goes to Lone Peak. Yep, adding Maggie to that team would have been a pretty big deal. What the hell, I looked it up for you, and Maxpreps shows Ruy on the 2019-2020 roster, when she was a freshman: www.maxpreps.com/ut/woods-cross/woods-cross-wildcats/volleyball/19-20/roster/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 13:54:49 GMT -5
Heather G isn't 6'5" and W Bower is only 5'6". Damuni is a solid 2 inches taller than Bower.[/quote]
No homie, Heather G grew an inch on her mission. She is 6’ 5”
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Post by rrvbfan on May 30, 2022 14:03:24 GMT -5
Speaking of sources, I just confirmed that the taller Opp on V 17-1 (Ruy) did in fact play at Peak Lone HS as a freshman and moved away from the program. That shouldn't be hard for you to find out. This 2nd confirmation is from a Utah college coach. I never mentioned anything about the shorter Opp on V 17 playing for the V coach in HS. I also didn't make a comment about how many years (Ruy) Opp played Opp before this year or the fact that she played MB when she was 12 years old. What I did say is that she should be at OH on this V team. But thanks for answering the unasked questions. BTW, you can look up the top 16 V team (Ren Andrew) from last club season and watch Ruy play OH. I also looked up Hive's top 16 team from last season and I see the shorter OH playing with Hive and the Harvey sisters as an OH. So, the package deal theory has more ammo than not. Other than the really good MB (Neb) off that Hive team, V took all the talent off Hive for this years V 17's team. Probably not an accident. If V could have gotten the Mendelson girl can you imagine what kind of team this years 17 V team would be? Anyway, if I am wrong I will stand corrected but I don't think I am wrong here. 2 very connected coaches in UT have said the same thing. Off topic, but while looking at pics of the Peak HS team, it appears that the shorter V 17 setter plays for Carlson in HS also. That fact may enter the conversation on playing time and 6-2 vs 5-1 debates. Ruy plays at Woodscross, and has played there all 3 years, including when she was a freshman. She never played for Lone Peak or attended Lone Peak. As you say, it is not hard to check, but since I watched her play at Woodscross as a freshman, I don't need to. The smaller setter goes to Lone Peak. Yep, adding Maggie to that team would have been a pretty big deal. I think mendelsons basketball commitments would have made mendelson moving to v difficult. But it would have been crazy to see. (No inside knowledge, just knowing the commitment v requires) |
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Post by bbg95 on May 30, 2022 14:36:38 GMT -5
Heather G isn't 6'5" and W Bower is only 5'6". Damuni is a solid 2 inches taller than Bower. No homie, Heather G grew an inch on her mission. She is 6’ 5” Also, I'm not exactly sure how tall Whitney Bower is, but she has to be taller than 5'6" if she's listed at 5'9". I can see a team rounding a player's height up to the next inch or maybe adding an inch, but they're not guys on dating apps lying about their height by three full inches. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 30, 2022 15:43:53 GMT -5
Speaking of sources, I just confirmed that the taller Opp on V 17-1 (Ruy) did in fact play at Peak Lone HS as a freshman and moved away from the program. That shouldn't be hard for you to find out. This 2nd confirmation is from a Utah college coach. I never mentioned anything about the shorter Opp on V 17 playing for the V coach in HS. I also didn't make a comment about how many years (Ruy) Opp played Opp before this year or the fact that she played MB when she was 12 years old. What I did say is that she should be at OH on this V team. But thanks for answering the unasked questions. BTW, you can look up the top 16 V team (Ren Andrew) from last club season and watch Ruy play OH. I also looked up Hive's top 16 team from last season and I see the shorter OH playing with Hive and the Harvey sisters as an OH. So, the package deal theory has more ammo than not. Other than the really good MB (Neb) off that Hive team, V took all the talent off Hive for this years V 17's team. Probably not an accident. If V could have gotten the Mendelson girl can you imagine what kind of team this years 17 V team would be? Anyway, if I am wrong I will stand corrected but I don't think I am wrong here. 2 very connected coaches in UT have said the same thing. Off topic, but while looking at pics of the Peak HS team, it appears that the shorter V 17 setter plays for Carlson in HS also. That fact may enter the conversation on playing time and 6-2 vs 5-1 debates. Ruy plays at Woodscross, and has played there all 3 years, including when she was a freshman. She never played for Lone Peak or attended Lone Peak. As you say, it is not hard to check, but since I watched her play at Woodscross as a freshman, I don't need to. The smaller setter goes to Lone Peak. Yep, adding Maggie to that team would have been a pretty big deal. What the hell, I looked it up for you, and Maxpreps shows Ruy on the 2019-2020 roster, when she was a freshman: www.maxpreps.com/ut/woods-cross/woods-cross-wildcats/volleyball/19-20/roster/Well you are certainly correct about Ruy playing as a freshman at Woodscross. I inquired again with the Utah college coach I asked about it the first time and he told me that Ruy left the Lone Peak boundaries right before her 9th grade year because she didn't want to play for that school. He might have told me that exact same thing the first time, but I just had it in my mind that she left as a freshman ..... when she really was graduated from her 8th grade year and but hadn't actually started her freshman year. Someone up there has to know that family or someone with knowledge of this being true. Just ask them if they lived in the Peak boundries and moved to "Woodscross" for the freshman year. The coach says he knows he is correct. I will leave it at that. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 30, 2022 15:53:32 GMT -5
Heather G isn't 6'5" and W Bower is only 5'6". Damuni is a solid 2 inches taller than Bower. No homie, Heather G grew an inch on her mission. She is 6’ 5”[/quote] Well if she grew on her church mission then BYU missed it in last season's program (after she was already home from her mission) because they only listed her at 6'4" |
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Post by VB48 on May 30, 2022 15:54:58 GMT -5
Ruy plays at Woodscross, and has played there all 3 years, including when she was a freshman. She never played for Lone Peak or attended Lone Peak. As you say, it is not hard to check, but since I watched her play at Woodscross as a freshman, I don't need to. The smaller setter goes to Lone Peak. Yep, adding Maggie to that team would have been a pretty big deal. What the hell, I looked it up for you, and Maxpreps shows Ruy on the 2019-2020 roster, when she was a freshman: www.maxpreps.com/ut/woods-cross/woods-cross-wildcats/volleyball/19-20/roster/Well you are certainly correct about Ruy playing as a freshman at Woodscross. I inquired again with the Utah college coach I asked about it the first time and he told me that Ruy left the Lone Peak boundaries right before her 9th grade year because she didn't want to play for that school. He might have told me that exact same thing the first time, but I just had it in my mind that she left as a freshman ..... when she really was graduated from her 8th grade year and but hadn't actually started her freshman year. Someone up there has to know that family or someone with knowledge of this being true. Just ask them if they lived in the Peak boundries and moved to "Woodscross" for the freshman year. The coach says he knows he is correct. I will leave it at that. Your coaching connection is wrong. She did not leave the Lone Peak boundary and move 45 minutes away to avoid playing for Lone Peak or Reed. I know the family, and they moved from the Alpine area up to Bountiful, but it had nothing to do with volleyball. Total fabrication on his part. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 30, 2022 16:27:38 GMT -5
Well you are certainly correct about Ruy playing as a freshman at Woodscross. I inquired again with the Utah college coach I asked about it the first time and he told me that Ruy left the Lone Peak boundaries right before her 9th grade year because she didn't want to play for that school. He might have told me that exact same thing the first time, but I just had it in my mind that she left as a freshman ..... when she really was graduated from her 8th grade year and but hadn't actually started her freshman year. Someone up there has to know that family or someone with knowledge of this being true. Just ask them if they lived in the Peak boundries and moved to "Woodscross" for the freshman year. The coach says he knows he is correct. I will leave it at that. Your coaching connection is wrong. She did not leave the Lone Peak boundary and move 45 minutes away to avoid playing for Lone Peak or Reed. I know the family, and they moved from the Alpine area up to Bountiful, but it had nothing to do with volleyball. Total fabrication on his part. Interesting that you did know that the family moved out of the district before she started playing for the Carlson as a freshman. That gives me solace that my source isn't off his rocker! He thinks that the family wanted to get to a different environment from a vb perspective. You don't think he is correct. I don't know either. But I am just glad that there was truth to the fact that the girl left Lone Peak area and moved to another HS .... because that was what I was told. I was also told that Carlson coached Ruy in club right before she left the HS district. My fault for extrapolating that she left during or after her freshman year. On another point, I just finished watching the Long Beach tourney. Club V 17 tied for 3rd with DriveNation. Sunshine and wave played for the championship and Sunshine is back in the top 5 after this win. High level play by all the final 8 teams. The constant switching of lineups is amazing with V but he may have invented a new and better way to keep a team fresh. Watch him win it all and if he does, there will be a lot of clubs wanting to speak to Carlson about philosophy. |
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Post by vvv on May 30, 2022 20:02:22 GMT -5
Your coaching connection is wrong. She did not leave the Lone Peak boundary and move 45 minutes away to avoid playing for Lone Peak or Reed. I know the family, and they moved from the Alpine area up to Bountiful, but it had nothing to do with volleyball. Total fabrication on his part. Interesting that you did know that the family moved out of the district before she started playing for the Carlson as a freshman. That gives me solace that my source isn't off his rocker! He thinks that the family wanted to get to a different environment from a vb perspective. You don't think he is correct. I don't know either. But I am just glad that there was truth to the fact that the girl left Lone Peak area and moved to another HS .... because that was what I was told. I was also told that Carlson coached Ruy in club right before she left the HS district. My fault for extrapolating that she left during or after her freshman year. On another point, I just finished watching the Long Beach tourney. Club V 17 tied for 3rd with DriveNation. Sunshine and wave played for the championship and Sunshine is back in the top 5 after this win. High level play by all the final 8 teams. The constant switching of lineups is amazing with V but he may have invented a new and better way to keep a team fresh. Watch him win it all and if he does, there will be a lot of clubs wanting to speak to Carlson about philosophy. |
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Post by vvv on May 30, 2022 20:05:30 GMT -5
Yup- V got 3rd, but we watched the game on Flovolleyball and he did not keep a team fresh with this method. They could have won the entire JVL if he followed more of what was suggested in the above post. If you watch the last game that they go to 3 with Wave. They are ahead and the first rotation goes out, in comes the second who never leaves the floor. They entirely fall apart and lose 7-15. This is not a philosophy coaches are adapting, if they want to win a national championship. If they win.... it will be despite of this system, not because of it. No other top team does this with players out of position and liberos in and out and a 6-2. Third is great, but not when you have a team that could easily take first. Bottomline.
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