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Post by marnvbc2 on May 31, 2022 19:51:37 GMT -5
Yup- V got 3rd, but we watched the game on Flovolleyball and he did not keep a team fresh with this method. They could have won the entire JVL if he followed more of what was suggested in the above post. If you watch the last game that they go to 3 with Wave. They are ahead and the first rotation goes out, in comes the second who never leaves the floor. They entirely fall apart and lose 7-15. This is not a philosophy coaches are adapting, if they want to win a national championship. If they win.... it will be despite of this system, not because of it. No other top team does this with players out of position and liberos in and out and a 6-2. Third is great, but not when you have a team that could easily take first. Bottomline. I didn't watch the V match vs Wave. Interesting perspective on the results. You need to remember that V doesn't appear to have had any high top 10 Open finishes in their 16-18's with the exception of the Covid JVA where there was almost no big clubs competing. So maybe a top 10 finish this year is just fine with them. They might not even know how good of a team they could have? As a club coach, I try to keep an eye on the competition and when you see something that is so out of the ordinary it makes you remember it. The V 17 rotation is so odd that it is either genius or the product of a coaches personality. I would be more inclined to think that there is merit to the madness if the players on V were more equal than they are. I am not calling the rotations crazy but either the coach simply doesn't watch his competition closely or he simply doesn't care what others are doing because he is totally into what he wants to do with his team from an ego standpoint. Sometimes bold breakthroughs are made in sports by "crazy" coaches who have totally different ideas. So, he might be a vb savant or something or he may just have the vb world's biggest ego. We will have to see what unfolds at nationals because it probably isn't fair to judge the situation before the "final" test of nationals. I am guessing Carlson always coaches the top teams at V. If I have time I might look back at the last few years and see if this rotation thing is done year over year?? Maybe this is the first year of the experiment? |
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 31, 2022 22:28:19 GMT -5
Responding to marnvbc2 I think the criticism of Eden Bower seems a bit personal with strange digs at her HS and club teams somehow correlating to what she can be at BYU. Her HS team this year beat the Utah 6a State Champs, Oregon 6a State Champs, won ID state championship, went 5-1 in Durango beating Assumption and barely lost the 1 match to a quality team. Chatter at the tourney from recruiters was Eden and her teammate (2024 Oregon commit) were 2 of the most physical hitters in the tourney and we're formidable. Edens HS team finished #13 in the country (AVCA USA Today) despite only really having 3 high level players. They consistently beat much deeper teams. The MV Utah loss (barely in 5 sets) was their 1st match of the season and MV already had several matches/tourney under their belt. The Crush 18 team actually was starting a few 16 year olds and was very undersized at middle. The Crush 17 team that Eden was on later in the season still had several 16 year olds and sometimes used 15 year olds and did indeed beat some Club V teams and did quite well the last part of the season. Eden's passing has steadily improved as she has played catch up from missing an entire year. Not an excuse...a fact. Although her jumping isn't elite she has a really big wing span reach and does indeed touch 10'5 which will only get better as she puts in the work. I could be wrong but I think she's gonna do well. Could be a year or 2 but she will get there in my opinion. Thanks for the insight on Eden. Speaking of which, she was just named the Gatorade Player of the Year for Idaho. Everything that is a realistic synopsis of BYU women's vb irritates you. I can point out 1 good thing about the program and one item that isn't good and you go off on a personal attack as if you are one of their coaches. Especially if it is a comment about a Bower. Eden Bower was the only player on the Crush 17 team whose age made them play up. That is a fact. She is one year older than her contemporary players and should have been in the class of 2021. That isn't a knock on her or her mom for holding her back. The 4th Bower is actually almost 2 years older than her classmates and she will turn 18 this year and still be a junior in the fall at her HS. The NIT in Kansas City almost threw the Bower team out of the tourney because the mom raided other Idaho clubs to get players onto her roster to play with her daughters, among other issues of roster discrepancies. She is getting a reputation for this kind of behavior. She is very competitive and that is a good thing. Being hyper competitive in ways that irritate event organizers and other clubs isn't a good thing. I am happy that Gatorade selected E Bower as the best player in ID. The conversation about E Bower has been whether or not she will be able to play OH at BYU as a 6 rotation player. Can she pass, can she block, and can she hit over legit blockers as a D-1 player? That is the conversation. If you could cite the wins of the Bower 17 last year over top 40 open club teams I would like to see the info. I did a quick look up and I didn't find any wins and furthermore, not that I am a Club V supporter, but you said Bower 17 team beat V teams and that doesn't appear to have happened at all. Both V 17 teams beat Bower 17 multiple times and they were in the same power league according to aes. I think W Bower is a very good setter. She is driven and energetic and hustles on every play. She was promised the starting job when she was in HS. Her mom and Heather decided to have her graduate early so she could attend BYU. BYU had 2 older setters in the program who Heather recruited and weren't deemed good enough to lead the program. W Bower is a liability with her blocking no matter how much you don't want to admit it. She has great hustle but that is different that speed. She isn't fast to balls, but her hustle hides that fact. Her accuracy is inconsistent but she has moments of greatness. She is getting predictable with her dumps on passes that are close to the net and they work great against WCC competition but not against elite opponents like Pitt and Purdue. She will be BYU's setter the next 2 years and we will see if she can stay healthy and what BYU can do with her leadership these 2 seasons. As she gets more refined she will probably lead BYU into the final 4 or elite 8. That is what great setters do. Part of the Bower issue is that there are 3 of them on the team. One of them should never have been recruited and at the least, she should be asked to move aside and allow her roster spot to be taken by another DS/L to give the program a shot at finding a gem. We all know that won't happen because Heather won't tick off the Bower mom. Eden is the unknown and if she becomes a starter in year 1 or 2 we will be able to see for ourselves how she matches up with elite players. Hopefully she will do well. But if a non Bower player has an issue we are free to point it out on these boards ..... Bowers make up 1/5 of the roster so they shouldn't be exempt from comments just because you take a personal affront to them .... |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 22:42:06 GMT -5
Literally who is marnvbc2 and why are their posts only at least 1 page
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Post by vvv on May 31, 2022 23:20:51 GMT -5
Good points...
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Post by beba on Jun 1, 2022 11:43:49 GMT -5
If BYU would just recruit the best 5 recruits in the country every year, and make sure none of them ever get injured or go on missions or transfer, and develop them into the best players in the world, and get out of the WCC and join the BIG and schedule all the best teams, and get the highest RPI, we would win the "natty" every single year!!!!!
See how easy it is? I am so volleyball smart.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 11:51:19 GMT -5
If BYU would just recruit the best 5 recruits in the country every year, and make sure none of them ever get injured or go on missions or transfer, and develop them into the best players in the world, and get out of the WCC and join the BIG and schedule all the best teams, and get the highest RPI, we would win the "natty" every single year!!!!! See how easy it is? I am so volleyball smart. Lmaoooo that part |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2022 12:02:25 GMT -5
So Pitt released its schedule, and there is a discrepancy between their schedule and Cincinnati's. Both have them going to the BYU tournament the first weekend of September, but Pitt lists the fourth team as Utah State, while Cincinnati lists it as UVU. I tend to think Pitt may be right on this one (Cincinnati also has two of the three games listed as being played in Cincinnati, and that's obviously not true). UVU is so close to BYU that they can be scheduled at any time during the season (and I think they will be on the schedule). Also, Dan Fisher and Heather Olmstead are coaching together right now, so I think he would probably know. We'll see, but if so, then congrats to Utah State for improving enough for Olmstead to once again agree to put her alma mater on the schedule. |
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Post by beba on Jun 1, 2022 12:03:54 GMT -5
Pitt is correct.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2022 12:09:14 GMT -5
That's what I figured. Thanks. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2022 12:31:36 GMT -5
Literally who is marnvbc2 and why are their posts only at least 1 page No idea who they are, nor do I want to know. But clearly someone who has an axe to grind with Heather Olmstead and/or the Bowers. And someone who doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on facts or logic or at least someone who lets their biases alter their ability to reason. Like this notion that Olmstead somehow plays favorites with the Bowers is laughable when we consider that Morgan Bower hasn't played much and has played less in each subsequent season. Whitney Bower plays a lot because she's one of the best setters in the country. If she wasn't getting the job done, Olmstead would try someone else. Also, this appears to be their second account, as there was someone in the 2020 BYU thread (starting on page 9) that had a lot of bizarre criticisms of Olmstead and the Bowers that are very similar to the ones that they keep putting forth on this thread. |
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Post by silverchloride on Jun 1, 2022 12:54:59 GMT -5
Yup- V got 3rd, but we watched the game on Flovolleyball and he did not keep a team fresh with this method. They could have won the entire JVL if he followed more of what was suggested in the above post. If you watch the last game that they go to 3 with Wave. They are ahead and the first rotation goes out, in comes the second who never leaves the floor. They entirely fall apart and lose 7-15. This is not a philosophy coaches are adapting, if they want to win a national championship. If they win.... it will be despite of this system, not because of it. No other top team does this with players out of position and liberos in and out and a 6-2. Third is great, but not when you have a team that could easily take first. Bottomline. Having been in LB and with 17s Open, NO ONE could have "easily" won anything. Every match was a battle, and more often than not, went to a third set. |
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Post by silverchloride on Jun 1, 2022 12:57:03 GMT -5
Yup- V got 3rd, but we watched the game on Flovolleyball and he did not keep a team fresh with this method. They could have won the entire JVL if he followed more of what was suggested in the above post. If you watch the last game that they go to 3 with Wave. They are ahead and the first rotation goes out, in comes the second who never leaves the floor. They entirely fall apart and lose 7-15. This is not a philosophy coaches are adapting, if they want to win a national championship. If they win.... it will be despite of this system, not because of it. No other top team does this with players out of position and liberos in and out and a 6-2. Third is great, but not when you have a team that could easily take first. Bottomline. I didn't watch the V match vs Wave. Interesting perspective on the results. You need to remember that V doesn't appear to have had any high top 10 Open finishes in their 16-18's with the exception of the Covid JVA where there was almost no big clubs competing. So maybe a top 10 finish this year is just fine with them. They might not even know how good of a team they could have? As a club coach, I try to keep an eye on the competition and when you see something that is so out of the ordinary it makes you remember it. The V 17 rotation is so odd that it is either genius or the product of a coaches personality. I would be more inclined to think that there is merit to the madness if the players on V were more equal than they are. I am not calling the rotations crazy but either the coach simply doesn't watch his competition closely or he simply doesn't care what others are doing because he is totally into what he wants to do with his team from an ego standpoint. Sometimes bold breakthroughs are made in sports by "crazy" coaches who have totally different ideas. So, he might be a vb savant or something or he may just have the vb world's biggest ego. We will have to see what unfolds at nationals because it probably isn't fair to judge the situation before the "final" test of nationals. I am guessing Carlson always coaches the top teams at V. If I have time I might look back at the last few years and see if this rotation thing is done year over year?? Maybe this is the first year of the experiment? I believe the Club V 17s Head Coach is a woman =) |
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 1, 2022 13:30:14 GMT -5
If BYU would just recruit the best 5 recruits in the country every year, and make sure none of them ever get injured or go on missions or transfer, and develop them into the best players in the world, and get out of the WCC and join the BIG and schedule all the best teams, and get the highest RPI, we would win the "natty" every single year!!!!! See how easy it is? I am so volleyball smart. "we would win the natty every single year!!!!!" Why would you think that? Isn't that what Texas already does? |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2022 13:33:19 GMT -5
If BYU would just recruit the best 5 recruits in the country every year, and make sure none of them ever get injured or go on missions or transfer, and develop them into the best players in the world, and get out of the WCC and join the BIG and schedule all the best teams, and get the highest RPI, we would win the "natty" every single year!!!!! See how easy it is? I am so volleyball smart. "we would win the natty every single year!!!!!" Why would you think that? Isn't that what Texas already does? Well, in this hypothetical scenario, "develop them into the best players in the world" would include developing good passers. Now, Texas may have figured out a way around this deficiency by just getting Zoe Fleck or someone of that ilk to transfer into the program. |
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Post by azvb on Jun 1, 2022 13:39:18 GMT -5
Literally who is marnvbc2 and why are their posts only at least 1 page I think they stayed at a Holiday Inn last night 😉. |
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