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Post by vvv on Jul 10, 2022 1:20:03 GMT -5
Hopefully Erin can do the job as you mentioned... Seems like she is setting herself up to do so. Interesting reflection on the Nationals and the V system. I haven't watched any of their games yet, but have heard the exact same things you are saying. Those middles are no joke! I would like to go back and watch the Coast semi-final also. But, your synopsis seems to sum up the V system....realtalk
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Post by rrvbfan on Jul 10, 2022 9:39:13 GMT -5
Speaking of passing, Erin Livingston put up a story on the team's Instagram account indicating that she has been working on her passing the most while training with the US Women's Collegiate National Team. That reminded me that BYU in all likelihood will have a new pin passing six rotations, now that the ones they had the last couple of seasons have graduated. It seems like Livingston may be the most likely option for that. Also, another exciting thing for BYU is that Livingston actually has three more seasons of eligibility, since she redshirted in 2019, and the spring 2020 season didn't count for eligibility. Livingston is a player I like also. She has a disciplined approach and was more consistent than Nixon last year. Stowell, Calahan and E Bower will be right in the mix. From a hitting standpoint, Bower has a bigger presence if the timing is right and with her sister setting to her, she will be ahead in the learning dept. As I predicted the younger Bower setter will be on scholarship with Olmstead and Co. Silina is a better athlete than A Bower and I believe a better setter. She hasn't been trained as well by Club V as Bower has been by her mom. I am afraid that SD will learn that non vb matters will end up being more important in the BYU program. I had a number of opportunities to talk to coaches and watch these players last week and found out some interesting tidbits on some players, club coaches and college coach opinions. I believe that the “assistant” on that team is also damunis hs coach and Reed is the other setters hs coach. |
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Post by alpo on Jul 10, 2022 11:31:48 GMT -5
BYU has a new volunteer assistant coach. Edit: apparently, her uncle is The Rock. Yes, that one. Also, she was Pac-12 setter of the year for Arizona in 2016. This is a promising development for BYU. It is a sign that Heather may be giving a little control away to other coaches in the setting dept. I hear that she is a good talent evaluator. |
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Post by alpo on Jul 10, 2022 11:40:21 GMT -5
It definitely matters at the margins. And getting into Texas should help. BYU hasn't had many players from Texas in their history. Agree that moving to the BIG12 is a big positive for BYU. One issue that women's vb has at BYU is that in the recruiting dept they have relied on the religion link for far too long and just expect girls will come into their program without lots of effort on the coaches part. The issue of a religion link is still part of the recruiting...but, isn't the overall driving factor anymore. I have had a firsthand look at the fact that BYU cannot rely on the religion link...and has learned after the Elaine Michaelis era that relying solely on the religion aspect and "LDS girls will come to BYU without much work" isn't viable. Too many of the talented LDS girls getting offers from legitimate strong programs...so BYU has learned to recruit hard and strong in order to compete. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 10, 2022 13:28:02 GMT -5
Agree that moving to the BIG12 is a big positive for BYU. One issue that women's vb has at BYU is that in the recruiting dept they have relied on the religion link for far too long and just expect girls will come into their program without lots of effort on the coaches part. The issue of a religion link is still part of the recruiting...but, isn't the overall driving factor anymore. I have had a firsthand look at the fact that BYU cannot rely on the religion link...and has learned after the Elaine Michaelis era that relying solely on the religion aspect and "LDS girls will come to BYU without much work" isn't viable. Too many of the talented LDS girls getting offers from legitimate strong programs...so BYU has learned to recruit hard and strong in order to compete. Generally speaking, I think BYU coaches still focus on getting as much top LDS talent as possible while supplementing with non-LDS players that nonetheless are still good fits for the university. I would call this the LaVell Edwards model, as he built BYU's football brand this way, which resulted in an excellent two decade run and a national title. In volleyball, RJP is one of the best examples, as she isn't LDS but was from Salt Lake City and ended up being one of the two or three best players in the country by her senior year. I think that is the right approach to take, though I think some coaches could be broadening their horizons a bit more. Women's soccer in particular is a great program that I don't think has recruited as nationally (and internationally) as it could have. |
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Post by mintonetteman on Jul 11, 2022 12:11:05 GMT -5
Just saying I love the emphasis on being a high contact. I think the high contact is hyper important going into the Big 12. Big big part of Livinston's success is her high contact. Part of the reason I was sooo big on Claire Little and Eden Bower is the same. I thought I read where Eden Bower touches 10'6 or 10'7, I think Claire Little is a high too (I think I asked BBG if he could confirm both E. Bower and E. Livinston and others currently on the team--I would also love confirmation on Kate Prior and what H. Gneating is at now a full year post mission. Mia Lee's is 10'7 and I am getting super excited about Kemanor who is obviously super high--BTW, if I am a big time middle BYU is clearly my destination school--LDS or not LDS. That is why I can't figure out the negativity on Heather Olmstead as a recruiter. I get the DS/Lib issues (and I am the first to complain on that issue)--but everything else has been stellar IMO.
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Post by vvv on Jul 11, 2022 12:16:39 GMT -5
Actually... very good points here. My questions on the Non LDS is that many of them who seem to get here happily, but don't quite enjoy the LDS vibe with honor code, etc. Some thrive, but haven't quite a few left who were not LDS? Just thinking out loud with no real numbers or stats to provide though.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 11, 2022 12:27:00 GMT -5
Just saying I love the emphasis on being a high contact. I think the high contact is hyper important going into the Big 12. Big big part of Livinston's success is her high contact. Part of the reason I was sooo big on Claire Little and Eden Bower is the same. I thought I read where Eden Bower touches 10'6 or 10'7, I think Claire Little is a high too (I think I asked BBG if he could confirm both E. Bower and E. Livinston and others currently on the team--I would also love confirmation on Kate Prior and what H. Gneating is at now a full year post mission. Mia Lee's is 10'7 and I am getting super excited about Kemanor who is obviously super high--BTW, if I am a big time middle BYU is clearly my destination school--LDS or not LDS. That is why I can't figure out the negativity on Heather Olmstead as a recruiter. I get the DS/Lib issues (and I am the first to complain on that issue)--but everything else has been stellar IMO. I'm not sure on anyone's reported jump height except for Mia Lee at 10'7.5" and Brielle Kemavor at 10'8", though I could try to look into it. |
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Post by mintonetteman on Jul 11, 2022 12:31:53 GMT -5
Come on BBG95 you are my BYU insider--I am counting on you  |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 11, 2022 12:33:39 GMT -5
Come on BBG95 you are my BYU insider--I am counting on you Lol, I'm not an insider. I'm just a fan. I don't know anyone on the current team or coaching staff. The players I knew personally are long graduated. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 11, 2022 12:43:43 GMT -5
Generally speaking, I think BYU coaches still focus on getting as much top LDS talent as possible while supplementing with non-LDS players that nonetheless are still good fits for the university. I would call this the LaVell Edwards model, as he built BYU's football brand this way, which resulted in an excellent two decade run and a national title. In volleyball, RJP is one of the best examples, as she isn't LDS but was from Salt Lake City and ended up being one of the two or three best players in the country by her senior year. I think that is the right approach to take, though I think some coaches could be broadening their horizons a bit more. Women's soccer in particular is a great program that I don't think has recruited as nationally (and internationally) as it could have. That National Championship was quite weak. Beat one ranked team all year. Squeaked by a 6-5 team playing their 2nd string QB in the Holiday Bowl 24-17. Weak or not, it still counts. 1984 was an unusual year at the top, similar to 1990 and 2007. 1984 produced a consensus national champion from the WAC, and 2007 produced a two-loss champion in LSU. 1990 had a split national title between 11-0-1 Georgia Tech and a Colorado team that had a loss, a tie, and a fifth down. But those were the best options in the eyes of the voters in their respective years. Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good. BYU was both. And if BYU hadn't already established itself as a strong program in the previous decade, it's doubtful they would have gotten the voters to pick them. In a year where there was no team from a power conference that really deserved the national title, BYU was the school that never lost. In the end, that was enough. |
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Post by mintonetteman on Jul 11, 2022 13:51:25 GMT -5
Come on BBG95 you are my BYU insider--I am counting on you Don't burst my bubble...LOL, that is the only reason I log onto this board to get the scoop from BBG95!!!! |
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Post by mintonetteman on Jul 11, 2022 13:56:22 GMT -5
That National Championship was quite weak. Beat one ranked team all year. Squeaked by a 6-5 team playing their 2nd string QB in the Holiday Bowl 24-17. Weak or not, it still counts. 1984 was an unusual year at the top, similar to 1990 and 2007. 1984 produced a consensus national champion from the WAC, and 2007 produced a two-loss champion in LSU. 1990 had a split national title between 11-0-1 Georgia Tech and a Colorado team that had a loss, a tie, and a fifth down. But those were the best options in the eyes of the voters in their respective years. Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good. BYU was both. And if BYU hadn't already established itself as a strong program in the previous decade, it's doubtful they would have gotten the voters to pick them. In a year where there was no team from a power conference that really deserved the national title, BYU was the school that never lost. In the end, that was enough. Not a BYU football guy...know very little on the subject. But it seems like a really really weird comparison. Volleyball IMO is so unique (even between men and women's). I think even comparing it to basketball or lacrosse doesn't work well. For one point, football doesn't even have a tournament. By the way, I need one of those "BYU is a volleyball school" shirts that the BYU TV guys have. Can you buy those? |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 11, 2022 14:07:49 GMT -5
Weak or not, it still counts. 1984 was an unusual year at the top, similar to 1990 and 2007. 1984 produced a consensus national champion from the WAC, and 2007 produced a two-loss champion in LSU. 1990 had a split national title between 11-0-1 Georgia Tech and a Colorado team that had a loss, a tie, and a fifth down. But those were the best options in the eyes of the voters in their respective years. Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good. BYU was both. And if BYU hadn't already established itself as a strong program in the previous decade, it's doubtful they would have gotten the voters to pick them. In a year where there was no team from a power conference that really deserved the national title, BYU was the school that never lost. In the end, that was enough. Not a BYU football guy...know very little on the subject. But it seems like a really really weird comparison. Volleyball IMO is so unique (even between men and women's). I think even comparing it to basketball or lacrosse doesn't work well. For one point, football doesn't even have a tournament. By the way, I need one of those "BYU is a volleyball school" shirts that the BYU TV guys have. Can you buy those? I'm not trying to directly compare football and volleyball. My original point is that the model that LaVell Edwards used to build BYU's football program (get as much top LDS talent as possible and supplement with talented non-LDS players who are good fits for the school) is applicable to all BYU sports. The 2018 women's volleyball team is a good example, as it was largely made up with a lot of talented LDS players, but the team's superstar (RJP) was famously not LDS. With the exception of cross country (and even there, the women's coach is not LDS, and they just signed the No. 1 recruit in the country who is also not LDS--not sure on the men's side), I'm not sure if it's possible for BYU to win a national championship entirely with LDS athletes. As for the t-shirts, I'm not sure if you can buy them. I've noticed that athletes tend to have much more attractive gear than what is typically for sale to the public. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 11, 2022 15:31:36 GMT -5
Come on BBG95 you are my BYU insider--I am counting on you Don't burst my bubble...LOL, that is the only reason I log onto this board to get the scoop from BBG95!!!! Haha, sorry to disappoint. I have a degree in journalism and used to be a sports reporter, so I'm pretty good at tracking down publicly available information. I'm flattered that you thought I was an insider, but I'm not. In fact, I think you're more of an insider, as it seems that you have club volleyball contacts that have connections to BYU. I do appreciate when you post on this thread, though, as you have very interesting insights and observations. |
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