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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 0:57:17 GMT -5
Livingston is a player I like also. She has a disciplined approach and was more consistent than Nixon last year. Stowell, Calahan and E Bower will be right in the mix. From a hitting standpoint, Bower has a bigger presence if the timing is right and with her sister setting to her, she will be ahead in the learning dept. As I predicted the younger Bower setter will be on scholarship with Olmstead and Co. Silina is a better athlete than A Bower and I believe a better setter. She hasn't been trained as well by Club V as Bower has been by her mom. I am afraid that SD will learn that non vb matters will end up being more important in the BYU program. I had a number of opportunities to talk to coaches and watch these players last week and found out some interesting tidbits on some players, club coaches and college coach opinions. I believe that the “assistant” on that team is also damunis hs coach and Reed is the other setters hs coach. Yes, I believe that you are correct. The asst coach had her daughter on the V 17 team but she didn't get much playing time until the over worked and over played Opp got a stress fracture. The smaller setter had no business being in the same gym as the starters on the V team. I just can't fathom the thought process on why Carlson would run a 6-2! The V MB's have all the athletic ability in the world and they could easily run slides and prepare for the college game. Not only that, but they had several girls out of position and probably on the wrong team at V. They simply got beat because of poor talent evaluation/positions and someone has an ego that didn't allow common sense to prevail with this V team. One of their small pin hitters had a dad who is a V coach and I am making an educated guess that politics and personal likes had a big part in the make up of this team. Too bad because they could have won it all rather easily with a couple of obvious changes. I would love to see Carlson go on to college but I don't think any major program would hire the brothers. They are best suited to be club coaches. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 1:09:40 GMT -5
Just saying I love the emphasis on being a high contact. I think the high contact is hyper important going into the Big 12. Big big part of Livinston's success is her high contact. Part of the reason I was sooo big on Claire Little and Eden Bower is the same. I thought I read where Eden Bower touches 10'6 or 10'7, I think Claire Little is a high too (I think I asked BBG if he could confirm both E. Bower and E. Livinston and others currently on the team--I would also love confirmation on Kate Prior and what H. Gneating is at now a full year post mission. Mia Lee's is 10'7 and I am getting super excited about Kemanor who is obviously super high--BTW, if I am a big time middle BYU is clearly my destination school--LDS or not LDS. That is why I can't figure out the negativity on Heather Olmstead as a recruiter. I get the DS/Lib issues (and I am the first to complain on that issue)--but everything else has been stellar IMO. David Hyte is the biggest reason that BYU MB's are the strength of the team and have been for his tenure. Heather allows him to choose and he does it at a high level. He didn't recruit the Jeppson girl that went to Notre Dame and then decommitted and went to Pitt. He saw right through that PR game. V sold her and I bet that she will never be an impact player at Pitt. Even Utah didn't bite. She was a Carlson favorite as was the Jardine girl who left Wisc after a year. Couldn't pass and that isn't tolerated at Wisc. BTW it appears that Utah grabbed the L off the V -2 team. How's that for a prediction, Beba? It will be interesting to see what the future holds on that decision vs the BYU Miller choice. Utah also took the undersized pin hitter off the V 1 team who may have protentional as a DS but not as an elite pin hitter. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 1:26:06 GMT -5
Just saying I love the emphasis on being a high contact. I think the high contact is hyper important going into the Big 12. Big big part of Livinston's success is her high contact. Part of the reason I was sooo big on Claire Little and Eden Bower is the same. I thought I read where Eden Bower touches 10'6 or 10'7, I think Claire Little is a high too (I think I asked BBG if he could confirm both E. Bower and E. Livinston and others currently on the team--I would also love confirmation on Kate Prior and what H. Gneating is at now a full year post mission. Mia Lee's is 10'7 and I am getting super excited about Kemanor who is obviously super high--BTW, if I am a big time middle BYU is clearly my destination school--LDS or not LDS. That is why I can't figure out the negativity on Heather Olmstead as a recruiter. I get the DS/Lib issues (and I am the first to complain on that issue)--but everything else has been stellar IMO. I'm not sure on anyone's reported jump height except for Mia Lee at 10'7.5" and Brielle Kemavor at 10'8", though I could try to look into it. These jump heights are over hyped and usually poorly measured. Some clubs allow the girls to run and jump, others enforce 4 steps max and others believe in the block touch almost exclusively. I like the block touch measurement as it usually gives a glimpse of explosiveness and straight up jumping ability. Almost no hitters can attack the ball and keep their follow through from carrying them into the net like it would on the jump touch measurement standards that allow them to touch and fly forward 4 - 6 feet. Very unrealistic. I would be very surprised, in fact shocked would be more like it, if Mia Lee is a MB at BYU. She shouldn't have been one on the V team and if she wasn't a MB V would have been a better team. She was a great MB at club but she was out of position. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 1:28:14 GMT -5
Kemavor will be a project at BYU. Not sure if she will make it. She is big and tall but the trademark of BYU MB's is being agile and quick of foot. She struggles in both of those dept's.....
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Post by rrvbfan on Jul 12, 2022 1:38:20 GMT -5
Just saying I love the emphasis on being a high contact. I think the high contact is hyper important going into the Big 12. Big big part of Livinston's success is her high contact. Part of the reason I was sooo big on Claire Little and Eden Bower is the same. I thought I read where Eden Bower touches 10'6 or 10'7, I think Claire Little is a high too (I think I asked BBG if he could confirm both E. Bower and E. Livinston and others currently on the team--I would also love confirmation on Kate Prior and what H. Gneating is at now a full year post mission. Mia Lee's is 10'7 and I am getting super excited about Kemanor who is obviously super high--BTW, if I am a big time middle BYU is clearly my destination school--LDS or not LDS. That is why I can't figure out the negativity on Heather Olmstead as a recruiter. I get the DS/Lib issues (and I am the first to complain on that issue)--but everything else has been stellar IMO. David Hyte is the biggest reason that BYU MB's are the strength of the team and have been for his tenure. Heather allows him to choose and he does it at a high level. He didn't recruit the Jeppson girl that went to Notre Dame and then decommitted and went to Pitt. He saw right through that PR game. V sold her and I bet that she will never be an impact player at Pitt. Even Utah didn't bite. She was a Carlson favorite as was the Jardine girl who left Wisc after a year. Couldn't pass and that isn't tolerated at Wisc. BTW it appears that Utah grabbed the L off the V -2 team. How's that for a prediction, Beba? It will be interesting to see what the future holds on that decision vs the BYU Miller choice. Utah also took the undersized pin hitter off the V 1 team who may have protentional as a DS but not as an elite pin hitter. I believe you’re talking about Levani Key Powell? Her dad, Louis Powell, is on the football coaching staff at utah. This is not a surprise commitment. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 12, 2022 1:42:36 GMT -5
Kemavor will be a project at BYU. Not sure if she will make it. She is big and tall but the trademark of BYU MB's is being agile and quick of foot. She struggles in both of those dept's..... I think Kemavor will be fine. Her game isn't completely refined at this point, but she's 17. You can't teach height and athleticism. |
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Post by azvb on Jul 12, 2022 11:15:54 GMT -5
Many years ago, (Elaine was coaching), they beefed up their line up with non members and a couple foreign girls. Because of honor code violations, it really backfired, and the program took a while to recover. I believe,but not positive, that was when the “opposite sex coaches have to be married” rule was inserted.
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Post by azvb on Jul 12, 2022 11:20:20 GMT -5
RJP did fine as a non member, she was from Utah, was married, so it wasn’t that big of a stretch for her. I honestly can’t remember any other non LDS girls that have contributed recently! The libero the last couple years, but IMO, she wasn’t good. She’s gone, anyway.
I think Heather wants the best of the best-LDS or not.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 11:58:46 GMT -5
Speaking of passing, Erin Livingston put up a story on the team's Instagram account indicating that she has been working on her passing the most while training with the US Women's Collegiate National Team. That reminded me that BYU in all likelihood will have a new pin passing six rotations, now that the ones they had the last couple of seasons have graduated. It seems like Livingston may be the most likely option for that. Also, another exciting thing for BYU is that Livingston actually has three more seasons of eligibility, since she redshirted in 2019, and the spring 2020 season didn't count for eligibility. Can you imagine if Dodson hadn't moved from outside back to middle (because of an injury to Eschenberg)  ? Livingston is my pick for CPOY. Her high contact on this particular team is a cherished quality. It was a gamble to have Dodson move back to MB because BYU had put a lot of time into getting her transitioned to OH. She was not the protype BYU athlete. She had all the physical skills to be a good front row player at multiple positions, but I just don't know if she had the big time arm swing to be elite at OH. Maybe she could have developed out there over a 2 year period? I really liked her athletic ability and she obviously saved the day in the Middle with the injuries forcing her back to MB. But, again, the coaching conversation with her at the end of the season was blunt and basically told her that OH would have to be her spot if she wanted to break through for playing time. My guess is that she wasn't too thrilled with her options as it was evident that the MB spots were not going to be hers. She was a teener and that is a hard spot to be in. If she was 6'3" or taller things would probably have ended differently for her. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 12:01:50 GMT -5
David Hyte is the biggest reason that BYU MB's are the strength of the team and have been for his tenure. Heather allows him to choose and he does it at a high level. He didn't recruit the Jeppson girl that went to Notre Dame and then decommitted and went to Pitt. He saw right through that PR game. V sold her and I bet that she will never be an impact player at Pitt. Even Utah didn't bite. She was a Carlson favorite as was the Jardine girl who left Wisc after a year. Couldn't pass and that isn't tolerated at Wisc. BTW it appears that Utah grabbed the L off the V -2 team. How's that for a prediction, Beba? It will be interesting to see what the future holds on that decision vs the BYU Miller choice. Utah also took the undersized pin hitter off the V 1 team who may have protentional as a DS but not as an elite pin hitter. I believe you’re talking about Levani Key Powell? Her dad, Louis Powell, is on the football coaching staff at utah. This is not a surprise commitment. Yes, I think you are right on Powell. She is a good athlete, not an elite hitter, but might develop into a decent DS/L. I am a little surprised at the addition but it might work. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 12:14:48 GMT -5
Kemavor will be a project at BYU. Not sure if she will make it. She is big and tall but the trademark of BYU MB's is being agile and quick of foot. She struggles in both of those dept's..... I think Kemavor will be fine. Her game isn't completely refined at this point, but she's 17. You can't teach height and athleticism. Yes, she can develop and Hyte thinks she will. I have to defer to his judgement, but he traditionally has 4 MB's and he hits big time on 2-3 so you can't fault him. Height is a big plus but like you say, you can't teach athleticism. This is where she reminds me a little bit of the Jepsen girl. Jepsen looks to be a legit jumper and better than Kemavor despite the published jump touches. Time will tell, but I like Prior's abilities and I think she will mirror the protype BYU MB. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 12:17:09 GMT -5
Come on BBG95 you are my BYU insider--I am counting on you  Don't let BBG95 throw you off. She/He is the definition of an insider at BYU! |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 12:24:17 GMT -5
RJP did fine as a non member, she was from Utah, was married, so it wasn’t that big of a stretch for her. I honestly can’t remember any other non LDS girls that have contributed recently! The libero the last couple years, but IMO, she wasn’t good. She’s gone, anyway. I think Heather wants the best of the best-LDS or not. Well the next 2 years will tell us how the BYU passing talent evaluation process is going. Madi wasn't bad and probably could have been serviceable with consistent help from quality DS's back there with her. They didn't have much room for error. I actually think the coach/player relationship was the issue with Madi and other players on last years roster. Heather has outstanding relationships with certain girls on the team and yet others seem to be much more difficult for her to connect with. If she was just a neutral with all players it might work better. I agree with the comment from some that taking the best LDS athletes and then supplementing the crew with talent specific non-LDS is a way to success with more regularity. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 12, 2022 12:38:28 GMT -5
Many years ago, (Elaine was coaching), they beefed up their line up with non members and a couple foreign girls. Because of honor code violations, it really backfired, and the program took a while to recover. I believe,but not positive, that was when the “opposite sex coaches have to be married” rule was inserted. I think there was a lot going on that wasn't covered in the papers during that era. You are probably correct on the changing of rules etc to tap down the issues. The Elaine firing was a total disaster regardless of the way it was sold to the public. She deserved better and I think that certain alumni still hold some current employees in the athletic dept accountable for their acts of omission or commission. Give BYU some credit for reaching out to Elaine in a number of ways to give her credit for the work that she actually did to elevate BYU's women's athletics. I like to see Heather recognize her when she can. Elaine should never have been fired and the admin who did the firing had no business being promoted to that spot with that authority. He was eventually moved on and out so time ended up kind of sugar coating the whole situation. |
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Post by mintonetteman on Jul 12, 2022 20:23:48 GMT -5
LDS or non-LDS, BYU gets in trouble when they get kids that are just happy to be there and are mentally and physically soft. That has always been the outside criticism of BYU for as long as I can remember. That was NOT RJP or anyone else from that final four team and it started with RJP and Haddock-Eppich. Both players, but especially RJP in that OH1 spot was tough as nails, mentally and physically. She was that way ever since I first watched her--not always the most refined or polished, but the kid always played hard. And, with Utah not recruiting her, RJP always seemed to play with a bit of a chip on her shoulder at BYU. Same with Ciara Parker--tough kid, especially mentally, who was also not a LDS kid but always seemed to have something to prove. In my opinion, that is why they both did well at BYU--they had something to prove. Never felt that way with Allen--quite the opposite. My past posts reflect that. And, boy did it cost us a golden opportunity last year....Ah crap, I am spiraling back into my bad thoughts of what might have been. I may have to go back to therapy.
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