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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 31, 2022 21:59:13 GMT -5
I would also recruit the L off the V 16 team Are you talking about Trinidy Tien? It looks like she was among the players at BYU's volleyball camp. No, I am not referencing Tien (#8). I believe she was playing at the beginning of the club season or at least at one of the the qualifiers and I have her down in my notes as a very good L, but I am referring to #18. #18 is probably not thought of as a L because she played OH and is a pretty versatile player. She is a player that won't catch the eye of club V coaches for her protentional at the D-1 level because of #8, who is only capable of playing L at D-1. I would take #18 and train her as an L. She has all of the intangibles to be great on the backrow. If I were BYU I would take her and tell V to use her only as a L. Will they listen to BYU? She is all athlete with quick response in either direction and can really jump and get to balls. Would #8 be a better than average L at D-1 level? Yep! But #18 could be great. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Jul 31, 2022 22:02:47 GMT -5
She is an amazing libero!! She was hurt this past season, but if she was at the camp, that means she has recovered. I am not sure what other libero on the 16s that keeps coming up, but this girl is amazing. Brielle Miller will be great too. #18 of the V 16 team has the highest upside at L of any L in the V system. Regardless of age. She only lacks training and court time. She is a classic V OH who has a strong quick arm, good hops, and a high contact point but just like so many of their OH's she is undersized against elite level competition. Unlike most of their other OH's she can really pass the ball. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 31, 2022 22:14:37 GMT -5
Are you talking about Trinidy Tien? It looks like she was among the players at BYU's volleyball camp. No, I am not referencing Tien (#8). I believe she was playing at the beginning of the club season or at least at one of the the qualifiers and I have her down in my notes as a very good L, but I am referring to #18. #18 is probably not thought of as a L because she played OH and is a pretty versatile player. She is a player that won't catch the eye of club V coaches for her protentional at the D-1 level because of #8, who is only capable of playing L at D-1. I would take #18 and train her as an L. She has all of the intangibles to be great on the backrow. If I were BYU I would take her and tell V to use her only as a L. Will they listen to BYU? She is all athlete with quick response in either direction and can really jump and get to balls. Would #8 be a better than average L at D-1 level? Yep! But #18 could be great. I see. Yeah, she's listed as an OH/DS on the roster. |
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Post by nickvb on Jul 31, 2022 22:53:48 GMT -5
Any word or thoughts on the new setting coach? Any word or thoughts on Bowers recovery? The team can benefit from her swagger and leadership to get the season off to a great start. August is here! |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 31, 2022 23:26:41 GMT -5
Any word or thoughts on the new setting coach? Any word or thoughts on Bowers recovery? The team can benefit from her swagger and leadership to get the season off to a great start. August is here! Well, judging by her social media, she looks pretty healthy, but it's hard to really say for sure until we see her on the court. |
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Post by mintonetteman on Aug 1, 2022 14:40:32 GMT -5
Just talked to a former player that played with her that told me the same--said, she was an absolute freak in the weight room and that she would be amazed if she isn't ready to go. I kept pushing her on what her vert was...kind of obsessed with that right now. She also said there were a couple of other players with nagging issues...but that everyone should be ready to go when everything begins here shortly. Not sure I am seeing what you are seeing on social media...was she playing?
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 1, 2022 14:57:15 GMT -5
Just talked to a former player that played with her that told me the same--said, she was an absolute freak in the weight room and that she would be amazed if she isn't ready to go. I kept pushing her on what her vert was...kind of obsessed with that right now. She also said there were a couple of other players with nagging issues...but that everyone should be ready to go when everything begins here shortly. Not sure I am seeing what you are seeing on social media...was she playing? Not playing, but she's posted lots of everyday photos without any kind of knee brace. And this, which I don't think she'd post if she wasn't healthy: https://www.instagram.com/p/CfVPtkhLcEK |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Aug 3, 2022 21:14:42 GMT -5
bbg95 - Bower is playing and seems to have mostly recovered from the surgery. She was complaining of knee pain for awhile at BYU (you can track when the knee brace started to appear) and team Dr's looked at it several times. The pain became more pronounced at the beginning of 2022. She had to ice it and nurse it after almost every big workout. Eventually, a BYU connection (unnamed) spoke to her and the family and offered to set up an appointment for Bower with another Dr who has worked on pro athletes. After a careful review of the MRI something caught the Dr's eye and zeroed in on a problem. Bower opted to go for surgery even though BYU medical hadn't recommended it. This was the only way to possibly get relief and potentially fix the issue. As I brought up before, this blind-sided BYU and the Meyer transfer forced BYU to cancel its spring season because they had no setter with Hifo and Meyer gone. Only time will tell if this hurts the team or not, but it helped Bower for sure. This next part is a personal comment of mine .... with only a little info so take it for what you want, but I think that BYU's weight room training for their women's program needs to be looked at from another viewpoint. I can tell you for sure that the program is being used by other non-BYU players (younger and part of the family of BYU players) and there is a big emphasis on certain muscle groups for development. An unusual amount of ACL injuries occur in young lady athletes, but the BYU trend in vb is more troubling. Part of the W Bower problem may very well be related to the training program that she entertains at the Y. That is all my opinion and what I have taken from a couple of medical people and trainers over the years. The "look" of the leg from a muscle development standpoint is odd to the trained eye. For what it is worth ...
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Post by marnvbc2 on Aug 3, 2022 21:37:31 GMT -5
Any word or thoughts on the new setting coach? The volunteer assistant, Penina Snuka? It seems like she was a really good player. Her bio says she coached high school and club, but I don't know where. Snuka will be working with setters at BYU. Heather has no real deep knowledge of setting technique although she is very opinionated on the position. She has a background in defense and played L/DS at Utah St for a very average program. Now don't let that comment set off the defensive mechanisms for some of you blue goggled supporters, because I admit that some really elite players are not good coaches. Some physically average players are excellent coaches. Heather knows a lot about most aspects of the game but she isn't a top coach of setters. I think this hire/placement is an excellent move by Heather if she can allow another set of eyes to be as important as her own opinions. I think her complete frustration in the DS/L dept coupled with the setter issues/responsibilities was too much for her to deal with and be successful at an elite level. She decided to refocus, by delegation IMO. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Aug 3, 2022 21:45:30 GMT -5
Any word or thoughts on the new setting coach? Even though the new volunteer was a setter when she played, I doubt that she is now the setting coach. She will work some with the setters and with all of the players, but is unlikely to replace Olmstead as the one primarily working with the setters. Yea, I am not certain about that. You don't hire a all Pac12 setter to coach anywhere except her position of choice. She will certainly not coach the front row hitters or the back row passers so that leaves ..... setting. I think this a deliberate hire for setting only. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 3, 2022 23:24:41 GMT -5
bbg95 - Bower is playing and seems to have mostly recovered from the surgery. She was complaining of knee pain for awhile at BYU (you can track when the knee brace started to appear) and team Dr's looked at it several times. The pain became more pronounced at the beginning of 2022. She had to ice it and nurse it after almost every big workout. Eventually, a BYU connection (unnamed) spoke to her and the family and offered to set up an appointment for Bower with another Dr who has worked on pro athletes. After a careful review of the MRI something caught the Dr's eye and zeroed in on a problem. Bower opted to go for surgery even though BYU medical hadn't recommended it. This was the only way to possibly get relief and potentially fix the issue. As I brought up before, this blind-sided BYU and the Meyer transfer forced BYU to cancel its spring season because they had no setter with Hifo and Meyer gone. Only time will tell if this hurts the team or not, but it helped Bower for sure. This next part is a personal comment of mine .... with only a little info so take it for what you want, but I think that BYU's weight room training for their women's program needs to be looked at from another viewpoint. I can tell you for sure that the program is being used by other non-BYU players (younger and part of the family of BYU players) and there is a big emphasis on certain muscle groups for development. An unusual amount of ACL injuries occur in young lady athletes, but the BYU trend in vb is more troubling. Part of the W Bower problem may very well be related to the training program that she entertains at the Y. That is all my opinion and what I have taken from a couple of medical people and trainers over the years. The "look" of the leg from a muscle development standpoint is odd to the trained eye. For what it is worth ... Interesting. She clearly was dealing with some kind of knee issue during the season. I'd say that if the surgery was good for Bower, then it's good for BYU. If the spring matches get canceled so she can get healthy, that's a small price to play. She's playing the most important position on the floor. I'm glad to hear that her recovery is seemingly going well. Does BYU have a higher than average instance of ACL injuries? The only ones I can think of recently are Miller and Ballard-Nixon. Two in that time frame doesn't strike me as particularly high, but I'll admit that I'm not well-versed on the frequency of volleyball injuries. It should also be noted that the Bower family has a history of knee issues, so it's possible that may have contributed as well. As for the S&C program, I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying that there is a specific program that they should consider adopting on a team-wide basis? |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 3, 2022 23:32:41 GMT -5
The volunteer assistant, Penina Snuka? It seems like she was a really good player. Her bio says she coached high school and club, but I don't know where. Snuka will be working with setters at BYU. Heather has no real deep knowledge of setting technique although she is very opinionated on the position. She has a background in defense and played L/DS at Utah St for a very average program. Now don't let that comment set off the defensive mechanisms for some of you blue goggled supporters, because I admit that some really elite players are not good coaches. Some physically average players are excellent coaches. Heather knows a lot about most aspects of the game but she isn't a top coach of setters. I think this hire/placement is an excellent move by Heather if she can allow another set of eyes to be as important as her own opinions. I think her complete frustration in the DS/L dept coupled with the setter issues/responsibilities was too much for her to deal with and be successful at an elite level. She decided to refocus, by delegation IMO. I think you raise some very fair points. My first instinct was to once again point out that the problem with the team is the passing, not the setting. However, your suggestion that perhaps Olmstead has a divided focus that may be hurting the coaching of the passers seems plausible to me. She has to know that the passing is what most needs her attention, so delegating some of the coaching of the setters (and also having a very experienced setter) may help. |
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Post by bkedane on Aug 4, 2022 11:23:36 GMT -5
Even though the new volunteer was a setter when she played, I doubt that she is now the setting coach. She will work some with the setters and with all of the players, but is unlikely to replace Olmstead as the one primarily working with the setters. Yea, I am not certain about that. You don't hire a all Pac12 setter to coach anywhere except her position of choice. She will certainly not coach the front row hitters or the back row passers so that leaves ..... setting. I think this a deliberate hire for setting only. Do you have much experience "hiring" (as a volunteer) all Pac12 setters? In my experience, volunteer coaches [including elite level former players] rarely have primary responsibility for training any position. She will likely assist the staff and head coach with many things including training. If you hear differently from the staff let us know. |
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Post by azvb on Aug 4, 2022 14:21:09 GMT -5
Weight program at BYU seemed to have worked VERY well for RJP and the Haddock twins.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Aug 4, 2022 20:13:26 GMT -5
Yea, I am not certain about that. You don't hire a all Pac12 setter to coach anywhere except her position of choice. She will certainly not coach the front row hitters or the back row passers so that leaves ..... setting. I think this a deliberate hire for setting only. Do you have much experience "hiring" (as a volunteer) all Pac12 setters? In my experience, volunteer coaches [including elite level former players] rarely have primary responsibility for training any position. She will likely assist the staff and head coach with many things including training. If you hear differently from the staff let us know. Well, you are probably correct in that she will assist in any way that the staff needs her to. But to think that is the primary reason why BYU invited her to be on staff is silly. They put an All-Pac12 elite setter on the staff to help them with setting, not MB training or OH or passing/serve receive. Seriously, you don't invite elite former players to get their feet wet in the coaching ranks without relying on them in their specific area of expertise and then allow them to branch out as they learn. She knows more about setting than any BYU coach but that is the only area she can shine at this point. She will be on a steep learning curve on the rest of the game. She will help with the setters, particularly the new ones coming into the program over the next 3 years .... 1 per year. i will also add that I think this was a very smart coaching decision by Olmstead. She will be free to spend a lot more time on the back row where the key to being an elite program resides. |
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