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Post by panicvb on Feb 4, 2021 15:27:00 GMT -5
Was listening to 5:1 podcast and they mentioned that we have a gap in our national team after the this potentially medal winning team.
Who are the players in college who'll make that jump?
TJ should be a fixture for 2024, but a lot can happen.
Edit: Added the players named in the upcoming posts:
Opposites:
Garo Barsemian - UC- Irvine 6'6" OH/OPP Redshirt Freshmen
Randy DeWeese 6'6" - UCSB - Senior, did a great job as a freshmen. Listed as a setter on team site. He looks older than a sophomore..
Jaylen Jasper - 6'7" Stanford - Senior - hope he's working on his foreign language skills.
Raymond Barsemian - 6'6" Concordia - I seem to remember him having a big game against BYU last year. Older brother of Garo.
Ben Patch - 6'9" BYU now with Berlin Recycling was crushing it last season. I think he's been hurt this year a few times.
Jake Hanes - 6'10" Ohio State, now playing in France with Arago de Sete.
Outside:
Joel Schneidmiller 6'6" UC Irvine.. oh look another player from Irvine. Senior. Has been playing college since 1998 it seems.
Cole Schlothauer (that's too hard to spell)6'5" Loyola, Redshirt Sophomore - had the most kills by a Loyola freshmen since Jaeshke
Ryan Coenen - 6'9" Lewis - Senior -
Dave Wieczorek - 6'8" Pepperdine and now in Germany with TSV Herrsching,
Brett Wildman 6'5" Penn State Junior
Francesco Sani 6'8" UC Irvine - freshman.. oh look, the rich get richer. Kid has an Italian passport, and the Italian are desperate for OH's too.
Kevin Lamp 6'6" Stanford - Sophomore (even played a set at setter for Stanford)
Will Rotman 6'6" Stanford - Sophomore
Alex Knight - 6'6" UCLA Sophomore
Clarke Godbold - 6'5" Long Beach Freshman , nation's top recruit
Jerod Nelson 6'7" Princeton Junior -
Middles:
George Huhmann - playing for Knack Roeselaare in Belgium, top 2 teams in league, already getting champions league games.
Scott Stadick - UC Irvine - 7' - Grad student - should be on his way to Europe for next season
Tyler Mitchem - Lewis -6'11" Redshirt Senior - I think this kid is our next elite middle.
Setters:
Kevin Kauling 6'8" Lewis - Sophomore - lots of potential. Great size.
Casey McGarry - 6'0" - UCSB - Junior - as with all undersized setters, blocking will be an issue at the top level, but Toniuiti for France has won and I don't know if he is really 6'.
Bryce Dvorak - 6'4" - Pepperdine, Freshmen - has volleyball wins in his genes.
Heath Hughes - 6'7" Grand Canyon - The Lopes getting some love. One of the few guys on the list that I was able to see in person -Grow the Game Challenge in Nashville area.
Joe Worsley - 6'1" Hawaii, but playing in Germany and doing pretty good with Friedrichshafen. I'll leave it to Blair to add to this one. Also saw him play in Nashville.
Garrett Zoig - 6'3" Loyola - Senior - seems he has been playing forever.
Libero:
Gage Worsley - Hawaii, 6'1" Junior - saw him play in Nashville area too.
Cole Pender 6'2" UCLA Redshirt Junior
Have a few more to google, but running out of time today.
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Post by lankykong on Feb 4, 2021 16:02:36 GMT -5
Garo Barsemian
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Post by lipton on Feb 4, 2021 16:45:19 GMT -5
Great question. It got me curious so I started rifling through the various rosters and it struck me that a vast majority of the current college stars are foreign students. Half of the All Americans this year could be foreign players. Our cupboard is looking bare compared to what it was ten years ago, five years ago, even a couple years ago. Players that could possibly take off after graduation (including from last season) seem to be:
George Huhmann
Scott Stadick
Tyler Mitchem
Randy DeWeese
Jaylen Jasper
Raymond Barsemian
Garret Zolg
Kevin Kauling
Casey McGarry
Bryce Dvorak
Heath Hughes
Joel Schneidmiller
Cole Schlothauer
Ryan Coenen
Gage Worsely
We're looking pretty good at MB. One of those three could become elite, when you compare them to where some current NT players were at their same point in development.
We might be in trouble at opposite, but the current depth chart on the NT at opposite seems good and youthful
Setter is such a hard thing to predict. Christianson was a standout from day 1 as a freshman, so he will be very hard to replace. Dvorak looked very impressive in his first two matches, although he'll need to work on his block and tempo to make it at the next level. He has four years to get there and has the right size and quickness to be elite. Zolg and McGarry are extremely cerebral setters who will blossom in the pro leagues. They will be great additions to the NT depth chart. Kauling is physically similar to Loy Ball and he has one of the very best collegiate coaches helping him develop.
Outside is the hardest to predict, because of what happens in terms of serve receive at the next level. We have several former PoYs on the NT roster right now, and the current college pipeline doesn't look to have that elite, stand out above your peers OH. Schneidmiller, Coenen, and Schlothauer are all excellent college players, but it's hard to see any of them as being as dominant as Sander, or Jaeshke, or DeFalco were at their same point in college.
A lot can happen, and all of these players have an upside that will develop when they start their overseas careers. For all we know, a scrappy gamer type like McCauley (who I don't have on that list) might hit his stride and be a superstar. It's so hard (and unfair) to say who will develop into the star players professionally and then shine on the NT. It's always fun to watch it happen.
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Post by wilbur on Feb 4, 2021 16:58:43 GMT -5
Good question, some of the best prospects playing in the NCAA are not americans: gabu, davide, torwie.
Hugeman has been playing well the little I have seen at Rosalare and VNL 2 years ago. Ma'a. Wieczorek has potential but needs to develop a lot more. Gasman if he can get quicker laterally. Coenen, similar to Wieczorwk. The ones younger in first couple years college are too young to say but some will definitely show us this season or next. I don't see any TJs in the bunch.
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Post by akbar on Feb 4, 2021 17:04:28 GMT -5
Solid prospects all. Good names to start from.
Not sure I've seen an arm better than Wildman's though. 🔨
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Post by wilbur on Feb 4, 2021 17:08:51 GMT -5
Great question. It got me curious so I started rifling through the various rosters and it struck me that a vast majority of the current college stars are foreign students. Half of the All Americans this year could be foreign players. Our cupboard is looking bare compared to what it was ten years ago, five years ago, even a couple years ago. Players that could possibly take off after graduation (including from last season) seem to be: George Huhmann Scott Stadick Tyler Mitchem Randy DeWeese Jaylen Jasper Raymond Barsemian Garret Zolg Kevin Kauling Casey McGarry Bryce Dvorak Heath Hughes Joel Schneidmiller Cole Schlothauer Ryan Coenen Gage Worsely We're looking pretty good at MB. One of those three could become elite, when you compare them to where some current NT players were at their same point in development. We might be in trouble at opposite, but the current depth chart on the NT at opposite seems good and youthful Setter is such a hard thing to predict. Christianson was a standout from day 1 as a freshman, so he will be very hard to replace. Dvorak looked very impressive in his first two matches, although he'll need to work on his block and tempo to make it at the next level. He has four years to get there and has the right size and quickness to be elite. Zolg and McGarry are extremely cerebral setters who will blossom in the pro leagues. They will be great additions to the NT depth chart. Kauling is physically similar to Loy Ball and he has one of the very best collegiate coaches helping him develop. Outside is the hardest to predict, because of what happens in terms of serve receive at the next level. We have several former PoYs on the NT roster right now, and the current college pipeline doesn't look to have that elite, stand out above your peers OH. Schneidmiller, Coenen, and Schlothauer are all excellent college players, but it's hard to see any of them as being as dominant as Sander, or Jaeshke, or DeFalco were at their same point in college. A lot can happen, and all of these players have an upside that will develop when they start their overseas careers. For all we know, a scrappy gamer type like McCauley (who I don't have on that list) might hit his stride and be a superstar. It's so hard (and unfair) to say who will develop into the star players professionally and then shine on the NT. It's always fun to watch it happen. Maybe on Stadick, Mitchem. Schniedmiller should have been on my list and maybe Gage. Dvorak, way too early to tell. The rest, by my eye, won't contribute but I would love to be proven wrong. |
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Post by wilbur on Feb 4, 2021 17:12:05 GMT -5
Solid prospects all. Good names to start from. Not sure I've seen an arm better than Wildman's though. 🔨 Yes on Wildman! Missed him, love his game. |
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Post by shankapotamus on Feb 4, 2021 17:18:44 GMT -5
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Post by euroleaguewatcher on Feb 4, 2021 17:32:12 GMT -5
Middle block and opposite are going to be the biggest headaches for USA.
Just take a look at the recent victors of VNL,WChamps and Olympics. All had MBs close to 7 feet. USA needs more middles like Jendryk.
Have David Lee teach them how to serve floats for a more risk-averse high reward serving opportunities and get them off running before the bosses decide to retire Smith after Paris Olympics.
For the opposite, who the efffffff knows but maybe there's a Muserskiy hiding somewhere in one of the middles if Patch just can't make the cut.
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Post by shankapotamus on Feb 4, 2021 17:36:48 GMT -5
Middle block and opposite are going to be the biggest headaches for USA. Just take a look at the recent victors of VNL,WChamps and Olympics. All had MBs close to 7 feet. USA needs more middles like Jendryk. Have David Lee teach them how to serve floats for a less risk-averse high rewaed serving opportunities and get them off running before the bosses decide to retire Smith after Paris Olympics. For the opposite, who the efffffff knows but maybe there's a Muserskiy hiding somewhere in one of the middles if Patch just can't make the cut. What happened to Jake Hanes? 6'10 lefty at OPP would be a great option. |
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Post by wilbur on Feb 4, 2021 18:27:46 GMT -5
Middle block and opposite are going to be the biggest headaches for USA. Just take a look at the recent victors of VNL,WChamps and Olympics. All had MBs close to 7 feet. USA needs more middles like Jendryk. Have David Lee teach them how to serve floats for a less risk-averse high rewaed serving opportunities and get them off running before the bosses decide to retire Smith after Paris Olympics. For the opposite, who the efffffff knows but maybe there's a Muserskiy hiding somewhere in one of the middles if Patch just can't make the cut. What happened to Jake Hanes? 6'10 lefty at OPP would be a great option. he is playing A league in France on a bottom half team. Starting but not ranked that high, but I can never figure out the stats on the french league site. He is doign what he should be doing, another couple years and we will know. If his attitude matures he might contribute to the national team. |
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Post by CoastalVB on Feb 4, 2021 19:22:04 GMT -5
We will see how all these guys develop. Wildman should be on the list. Also Jasper. I would also consider recent collegiate players in the USA Junior and Youth teams. We will see how they develop as college progresses and they grow and develop. Lamp, Rottman, Knight, Briggs, Sani, Godbold...Some of these guys started as freshman and should continue to grow.
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Post by bruinsgold on Feb 4, 2021 19:57:36 GMT -5
Huhmann is already playing professionally: volleybox.net/george-huhmann-p23899Since the Ivy League didn't let players return who played spring 2020, he went overseas. I think he has great potential for the National team. |
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Post by bruinsgold on Feb 4, 2021 20:03:05 GMT -5
If we're looking at libero, Pender should be in that conversation with Worsley.
As far as OH, I'd think Wildman from Penn State has to be in some conversation, right?
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 5, 2021 0:07:03 GMT -5
Joe Worsley wins games and has been a winner his entire career. Undersized or not, I think respect has to be put in his name for his mastery of the setting position and ability to run an offense. The height debate is a nonfactor for what all he brings to the game in comparison. I would have him over Dvorak in a heartbeat.
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