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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 3, 2021 8:31:59 GMT -5
It makes me suspicious. Democrats are so dishonest, it makes me wonder what they’re up to
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 3, 2021 10:30:46 GMT -5
It makes me suspicious. Democrats are so dishonest, it makes me wonder what they’re up to Not raising the minimum wage, apparently!
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Post by gobruins on Mar 3, 2021 10:35:11 GMT -5
The White House reiterated today VP Harris would not be allowing the inclusion of the minimum wage hike in the reconciliation bill, even though she has the sole legal authority to do so. Weird! You are missing the point. Even if the VP were to overrule the Parliamentarian, the Democrats don't have the 50 votes to pass the minimum wage increase.
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Post by n00b on Mar 3, 2021 11:04:37 GMT -5
The White House reiterated today VP Harris would not be allowing the inclusion of the minimum wage hike in the reconciliation bill, even though she has the sole legal authority to do so. Weird! You are missing the point. Even if the VP were to overrule the Parliamentarian, the Democrats don't have the 50 votes to pass the minimum wage increase. The overrule would be to include it in the COVID relief bill. There ARE enough votes to pass that.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 3, 2021 11:08:37 GMT -5
The White House reiterated today VP Harris would not be allowing the inclusion of the minimum wage hike in the reconciliation bill, even though she has the sole legal authority to do so. Weird! You are missing the point. Even if the VP were to overrule the Parliamentarian, the Democrats don't have the 50 votes to pass the minimum wage increase. What n00b said. Including it in the relief bill would force Manchin/Sinema to sink the entire package over an extremely popular provision. A $15 minimum wage is more popular in WV than Joe Manchin is.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 3, 2021 11:28:59 GMT -5
www.cnbc.com/2021/03/03/covid-stimulus-update-biden-backs-lower-income-cap-for-checks.htmlWhite House has apparently agreed to slash the income caps for the stimulus check phase out, meaning there will be people who received a check last spring and a check in January who won't be eligible to receive a check from this package. Very astute political maneuver to promise $2000 to people who received $600 and then make them ineligible for the last $1400.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 3, 2021 13:36:26 GMT -5
One could argue that it takes more courage to take a position that is against popular opinion because you know it is bad policy.
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Post by cindra on Mar 3, 2021 13:41:44 GMT -5
One could argue that it takes more courage to take a position that is against popular opinion because you know it is bad policy. it's good policy
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 3, 2021 15:46:42 GMT -5
Approximately 12 million adults and 5 million children will now be ineligible for stimulus payments after Biden agreed to this new compromise. These people received some sort of stimulus payment under President Trump.
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Post by gobruins on Mar 4, 2021 7:31:42 GMT -5
You are missing the point. Even if the VP were to overrule the Parliamentarian, the Democrats don't have the 50 votes to pass the minimum wage increase. The overrule would be to include it in the COVID relief bill. There ARE enough votes to pass that. Until the Republicans offer an amendment to strip the minimum wage increase out of the bill. Then, Manchin and Sinema vote with the Republicans, and it is out of the Covid relief bill.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 4, 2021 9:48:26 GMT -5
The overrule would be to include it in the COVID relief bill. There ARE enough votes to pass that. Until the Republicans offer an amendment to strip the minimum wage increase out of the bill. Then, Manchin and Sinema vote with the Republicans, and it is out of the Covid relief bill. That is certainly a choice Sinema and Manchin could make. It's also a choice to not force them to take that vote.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 4, 2021 13:30:39 GMT -5
One could argue that it takes more courage to take a position that is against popular opinion because you know it is bad policy. it's good policy Many think it is a horrible policy that inflict great pain on lower wealth people. The politics is with passing the law. Some believe it is a good law, so it is easy to support. Some think it is a bad law, but good politics and will support. And some believe it is a bad law even though it is good politics. I would say only one of those 3 groups is displaying courage.
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Post by cindra on Mar 4, 2021 13:52:38 GMT -5
Many think it is a horrible policy that inflict great pain on lower wealth people. The politics is with passing the law. Some believe it is a good law, so it is easy to support. Some think it is a bad law, but good politics and will support. And some believe it is a bad law even though it is good politics. I would say only one of those 3 groups is displaying courage. "Many" = business owners who are mad they won't be able to fleece their workers for profits
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 4, 2021 14:14:58 GMT -5
Many think it is a horrible policy that inflict great pain on lower wealth people. The politics is with passing the law. Some believe it is a good law, so it is easy to support. Some think it is a bad law, but good politics and will support. And some believe it is a bad law even though it is good politics. I would say only one of those 3 groups is displaying courage. "Many" = business owners who are mad they won't be able to fleece their workers for profits And people who worship the free market as being infallible.
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Post by donut on Mar 4, 2021 14:16:11 GMT -5
And people who think poor people are poor by choice or because they're lazy.
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