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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 24, 2021 22:39:36 GMT -5
This entire thing started when you wanted me to agree we needed "shelters" for migrants at the border (they aren't shelters, they're jails) then you were flabbergasted when I didn't.
We shouldn't put *anyone* in jail for crossing the border unless, I don't know, we have good evidence they just murdered someone. The people in detention centers should be released with a court summons, some money, a job, a place to live, and access to support services, including healthcare. In a perfect world there wouldn't be a court summons because it wouldn't be a crime. In a PERFECT perfect world, there wouldn't be a Border Patrol or ICE to arrest these people in the first place. The reason kids come alone is because we jail their parents for years and then deport them at the end of it. If we treated immigrants differently, this problem would go away.
We've spent decades operating prisons for the impoverished people that we've impoverished from ruined countries that we have ruined. We should stop doing that.
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Post by donut on Feb 24, 2021 22:54:30 GMT -5
You're moving the goalposts. you: It probably shouldn't. but there does need to be a facility to shelter migrants at the border don't you think? merv: Why? you: How do you think people seeking asylum should be handled?
Read: the facilities at the border are for handling asylum seekers.The facilities at the border are primarily not for asylum seekers. They are for immigrants. All asylum seekers immigrate, but most immigrants are not asylum seekers. If we had zero immigration and only asylum, I'd wager that those facilities wouldn't exist. you are focusing on what really doesn't matter when it comes to the topic at hand. I used asylum because many in the caravans Trump was focused on were in fact seeking asylum. You seem to want to focus on those things so you can explain to me the difference between immigration and asylum seeker. I know the difference. cindra is simply a prime example of one who post silly condescending posts and insults. "You're focusing on the wrong thing" is a pretty transparent way of saying "I know I was wrong." And no, I don't want to focus on the issue so I can explain things to you. I'm working in this space, and asylum is an entirely different issue than immigration. People seeking asylum are a discrete group of people, who have experienced different lives and wrongs than other immigrants. And the last few pages have made it pretty clear that you don't know the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers.
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Post by donut on Feb 24, 2021 22:55:20 GMT -5
This entire thing started when you wanted me to agree we needed "shelters" for migrants at the border (they aren't shelters, they're jails) then you were flabbergasted when I didn't. *"facilities for asylum seekers" was the original language I believe
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2021 22:56:27 GMT -5
This entire thing started when you wanted me to agree we needed "shelters" for migrants at the border (they aren't shelters, they're jails) then you were flabbergasted when I didn't. *"facilities for asylum seekers" was the original language I believe and there you go once again focused on what really doesn't matter.
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2021 22:57:29 GMT -5
you are focusing on what really doesn't matter when it comes to the topic at hand. I used asylum because many in the caravans Trump was focused on were in fact seeking asylum. You seem to want to focus on those things so you can explain to me the difference between immigration and asylum seeker. I know the difference. cindra is simply a prime example of one who post silly condescending posts and insults. "You're focusing on the wrong thing" is a pretty transparent way of saying "I know I was wrong." And no, I don't want to focus on the issue so I can explain things to you. I'm working in this space, and asylum is an entirely different issue than immigration. People seeking asylum are a discrete group of people, who have experienced different lives and wrongs than other immigrants. And the last few pages have made it pretty clear that you don't know the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers. and there you go with your condescending BS once again.
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2021 22:58:58 GMT -5
This entire thing started when you wanted me to agree we needed "shelters" for migrants at the border (they aren't shelters, they're jails) then you were flabbergasted when I didn't. *"facilities for asylum seekers" was the original language I believe according to NBC News.... The number of unaccompanied asylum-seekers who wind up in shelters run by HHS is expected to keep climbing. Advocates and some members of Congress say the administration should find alternatives to care for them rather than build more temporary facilities.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 24, 2021 22:59:26 GMT -5
"You're focusing on the wrong thing" is a pretty transparent way of saying "I know I was wrong." And no, I don't want to focus on the issue so I can explain things to you. I'm working in this space, and asylum is an entirely different issue than immigration. People seeking asylum are a discrete group of people, who have experienced different lives and wrongs than other immigrants. And the last few pages have made it pretty clear that you don't know the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers. and there you go with your condescending BS once again. If every time you're told you're wrong you think it's condescending, you must feel that way pretty often.
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Post by donut on Feb 24, 2021 23:01:42 GMT -5
Usually when people cite news, they provide the link to the article. Otherwise, it could be "moody news" for all we know.
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2021 23:03:31 GMT -5
and there you go with your condescending BS once again. If every time you're told you're wrong you think it's condescending, you must feel that way pretty often. I'm not wrong. You are.
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2021 23:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by cindra on Feb 24, 2021 23:04:44 GMT -5
TIL saying "I actually work in this field and therefore know more than you" is condescending
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 24, 2021 23:07:09 GMT -5
If every time you're told you're wrong you think it's condescending, you must feel that way pretty often. I'm not wrong. You are. My position is that we should not put children in jails. Our immigration system is inhumane and cruel and the border "crisis" we've experienced for my entire life is a result of inhumane and cruel economic and foreign policy. These things are a choice but I don't get to make those choices. Joe Biden does, at least on some of it. I feel quite comfortable with this position. If you would like to disagree with any of the above, I suppose that's your prerogative.
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2021 23:07:10 GMT -5
TIL saying "I actually work in this field and therefore know more than you" is condescending You may want to be careful with your foster home idea... according to NBC News... In 2014, during an influx in unaccompanied migrant children, HHS sent eight Guatemalan children to work in poor conditions on an Ohio egg farm, according to court documents. The incident triggered calls for sponsors to be more fully vetted before they take in migrant children.
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2021 23:07:48 GMT -5
My position is that we should not put children in jails. Our immigration system is inhumane and cruel and the border "crisis" we've experienced for my entire life is a result of inhumane and cruel economic and foreign policy. These things are a choice but I don't get to make those choices. Joe Biden does, at least on some of it. I feel quite comfortable with this position. Your solution was to give them a couple sandwiches and a bus ticket.
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Post by donut on Feb 24, 2021 23:07:52 GMT -5
... It's pretty clear the author is using the terms "migrants," "immigrants" and "asylum-seekers" interchangeably. Which is incorrect.
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