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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 0:08:26 GMT -5
you want to focus on the difference when the larger discussion was the facilities used to house those PEOPLE attempting to cross the border. You then went on for pages to show just how much you know about the difference between asylum seekers and those migrating for whatever reason.
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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 0:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 25, 2021 8:37:46 GMT -5
Facilities used to "house" people.
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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 8:49:27 GMT -5
Facilities used to "house" people. a couple of sandwiches and a bus ticket.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 25, 2021 8:50:06 GMT -5
Facilities used to "house" people. a couple of sandwiches and a bus ticket. Instead of jail? Any day of the week.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 25, 2021 8:51:29 GMT -5
For your reference, moody: This entire thing started when you wanted me to agree we needed "shelters" for migrants at the border (they aren't shelters, they're jails) then you were flabbergasted when I didn't. We shouldn't put *anyone* in jail for crossing the border unless, I don't know, we have good evidence they just murdered someone. The people in detention centers should be released with a court summons, some money, a job, a place to live, and access to support services, including healthcare. In a perfect world there wouldn't be a court summons because it wouldn't be a crime. In a PERFECT perfect world, there wouldn't be a Border Patrol or ICE to arrest these people in the first place. The reason kids come alone is because we jail their parents for years and then deport them at the end of it. If we treated immigrants differently, this problem would go away. We've spent decades operating prisons for the impoverished people that we've impoverished from ruined countries that we have ruined. We should stop doing that.
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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 9:50:15 GMT -5
a couple of sandwiches and a bus ticket. Instead of jail? Any day of the week. Straw man argument. Those are not the choices.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 25, 2021 9:57:38 GMT -5
Instead of jail? Any day of the week. Straw man argument. Those are not the choices. I'm not sure you understand what a "straw man" is. Given you keep going back to the sandwiches and bus ticket thing (and hotel room, you always leave that out) rather than my later, more detailed comments, that's the choice you'd apparently like to discuss.
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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 10:15:40 GMT -5
Straw man argument. Those are not the choices. I'm not sure you understand what a "straw man" is. Given you keep going back to the sandwiches and bus ticket thing (and hotel room, you always leave that out) rather than my later, more detailed comments, that's the choice you'd apparently like to discuss. My apologies. So where is this hotel room you are making available? Because that changes everything.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 25, 2021 10:17:41 GMT -5
We should provide housing, income, social services, and healthcare to migrants. Not put them in detention centers.
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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 11:52:29 GMT -5
We should provide housing, income, social services, and healthcare to migrants. Not put them in detention centers. sounds good. I agree.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 25, 2021 12:02:09 GMT -5
We should provide housing, income, social services, and healthcare to migrants. Not put them in detention centers. sounds good. I agree. Do you still think we should operate detention facilities?
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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 12:10:14 GMT -5
Do you still think we should operate detention facilities? I never did. You are asking the ol', "are you still beating your wife?" question
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 25, 2021 12:12:23 GMT -5
Do you still think we should operate detention facilities? I never did. You are asking the ol', "are you still beating your wife?" question How should people read this, then? It probably shouldn't. but there does need to be a facility to shelter migrants at the border don't you think?
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Post by moody on Feb 25, 2021 12:13:26 GMT -5
I never did. You are asking the ol', "are you still beating your wife?" question How should people read this, then? It probably shouldn't. but there does need to be a facility to shelter migrants at the border don't you think? they should be provided food, and shelter at the border.
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