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Post by jwvolley on Apr 7, 2021 19:38:21 GMT -5
UCLA with 4 of the best players in the conference (according to p12 coaches) and couldn’t finish better than 5th place? Lol They shuffled their lineup multiple times, setting was poor overall, Chang got injured, May was more error prone adjusting, they took forever to figure out how to properly utilize McCall and they played all the top teams (their only cancelled matches were against Stanford).
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Post by jkvolley13 on Apr 7, 2021 19:40:01 GMT -5
Personally, I would’ve given POY to Nuneviller , I mean talk about the turn around in oregon from last season?! I would argue Ronika and Willow were two of the best players in their respective position to come out of oregon and they did so poorly. Brooke took it to an 11 in all aspects of her game and got second in the pac and their highest tournament seed(?).
Utah underperformed and really looking rough
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Post by Vball Fandom on Apr 7, 2021 19:42:17 GMT -5
Agree about Ndaiye on all Pac 1st team^. Two other questionables for me: Dalton on all Fresh Team, and Sofia MD on all Pac 1st team. None the less, all very nice players who had great years...thank you! Maldonado is freshman of the year but doesn’t get all-conference? Is being the Freshman of the year an automatic qualifier for All Pac 1st Team? I thought she had a nice season, but it wasn't mind blowing in my opinion. I haven't gone thru all the numbers, but it seems to me there could have been upper classman more worthy. I know there are other factors at play, but just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 19:42:26 GMT -5
Personally, I would’ve given POY to Nuneviller , I mean talk about the turn around in oregon from last season?! I would argue Ronika and Willow were two of the best players in their respective position to come out of oregon and they did so poorly. Brooke took it to an 11 in all aspects of her game and got second in the pac and their highest tournament seed(?). Utah underperformed and really looking rough we set the expectations for them way too high. They were going to under preform no matter what unless they went undefeated in the Pac
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Post by coconutcandles on Apr 7, 2021 19:43:00 GMT -5
^^^agreed. Drews is amazing but like you said Utah underpreformed, and Oregon exceeded expectations. To be fair Utah was kinda set up to fail and Oregon was massively underrated for no reason? I’m not surprised drews won but she was far down my list of people who deserve it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 19:54:59 GMT -5
then it stands to reason that all of those players shouldn't have done well enough to be all conference. Reason? 3 days ago you said it was ridiculous they weren't a top 16 seed. Want to know how bad the setting was? Over their final 8 matches of the year UCLA passed a 57% GP (very good) but hit a higher efficiency in transition than they did in FBSO! The setting was the only 'reason' UCLA didn't win the Pac.
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 7, 2021 20:03:19 GMT -5
Also...I think Oglivie deserved to make the all-freshman team... 100% agreed, especially since I think she was Stanford’s best player this Spring. Baird could’ve been left off the list since she was already on the all pac team, but oh well.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 7, 2021 20:37:23 GMT -5
then it stands to reason that all of those players shouldn't have done well enough to be all conference. Reason? 3 days ago you said it was ridiculous they weren't a top 16 seed. Want to know how bad the setting was? Over their final 8 matches of the year UCLA passed a 57% GP (very good) but hit a higher efficiency in transition than they did in FBSO! The setting was the only 'reason' UCLA didn't win the Pac. Also, the logic in the post you responded to doesn't make much sense to me. If players are putting up good numbers in spite of mediocre setting, isn't that reason to be more impressed with their performance, not less? Their job is much harder than players who have good setting. Also, one of UCLA's all-conference players is Fleck, and since she's a libero, mediocre setting doesn't really affect her the way it does the hitters.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 7, 2021 20:39:35 GMT -5
Note, all names copied from the press release. If there are any errors or misspellings or anything, I'll fix them if someone lets me know about it.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 7, 2021 20:45:04 GMT -5
Maldonado is freshman of the year but doesn’t get all-conference? Is being the Freshman of the year an automatic qualifier for All Pac 1st Team? The answer is "no". The two lists are voted on completely independently, so you could in theory even see a FOY that is not on the all-conference team and another freshman who is -- but that would be pretty unlikely. We did see one year when UCLA's libero was the LOY but not on the all-conference list, while Washington's libero was on the all-conference list but not LOY. But ... Sofia is on the all-conference team.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 7, 2021 21:09:30 GMT -5
I just realized that in their press release, the conference alphabetized Ella May Powell by the "M" in May. (I fixed it on my list.)
I'm pretty sure that Ella May is her personal name, right? "Ella May" "Powell", and not "Ella" "May Powell"?
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Post by baytree on Apr 7, 2021 21:34:44 GMT -5
then it stands to reason that all of those players shouldn't have done well enough to be all conference. what? It isn’t their fault Chang was injured. It depends on the criteria for all conference. I'd base it on performance, without factoring in things like having a bad setter or poor passing. Others might take those things into account but I lean toward that making it too subjective. IOW, if A performs better than B, A should get the award even if the libero on B's team is dealing with a bum knee + sprained wrist and the setter has four broken fingers and two bum ankles. It kind of sucks but it seems to me that otherwise, you're just guessing at who's better. (Obviously, there are exceptions like if A hit 3.22 with the best setter and libero combo in the conference while B hit 3.20 with a terrible libero and setter, and their performance was otherwise equivalent, Id probably give the nod to B.)
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Apr 7, 2021 21:36:35 GMT -5
Is being the Freshman of the year an automatic qualifier for All Pac 1st Team? The answer is "no". The two lists are voted on completely independently, so you could in theory even see a FOY that is not on the all-conference team and another freshman who is -- but that would be pretty unlikely. We did see one year when UCLA's libero was the LOY but not on the all-conference list, while Washington's libero was on the all-conference list but not LOY. But ... Sofia is on the all-conference team. She did get all conference team
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Post by pittpittpitt on Apr 7, 2021 22:28:24 GMT -5
I just realized that in their press release, the conference alphabetized Ella May Powell by the "M" in May. (I fixed it on my list.) I'm pretty sure that Ella May is her personal name, right? "Ella May" "Powell", and not "Ella" "May Powell"? You are correct it is “Ella May” “Powell”
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 7, 2021 22:41:36 GMT -5
Personally, I would’ve given POY to Nuneviller , I mean talk about the turn around in oregon from last season?! I would argue Ronika and Willow were two of the best players in their respective position to come out of oregon and they did so poorly. Brooke took it to an 11 in all aspects of her game and got second in the pac and their highest tournament seed(?). Utah underperformed and really looking rough Brooke is clearly the leader of this Oregon team. She was a deserving candidate for sure but I'm sure she's more concerned with how the team does in the tournament than whether she wins an award. Also Oregon got a 5 seed in 2012 (only other time they've ever finished 2nd in the PAC) but took out #4 Nebraska at their house to make the Final Four. Would love to see another deep run. GO DUCKS!
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