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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 7, 2021 23:43:31 GMT -5
I'm sure she's more concerned with how the team does in the tournament than whether she wins an award. I am always amused when people make this claim. Even if it is being made by the person themselves I'm not sure if I believe it, and I definitely don't believe it when people make it about someone else. I mean, it could be true. Sure. But it could be not true, and why would any of us know whether it was true or not?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 7, 2021 23:44:13 GMT -5
I'm sure she's more concerned with how the team does in the tournament than whether she wins an award. I am always amused when people make this claim. Even if it is being made by the person themselves I'm not sure if I believe it, and I definitely don't believe it when people make it about someone else. I mean, it could be true. Sure. But it could be not true, and why would any of us know whether it was true or not? It's also a way of " OK, didn't win the award, moving on now and focused on bigger goals."
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 7, 2021 23:47:30 GMT -5
I am always amused when people make this claim. Even if it is being made by the person themselves I'm not sure if I believe it, and I definitely don't believe it when people make it about someone else. I mean, it could be true. Sure. But it could be not true, and why would any of us know whether it was true or not? It's also a way of " OK, didn't win the award, moving on now and focused on bigger goals." I find that much more believable.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 8, 2021 0:07:05 GMT -5
It's also a way of " OK, didn't win the award, moving on now and focused on bigger goals." I find that much more believable. Also, losing in the tourney to end seasons/careers sucks much more than being passed over for an award.
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Post by socal3 on Apr 8, 2021 0:21:53 GMT -5
then it stands to reason that all of those players shouldn't have done well enough to be all conference. Reason? 3 days ago you said it was ridiculous they weren't a top 16 seed. Want to know how bad the setting was? Over their final 8 matches of the year UCLA passed a 57% GP (very good) but hit a higher efficiency in transition than they did in FBSO! The setting was the only 'reason' UCLA didn't win the Pac. If you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you’re buried in the stats, setting is the “only” reason. There’s also qualitative factors like coaching, leadership and culture and these qualitative factors can impact W/L significantly. IMO setting is not the “only” reason UCLA didn’t win the PAC.
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Post by azvolleydad on Apr 8, 2021 0:23:24 GMT -5
I find that much more believable. Also, losing in the tourney to end seasons/careers sucks much more than being passed over for an award. I’d bet the farm that Brooke would rather be a National Champion than a POY. Luckily, they’re never an either/or choice.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 8, 2021 0:27:31 GMT -5
then it stands to reason that all of those players shouldn't have done well enough to be all conference. Reason? 3 days ago you said it was ridiculous they weren't a top 16 seed. Want to know how bad the setting was? Over their final 8 matches of the year UCLA passed a 57% GP (very good) but hit a higher efficiency in transition than they did in FBSO! The setting was the only 'reason' UCLA didn't win the Pac. Well I don’t disagree that the setting was bad, what I disagree with is using anything re the setting to justify placement of UCLA hitters on all conference. I just don’t see how Ndaiye, in particular, makes all conference playing for a team that finished 5th in the conference and ranks 35th in points per set when there are top 10 points per set attackers and the leading assist per set being left off the list.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 1:50:51 GMT -5
Reason? 3 days ago you said it was ridiculous they weren't a top 16 seed. Want to know how bad the setting was? Over their final 8 matches of the year UCLA passed a 57% GP (very good) but hit a higher efficiency in transition than they did in FBSO! The setting was the only 'reason' UCLA didn't win the Pac. Well I don’t disagree that the setting was bad, what I disagree with is using anything re the setting to justify placement of UCLA hitters on all conference. I just don’t see how Ndaiye, in particular, makes all conference playing for a team that finished 5th in the conference and ranks 35th in points per set when there are top 10 points per set attackers and the leading assist per set being left off the list. Stats? This isn't POW. Ndiaye wasn't on the all-Pac team because was 35th in points per set. She wasn't even all-Pac because she led all pins in hitting efficiency (Dreschel was second, Koerber was third). She was on the all-Pac team because, after scouting and playing her, enough of the coaches felt she was one of the 20 best players in the conference. I don't think any of those coaches were using the UCLA's setting to justify Ndiaye's place on the all conference team. It seems the consensus was that her performances were sufficient justification.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 8, 2021 3:40:18 GMT -5
Well I don’t disagree that the setting was bad, what I disagree with is using anything re the setting to justify placement of UCLA hitters on all conference. I just don’t see how Ndaiye, in particular, makes all conference playing for a team that finished 5th in the conference and ranks 35th in points per set when there are top 10 points per set attackers and the leading assist per set being left off the list. Stats? This isn't POW. Ndiaye wasn't on the all-Pac team because was 35th in points per set. She wasn't even all-Pac because she led all pins in hitting efficiency (Dreschel was second, Koerber was third). She was on the all-Pac team because, after scouting and playing her, enough of the coaches felt she was one of the 20 best players in the conference. I don't think any of those coaches were using the UCLA's setting to justify Ndiaye's place on the all conference team. It seems the consensus was that her performances were sufficient justification. Based on previous year's votes, I believe that the coaches (or at least enough of them to make a difference) do have the stats up in front of them when considering their votes. Or they do in a normal year, anyway. However, I also assume that they vote to some extent based on what they saw either in their matches or in prepping for their matches. And of course, these things are cross-correlated. Players who are impressive in person usually have impressive stats and vice versa.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 8, 2021 8:34:08 GMT -5
8 MBs were HMs. Clearly no consensus among the coaches after Jehlarova. Jehlarova is great and should be 1st team AA this season after last season's 2nd team AA snub
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Post by bigfan on Apr 8, 2021 8:36:24 GMT -5
WSU with 4 1st team and 2nd team players who all are either 1st or second year players. Loaded for spring 2021, fall 2021 and fall 2022 play offs
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Post by udubhuskiefan on Apr 8, 2021 9:10:28 GMT -5
WSU with 4 1st team and 2nd team players who all are either 1st or second year players. Loaded for spring 2021, fall 2021 and fall 2022 play offs True. They should contend for the title in the next years. I think USC can make some noise next year too. Bays will also help UW.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Apr 10, 2021 13:16:44 GMT -5
I'm sure she's more concerned with how the team does in the tournament than whether she wins an award. I am always amused when people make this claim. Even if it is being made by the person themselves I'm not sure if I believe it, and I definitely don't believe it when people make it about someone else. I mean, it could be true. Sure. But it could be not true, and why would any of us know whether it was true or not? While Nuneviller was certainly a deserving candidate for POY, I doubt that she, or Oregon fans, for that matter, had any real expectation that she would win it, so I doubt there was any real disappointment over not winning it. Drews was the clear frontrunner. The POY award is slanted heavily toward offensive production - Nuneviller was #8 in kills/set and #9 in points/set.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 13, 2021 14:18:14 GMT -5
As best I can tell, McCall prefers her first name to be spelled élan (no capitalization), so I changed it to that.
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Post by hammer on Apr 13, 2021 16:16:56 GMT -5
WSU with 4 1st team and 2nd team players who all are either 1st or second year players. Loaded for spring 2021, fall 2021 and fall 2022 play offs They should be good, and 2nd largest team in the Pac-12. Stanford will be YUGE and athletic on the block. I pity the team that is OOS against the monster wall they'll have in place.
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