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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 20, 2021 9:16:11 GMT -5
No knock intended towards Washington. The main point - the NCAA Tournament doesn't determine the best team. One and done matches doesn't tell us the 4 best teams. who do you think the 4 best teams are then? No idea from an objective POV - I only watched a few games (if that would make a difference anyway). The schedules made it impossible to compare teams from different conferences and this tournament doesn't answer those questions. Just my opinion based on talent and what I saw the last couple days. Texas is the best team. Wisconsin might be the best team if they had played more matches over the last 6 weeks. Nebraska is the best coached team. Kentucky and Florida looked really good and talented to me. Washington and Pittsburgh are talented teams that played with a lot of guts and are easy to pull for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 9:18:59 GMT -5
who do you think the 4 best teams are then? No idea from an objective POV - I only watched a few games (if that would make a difference anyway). The schedules made it impossible to compare teams from different conferences and this tournament doesn't answer those questions. Just my opinion based on talent and what I saw the last couple days. Texas is the best team. Wisconsin might be the best team if they had played more matches over the last 6 weeks. Nebraska is the best coached team. Kentucky and Florida looked really good and talented to me. Washington and Pittsburgh are talented teams that played with a lot of guts and are easy to pull for. I’d argue Penn State is the best coached team. They were punching WELL above their weight but rose had a good game plan.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 20, 2021 9:21:26 GMT -5
Basically, yeah. A lot of "all the talk" was triggered by me a few days ago. My main point was that I *expected* the PAC to lose some matches (although they lost even more than I expected) because the Committee had protected the B1G teams from facing dangerous unseeded opponents in the first couple of rounds -- like Pitt (who took out Utah), WKU (who took out Washington State), and Dayton (who almost took out Washington). If anything, I actually think the results showed that what I was saying had a lot of validity. And that the people who attacked the PAC-12 team strength because they lost to WKU and Pitt just didn't understand that the PAC teams were facing *much tougher* opponents than the B1G teams. Correct. Pac-12 teams had to face Pitt and WKU and proved they were worse than them. Utah at least. WKU/WSU could go either way. It's just a weird way to argue that Pac-12 teams were under-seeded. Maybe it was a round later, but Nebraska still stomped Baylor (without Stivrins). With similar seeds (7/10), Purdue beat Oregon by a pretty wide overall margin. Those were the 'over-seeded' Big Ten teams, right? I guess Penn State, but their results didn't really make an argument either way. It's weird to keep harping on Pac-12 disrespect after the results we've seen. The league went 1-2 against seeded teams (losses to #7 and #16) and had two losses to unseeded teams. GOOD unseeded teams, but unseeded nonetheless. I think the results make it hard to argue the B1G was head and shoulders above everyone enough to make the 6th team #13 with 1 win over #5. That was my main complaint, not that the PAC was underseeded. I think the PAC fans you refer to were complaining about that too. All of the PAC teams were mostly in a range that wouldn’t have changed the matchups much (except UCLA).. I had Baylor unseeded too, interestingly. They got whomped. Washington got a favorable draw and was better off #6 than #4 (imo). We’ll never know what happened if Purdue and Penn St. had tougher 1st round matches, but I believe that’s what they should have had. Draws matter regardless. I think Utah beats Notre Dame and Oregon easily could lose to Pittsburgh. That’s what’s so hard to make conclusions from single matches. But the B1G was sooo close to having 4 of the Top 7 seeds and having 0 make the Final Four. That’s a little concerning to me if we go down the results path. The PAC did not have a good showing at all.. My argument was based on this year having no non conference and even based on historical precedent, it was strange to do that. It was strange re: Illinois/Purdue in 2019. Tournament results shouldn’t affect that either way. But, The ACC has clearly had the biggest upsets two years running and it’s not close. I hope we have meaningful non conf and RPI rankings and we don’t overvalue any particular conference in the Fall. The ACC shouldn’t get rewarded nor anyone penalized for their tournament performance. I think the at larges were mostly all justified, though Florida State got screwed.
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Post by donut on Apr 20, 2021 9:49:52 GMT -5
For all of the talk on this forum about the PAC and BIG and how strong they are compared to each other, I think the clearest takeaway is... The ACC, WCC and SEC deserve more respect. Yeah, I don’t think anybody is disputing that, are they? Whatever people were saying before the tournament, what we’ve seen is that the top couple of teams from a lot of different conferences were really good. Which is why I said “parity nationally.” I’m having trouble seeing how your point is different from mine except that you dialed up the hostility and used a SUPER dramatic ellipse. When I was reading it, I was like “oh my god, oh my god, I wonder what the clearest takeaway is, the suspense is killing me, I can’t wait to read the next line RIGHT AFTER I give this ellipse the dramatic pause it clearly demands.” So good job, you! You killed it with that ellipse. Based solely on today, I’d certainly say that UK looks like ... The team to beat. (Did I do that right?) lol oh my
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Post by Kingsley on Apr 20, 2021 10:22:14 GMT -5
Keegan is the only Final Four head coach with hair.
Some posters may tell you he's got other things going for him, too.
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Post by tedheise on Apr 20, 2021 15:57:01 GMT -5
No idea from an objective POV - I only watched a few games (if that would make a difference anyway). The schedules made it impossible to compare teams from different conferences and this tournament doesn't answer those questions. Just my opinion based on talent and what I saw the last couple days. Texas is the best team. Wisconsin might be the best team if they had played more matches over the last 6 weeks. Nebraska is the best coached team. Kentucky and Florida looked really good and talented to me. Washington and Pittsburgh are talented teams that played with a lot of guts and are easy to pull for. I’d argue Penn State is the best coached team. They were punching WELL above their weight but rose had a good game plan. Boy, you really do hate Cook.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:00:42 GMT -5
I’d argue Penn State is the best coached team. They were punching WELL above their weight but rose had a good game plan. Boy, you really do hate Cook. how is me giving credit to Russ Rose me hating cook? On paper Penn State really shouldn’t have been competitive with Texas. Nebraska should have been and they were for a good part of the match. I favor what Rose did more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:01:51 GMT -5
Boy, you really do hate Cook. how is me giving credit to Russ Rose me hating cook? On paper Penn State really shouldn’t have been competitive with Texas. Nebraska should have been and they were for a good part of the match. I favor what Rose did more. Penn State has 3 former All-Americans and 1 2x HM AA (Gray). They should absolutely be competitive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:03:04 GMT -5
how is me giving credit to Russ Rose me hating cook? On paper Penn State really shouldn’t have been competitive with Texas. Nebraska should have been and they were for a good part of the match. I favor what Rose did more. Penn State has 3 former All-Americans and 1 2x HM AA (Gray). are you really going to make the argument that Penn State has more talent than Nebraska this year? I know you’re capable of being unbiased don’t let this change that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:05:47 GMT -5
Penn State has 3 former All-Americans and 1 2x HM AA (Gray). are you really going to make the argument that Penn State has more talent than Nebraska this year? I know you’re capable of being unbiased don’t let this change that. i didn't say that (Im not saying anything about Nebraska) you said Penn State shouldn't be able to be competitive with Texas. With 3-4 All American caliber players, they absolutely should.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:08:03 GMT -5
are you really going to make the argument that Penn State has more talent than Nebraska this year? I know you’re capable of being unbiased don’t let this change that. i didn't say that (Im not saying anything about Nebraska) you said Penn State shouldn't be able to be competitive with Texas. With 3-4 All American caliber players, they absolutely should. well you definitely took the smaller part of what I was saying ignoring the fact that my main point was that Russ Rose is fantastic for being able to prepare his very outmatched team for Texas. Texas also has like 6 all American caliber players all over the court. I also wasn’t saying anything about Nebraska until a homer thought me praising Rose was dissing cook.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:11:48 GMT -5
i didn't say that (Im not saying anything about Nebraska) you said Penn State shouldn't be able to be competitive with Texas. With 3-4 All American caliber players, they absolutely should. well you definitely took the smaller part of what I was saying ignoring the fact that my main point was that Russ Rose is fantastic for being able to prepare his very outmatched team for Texas. Texas also has like 6 all American caliber players all over the court. I also wasn’t saying anything about Nebraska until a homer thought me praising Rose was dissing cook. that is my point. Penn State should be competitive with Texas with the roster they have. It's not like they're Rice out here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:13:12 GMT -5
well you definitely took the smaller part of what I was saying ignoring the fact that my main point was that Russ Rose is fantastic for being able to prepare his very outmatched team for Texas. Texas also has like 6 all American caliber players all over the court. I also wasn’t saying anything about Nebraska until a homer thought me praising Rose was dissing cook. that is my point. Penn State should be competitive with Texas with the roster they have. It's not like they're Rice out here. k
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:16:22 GMT -5
I posted about this in the Wisconsin/Florida thread but all of the B1G teams in Omaha have lost to or struggled with teams that have 2 elite OHs who can terminate OOS. It is hard to prepare for that if you don't see them in your gym/conference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:18:46 GMT -5
I posted about this in the Wisconsin/Florida thread but all of the B1G teams in Omaha have lost to or struggled with teams that have 2 elite OHs who can terminate OOS. It is hard to prepare for that if you don't see them in your gym/conference. yea this was definitely a weak year for OH in the B1G. Hall, Caesar, Skinner, Stumler, Eggleston, and Fields are better than most you’ll see in the big ten this year especially as a tandem like you said in the other thread.
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