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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 14, 2021 17:17:28 GMT -5
Congratulations to Morehead. Best win in the history of their program? Creighton’s rotation with Schmitt in and Davis receiving serve did them in, in the 5th. Creighton gets more points, digs, kills, hitting percentage, but it doesn’t matter. Creighton loses in the 1st Round for only the second time in 10 appearances. At least Creighton’s taraflex will advance! By the way, I'm always impressed by your sportsmanship as a poster. Just throwing that out there. |
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 14, 2021 17:19:32 GMT -5
If only Creighton swung like that LAST year on their match point in the round of 32.... we wouldn't have had to endure Minnesota's gift path to the final four. Pretty sure you should be more mad at Texas about that. Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny lol |
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Post by badgerbreath on Apr 14, 2021 17:30:27 GMT -5
Congratulations to Morehead. Best win in the history of their program? Creighton’s rotation with Schmitt in and Davis receiving serve did them in, in the 5th. Creighton gets more points, digs, kills, hitting percentage, but it doesn’t matter. Creighton loses in the 1st Round for only the second time in 10 appearances. At least Creighton’s taraflex will advance! You are right. It's actually a little hard to see how Creighton lost looking at the stats. |
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 14, 2021 17:30:48 GMT -5
If only Creighton swung like that LAST year on their match point in the round of 32.... we wouldn't have had to endure Minnesota's gift path to the final four. Pretty sure you should be more mad at Texas about that. Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny lol well *supposed to* is relative. Creighton was solid last year, and Final Four notwithstanding, Minnesota wasn't that great last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 17:31:59 GMT -5
Congratulations to Morehead. Best win in the history of their program? Creighton’s rotation with Schmitt in and Davis receiving serve did them in, in the 5th. Creighton gets more points, digs, kills, hitting percentage, but it doesn’t matter. Creighton loses in the 1st Round for only the second time in 10 appearances. At least Creighton’s taraflex will advance! You are right. It's actually a little hard to see how Creighton lost looking at the stats. Passing, passing, passing. 😔 and poor setting connections... the two things that don't show up on the box score |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 17:39:13 GMT -5
Pretty sure you should be more mad at Texas about that. Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny lol well *supposed to* is relative. Creighton was solid last year, and Final Four notwithstanding, Minnesota wasn't that great last year. This remains a myth I object to. No, they weren't that GREAT last year. But they WERE great at winning with their backs to the wall or with serious handicaps. Personally, I think they deserve more credit than they get for winning without Miller and coming back to beat Creighton, etc. etc. Just like I think Oregon deserves the credit for upsetting the Gophers the year before. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 14, 2021 17:39:35 GMT -5
You are right. It's actually a little hard to see how Creighton lost looking at the stats. Passing, passing, passing. 😔 and poor setting connections... the two things that don't show up on the box score Part of it is that Creighton won the fourth set by 11 points, whereas the other four sets were decided by three points or less. And one thing that does show up in the box score is Creighton's 11 service errors to five aces, whereas Morehead State had seven of each. That's a difference of six extra points. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 17:41:24 GMT -5
Another thing I don't understand, just like in the High Point match. MAYBE those service errors have something to do with how the teams are serving?
Don't know. Didn't watch this one. But it's easy to jump to conclusions about aces and errors.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 14, 2021 17:48:47 GMT -5
Another thing I don't understand, just like in the High Point match. MAYBE those service errors have something to do with how the teams are serving? Don't know. Didn't watch this one. But it's easy to jump to conclusions about aces and errors. Well, aces and errors don't tell the entire story, but the fact is that Morehead State got six extra points over the course of the match from those two stats. I'd have to go back and look at the play-by-play to see exactly where they happened. But I have a hard time believing they didn't matter at all. |
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 14, 2021 17:50:47 GMT -5
well *supposed to* is relative. Creighton was solid last year, and Final Four notwithstanding, Minnesota wasn't that great last year. This remains a myth I object to. No, they weren't that GREAT last year. But they WERE great at winning with their backs to the wall or with serious handicaps. Personally, I think they deserve more credit than they get for winning without Miller and coming back to beat Creighton, etc. etc. Just like I think Oregon deserves the credit for upsetting the Gophers the year before. I don't disagree. Minnesota was good last year, but so was Creighton (IMO), which is why I objected to the statement that "Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny lol". I don't think the differential in play between those two teams warranted that kind of statement. That's not to say that Minnesota wasn't favored to win, but, IMO, saying that Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny implies that Creighton was some huge underdog that needed a miracle to beat Minnesota, and IMO that wasn't the case. Just like in the Oregon/Minny 2018 match. Oregon was a ranked, seeded team, with a prior win against Minnesota and plenty of wins in the Pac-12. It's not like Oregon wasn't capable of beating Minnesota again. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 17:57:58 GMT -5
Another thing I don't understand, just like in the High Point match. MAYBE those service errors have something to do with how the teams are serving? Don't know. Didn't watch this one. But it's easy to jump to conclusions about aces and errors. Well, aces and errors don't tell the entire story, but the fact is that Morehead State got six extra points over the course of the match from those two stats. I'd have to go back and look at the play-by-play to see exactly where they happened. But I have a hard time believing they didn't matter at all. Didn't say they didn't matter at all. But what happened with the other serves? That's what is often overlooked. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 14, 2021 18:03:24 GMT -5
After looking at the play-by-play, Morehead State was +3 on aces and errors in the second set, which they won by three and +2 in the fifth set, which they won by two. So yeah, I would say that it mattered. They were actually -3 in the third set, which they also won, so it wasn't the difference there, but it was in two of the sets they won. Obviously, it's not the only thing that mattered. But in a close match, those things can make the difference.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 14, 2021 18:04:00 GMT -5
This remains a myth I object to. No, they weren't that GREAT last year. But they WERE great at winning with their backs to the wall or with serious handicaps. Personally, I think they deserve more credit than they get for winning without Miller and coming back to beat Creighton, etc. etc. Just like I think Oregon deserves the credit for upsetting the Gophers the year before. I don't disagree. Minnesota was good last year, but so was Creighton (IMO), which is why I objected to the statement that "Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny lol". I don't think the differential in play between those two teams warranted that kind of statement. That's not to say that Minnesota wasn't favored to win, but, IMO, saying that Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny implies that Creighton was some huge underdog that needed a miracle to beat Minnesota, and IMO that wasn't the case. Just like in the Oregon/Minny 2018 match. Oregon was a ranked, seeded team, with a prior win against Minnesota and plenty of wins in the Pac-12. It's not like Oregon wasn't capable of beating Minnesota again. Capable is one thing (I maintain that at any time a lower ranked team is capable of beating a higher ranked team) but expected is another. I have to assume Minnesota was expected to beat Creighton last year. Minny plays in a tougher conference with more talented players (IMO) than Creighton and had the hometown crowd at their backs. |
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 14, 2021 18:07:34 GMT -5
This remains a myth I object to. No, they weren't that GREAT last year. But they WERE great at winning with their backs to the wall or with serious handicaps. Personally, I think they deserve more credit than they get for winning without Miller and coming back to beat Creighton, etc. etc. Just like I think Oregon deserves the credit for upsetting the Gophers the year before. I don't disagree. Minnesota was good last year, but so was Creighton (IMO), which is why I objected to the statement that "Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny lol". I don't think the differential in play between those two teams warranted that kind of statement. That's not to say that Minnesota wasn't favored to win, but, IMO, saying that Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny implies that Creighton was some huge underdog that needed a miracle to beat Minnesota, and IMO that wasn't the case. Just like in the Oregon/Minny 2018 match. Oregon was a ranked, seeded team, with a prior win against Minnesota and plenty of wins in the Pac-12. It's not like Oregon wasn't capable of beating Minnesota again. ? You cited Creighton losing to a 7 seed Minnesota on the Gophers' home court as being a reason for Minnesota getting an easier path to the final four. I simply pointed out that 2nd seed Texas losing to unseeded Louisville played a pretty big role in that as well. Since you mention everything being relative, I think you can understand that Texas losing was a massive upset and Creighton losing was....not. So in terms of darn look who screwed up, that was my response. |
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 14, 2021 18:09:59 GMT -5
I don't disagree. Minnesota was good last year, but so was Creighton (IMO), which is why I objected to the statement that "Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny lol". I don't think the differential in play between those two teams warranted that kind of statement. That's not to say that Minnesota wasn't favored to win, but, IMO, saying that Creighton wasn't supposed to beat Minny implies that Creighton was some huge underdog that needed a miracle to beat Minnesota, and IMO that wasn't the case. Just like in the Oregon/Minny 2018 match. Oregon was a ranked, seeded team, with a prior win against Minnesota and plenty of wins in the Pac-12. It's not like Oregon wasn't capable of beating Minnesota again. ? You cited Creighton losing to a 7 seed Minnesota on the Gophers' home court as being a reason for Minnesota getting an easier path to the final four. I simply pointed out that 2nd seed Texas losing to unseeded Louisville played a pretty big role in that as well. Since you mention everything being relative, I think you can understand that Texas losing was a massive upset and Creighton losing was....not. So in terms of darn look who screwed up, that was my response. I'm well aware of why that regions path to the final four broke down, I'm just saying that it would have been nice for Creighton to have beaten Minny...they swung for match point. |
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