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Post by alohavball on May 14, 2021 12:26:01 GMT -5
FIVB has this as China's roster... quite uh thin S: Linyu Diao, Di Yao OH/Opp: Yao Li, Changning Zhang, Xiaotong Liu, Yanhan Liu, Fang Duan MB: Hanyu Yang, Yi Gao, Yuanyuan Wang, Yixin Zheng L: Li Lin, Mengjie Wang 13 players is really short for this compact tournament. While Lowe was training hard and waiting to see her name on the USA roster, Duan Fang who wasn't even training in the gym with the Chinese NT woke up this morning surprised to see her name on the VNL list. Damn! |
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Post by basil on May 14, 2021 12:31:12 GMT -5
Then she just needs to retire from the NT. She hasn’t played with them since 2017. She got a taste of what winning was like with Imoco. Playing club is much easier and fun, but on the Dutch NT it's stressful. I honestly don't see her playing for them again. It would be nice to see her end her career with the NT in front of her home country at WCH 2022, but their outlook for that doesn't look well. It might just bring her more stress and anxiety to be back the the Dutch squad with all its constant changes of players/coaches. She was with them at the IOQT in 2019. I hope she sticks around to try to qualify for 2024, she’s still only 30. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 14, 2021 12:47:36 GMT -5
FIVB has this as China's roster... quite uh thin S: Linyu Diao, Di Yao OH/Opp: Yao Li, Changning Zhang, Xiaotong Liu, Yanhan Liu, Fang Duan MB: Hanyu Yang, Yi Gao, Yuanyuan Wang, Yixin Zheng L: Li Lin, Mengjie Wang 13 players is really short for this compact tournament. While Lowe was training hard and waiting to see her name on the USA roster, Duan Fang who wasn't even training in the gym with the Chinese NT woke up this morning surprised to see her name on the VNL list. Damn! I bet Duan Fang was as surprised as you were/are. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 12:52:15 GMT -5
Another big factor here... rankings.
Rankings are going to qualify 11 teams to the 2022 WCH (Poland, Netherlands, and Serbia all have their spot) 2 from each continental championship as well. then the next 11 highest ranked teams...
we saw the dip Serbia got... i can see some teams sky-ing and some falling
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 12:59:10 GMT -5
I immediately retract my statement I made about this being the most competitive edition of the VNL.
Serbia's roster is a joke, just like I figured. Italy and China's are underwhelming. I wonder if they will utilize the 6 substitutions during week 3?
Russia's is interesting to me. No Parubets, Voronokova, Efimova and Romanova but all of the other Olympic starters are present. Perhaps they too will utilize the week 3 substitutions?
Lippmann could make an appearance if Germany does well during the first two weeks.
USA and Brazil should make the finals quite easily.
After that it's honestly a wash. Perhaps Turkey, The Netherlands, and Russia?
Italy's roster could still make some splashes.
Most teams are missing just enough key players that it will at least be interesting to watch the middle of the pack. This bodes well for teams like Serbia, Korea, Thailand and Canada who are my bottom 4 right now.
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Post by alohavball on May 14, 2021 12:59:23 GMT -5
13 players for six weeks? I would just bring some youth players at that point but idk. Who really knows. I also don't understand why China isn't bringing Wang Yizhu, Ni Feifan, etc. You think this is really their final roster or will a few more names show up by next week? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 13:02:57 GMT -5
I immediately retract my statement I made about this being the most competitive edition of the VNL. Serbia's roster is a joke, just like I figured. Italy and China's are underwhelming. I wonder if they will utilize the 6 substitutions during week 3? Russia's is interesting to me. No Parubets, Voronokova, Efimova and Romanova but all of the other Olympic starters are present. Perhaps they too will utilize the week 3 substitutions? Lippmann could make an appearance if Germany does well during the first two weeks. USA and Brazil should make the finals quite easily. After that it's honestly a wash. Perhaps Turkey, The Netherlands, and Russia? Italy's roster could still make some splashes. Most teams are missing just enough key players that it will at least be interesting to watch the middle of the pack. This bodes well for teams like Serbia, Korea, Thailand and Canada who are my bottom 4 right now. I might be wrong... but I really like Canada to make a splash. This depends heavily on their passing (of course, if only they had Brisebois) but Gray+Van Ryk + the Cross/Maglio combo is really solid. If their passing can be even just okay + decent setting from King... I think they can surprise us. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 14, 2021 13:02:58 GMT -5
Another big factor here... rankings. Rankings are going to qualify 11 teams to the 2022 WCH (Poland, Netherlands, and Serbia all have their spot) 2 from each continental championship as well. then the next 11 highest ranked teams... we saw the dip Serbia got... i can see some teams sky-ing and some falling China leads Japan and South Korea by like 120 points in both FIVB and AVC rankings. I'm not worried about their qualification to 2022 lol  |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 14, 2021 13:04:16 GMT -5
I immediately retract my statement I made about this being the most competitive edition of the VNL. Serbia's roster is a joke, just like I figured. Italy and China's are underwhelming. I wonder if they will utilize the 6 substitutions during week 3? Russia's is interesting to me. No Parubets, Voronokova, Efimova and Romanova but all of the other Olympic starters are present. Perhaps they too will utilize the week 3 substitutions? Lippmann could make an appearance if Germany does well during the first two weeks. USA and Brazil should make the finals quite easily. After that it's honestly a wash. Perhaps Turkey, The Netherlands, and Russia? Italy's roster could still make some splashes. Most teams are missing just enough key players that it will at least be interesting to watch the middle of the pack. This bodes well for teams like Serbia, Korea, Thailand and Canada who are my bottom 4 right now. We must have different interpretations of "competitive". USA aside I don't see any other team that's clearly better than the others. Many results are possible!
Unlike, for example, the last world cup when the first two places were practically known before the tournament started.
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Post by vbct3 on May 14, 2021 13:04:49 GMT -5
I also don't understand why China isn't bringing Wang Yizhu, Ni Feifan, etc. You think this is really their final roster or will a few more names show up by next week? They cannot have 2 liberos if they only have a roster of 13. In order to have 2 liberos, they need to have 14 players, so surely more names will be added. That being said, they could be choosing to play each match with only 12 players, so they'll just leave the backup libero off the active roster for each match to make their roster legal. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 13:05:58 GMT -5
Another big factor here... rankings. Rankings are going to qualify 11 teams to the 2022 WCH (Poland, Netherlands, and Serbia all have their spot) 2 from each continental championship as well. then the next 11 highest ranked teams... we saw the dip Serbia got... i can see some teams sky-ing and some falling China leads Japan and South Korea by like 120 points in both FIVB and AVC rankings. I'm not worried about their qualification to 2022 lol China is safe. But it'll be important to Korea/Thailand.
Same goes for the Euro teams (especially the non-olympic ones)
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 14, 2021 13:07:17 GMT -5
I also don't understand why China isn't bringing Wang Yizhu, Ni Feifan, etc. You think this is really their final roster or will a few more names show up by next week? I think it's the final roster, but 2 things could happen at end of 3rd week:
1. 6 players leave the bubble, and 6 "fillers" enter -- (i.e. Wang Yizhu, Ni Feifan, Chen Peiyan, etc) then we have our olympic roster of 12 (i.e. the players that left)
2. Zhu, Li, etc enter the bubble, and some leave. Then we can't be sure although we will know that the players who left got eliminated.
I will say that taking less players to 9 rounds of VNL than to 2 rounds of friendlies against Japan is ... strange.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 14, 2021 13:12:14 GMT -5
China leads Japan and South Korea by like 120 points in both FIVB and AVC rankings. I'm not worried about their qualification to 2022 lol China is safe. But it'll be important to Korea/Thailand.
Same goes for the Euro teams (especially the non-olympic ones)
top 2 teams from each competition, and after that it's the world rankings.
AVC is most likely China and Japan. Korea and Thailand will have to look at the world rankings (top 11 who didn't qualify)
Honestly I could see Korea dropping off after losing the bully twins.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on May 14, 2021 13:18:02 GMT -5
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Post by werka on May 14, 2021 13:22:46 GMT -5
werka your prediction of a usa china final? Not anymore for VNL lol |
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