Big Ten Fall 2021

[gibbyb1]

Sept 15, 2021 8:42:09 GMT -5 @gophers4life said:

Considering the last two years, Wisconsin can't be considered favorite for anything beyond making it to the final four. Sorry, #facts

And while last weekend was nice, I think until proven otherwise Minnesota belongs in that Tier 3 group.

Do you not realize how stupid this is? Did you say that about Kentucky last year regarding g their two prior seasons?

[gibbyb1]

Sept 15, 2021 0:51:04 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Still early, but a few weeks in we have a little more to base tiers on. Here’s how i view the teams considering what they’ve shown to this point. Any other opinions?

Tier 1: Wisconsin- (nat’l champ contenders, maybe favorites)
Tier 2: Ohio State, Minnesota- (potential for a final four run)
Tier 3: Nebraska, Purdue- (top 16 seed but Final 4 not highly likely)
Tier 4: Penn State- (certain for tourney bid, questionable to be seeded)
Tier 5: Michigan, Illinois- (tourney bid likely but work to do)
Tier 6: Maryland, Rutgers- (respectable but no postseason hopes)
Tier 7: Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern- (bad teams)

Nebraska has at least as much potential for a final 4 run as Minnesota or OSU.

[trojansc]

Sept 15, 2021 0:51:04 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Still early, but a few weeks in we have a little more to base tiers on. Here’s how i view the teams considering what they’ve shown to this point. Any other opinions?

Tier 1: Wisconsin- (nat’l champ contenders, maybe favorites)
Tier 2: Ohio State, Minnesota- (potential for a final four run)
Tier 3: Nebraska, Purdue- (top 16 seed but Final 4 not highly likely)
Tier 4: Penn State- (certain for tourney bid, questionable to be seeded)
Tier 5: Michigan, Illinois- (tourney bid likely but work to do)
Tier 6: Maryland, Rutgers- (respectable but no postseason hopes)
Tier 7: Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern- (bad teams)

5 seeds for the B1G is not a certainty.

[gibbyb1]

Sept 15, 2021 9:24:23 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Sept 15, 2021 0:51:04 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Still early, but a few weeks in we have a little more to base tiers on. Here’s how i view the teams considering what they’ve shown to this point. Any other opinions?

Tier 1: Wisconsin- (nat’l champ contenders, maybe favorites)
Tier 2: Ohio State, Minnesota- (potential for a final four run)
Tier 3: Nebraska, Purdue- (top 16 seed but Final 4 not highly likely)
Tier 4: Penn State- (certain for tourney bid, questionable to be seeded)
Tier 5: Michigan, Illinois- (tourney bid likely but work to do)
Tier 6: Maryland, Rutgers- (respectable but no postseason hopes)
Tier 7: Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern- (bad teams)

5 seeds for the B1G is not a certainty.

Well nothing is a certainty, but it’s pretty likely.

[bprtbone]

Sept 15, 2021 0:51:04 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Still early, but a few weeks in we have a little more to base tiers on. Here’s how i view the teams considering what they’ve shown to this point. Any other opinions?

Tier 1: Wisconsin- (nat’l champ contenders, maybe favorites)
Tier 2: Ohio State, Minnesota- (potential for a final four run)
Tier 3: Nebraska, Purdue- (top 16 seed but Final 4 not highly likely)
Tier 4: Penn State- (certain for tourney bid, questionable to be seeded)
Tier 5: Michigan, Illinois- (tourney bid likely but work to do)
Tier 6: Maryland, Rutgers- (respectable but no postseason hopes)
Tier 7: Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern- (bad teams)

This is pretty fair. I'm not convinced that Michigan is likely to get a tournament bid; their young starters are very inconsistent. And despite their current record, I would bump Iowa up a tier.

[trojansc]

Sept 15, 2021 9:29:27 GMT -5 gibbyb1 said:

Sept 15, 2021 9:24:23 GMT -5 trojansc said:

5 seeds for the B1G is not a certainty.

Well nothing is a certainty, but it’s pretty likely.

I don’t know about that. We’ll know more after the end of this week, B1G’s RPI is not as friendly as the past. The ACC can really make things interesting Minnesota’s wins this past weekend were huge though, and made this much more possible.

Of course, if we use 2019 precedent or the #26 RPI team can still get a top 16 seed precedent, yes, i’ll say pretty likely.

[gibbyb1]

Sept 15, 2021 9:31:27 GMT -5 bprtbone said:

Sept 15, 2021 0:51:04 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Still early, but a few weeks in we have a little more to base tiers on. Here’s how i view the teams considering what they’ve shown to this point. Any other opinions?

Tier 1: Wisconsin- (nat’l champ contenders, maybe favorites)
Tier 2: Ohio State, Minnesota- (potential for a final four run)
Tier 3: Nebraska, Purdue- (top 16 seed but Final 4 not highly likely)
Tier 4: Penn State- (certain for tourney bid, questionable to be seeded)
Tier 5: Michigan, Illinois- (tourney bid likely but work to do)
Tier 6: Maryland, Rutgers- (respectable but no postseason hopes)
Tier 7: Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern- (bad teams)

This is pretty fair. I'm not convinced that Michigan is likely to get a tournament bid; their young starters are very inconsistent. And despite their current record, I would bump Iowa up a tier.

You would? 

[gibbyb1]

Sept 15, 2021 9:37:03 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Sept 15, 2021 9:29:27 GMT -5 gibbyb1 said:

Well nothing is a certainty, but it’s pretty likely.

I don’t know about that. We’ll know more after the end of this week, B1G’s RPI is not as friendly as the past. The ACC can really make things interesting Minnesota’s wins this past weekend were huge though, and made this much more possible.

Of course, if we use 2019 precedent or the #26 RPI team can still get a top 16 seed precedent, yes, i’ll say pretty likely.

Well looking at RPI projections Georgia Tech, UNC, and Florida St would all be seeded. I’d hope the committee would intercede.

[trojansc]

Sept 15, 2021 9:38:15 GMT -5 gibbyb1 said:

Sept 15, 2021 9:31:27 GMT -5 bprtbone said:

This is pretty fair. I'm not convinced that Michigan is likely to get a tournament bid; their young starters are very inconsistent. And despite their current record, I would bump Iowa up a tier.

You would? 

Why not? Iowa beating Iowa State is better than anything Rutgers and Maryland have done. They’ve played nobody. Well, Rutgers played FGCU and got swept.

Maryland+Rutgers are monumentally helping the conference RPI from taking even more of a hit than it would have this year, especially since it is likely they won’t beat anyone in tournament contention.

[trojansc]

Sept 15, 2021 9:41:17 GMT -5 gibbyb1 said:

Sept 15, 2021 9:37:03 GMT -5 trojansc said:

I don’t know about that. We’ll know more after the end of this week, B1G’s RPI is not as friendly as the past. The ACC can really make things interesting Minnesota’s wins this past weekend were huge though, and made this much more possible.

Of course, if we use 2019 precedent or the #26 RPI team can still get a top 16 seed precedent, yes, i’ll say pretty likely.

Well looking at RPI projections Georgia Tech, UNC, and Florida St would all be seeded. I’d hope the committee would intercede.

Georgia Tech will have non-conference top wins of Penn State and UCF, along with likely T25+T50 wins in conference. Their seeding chances are excellent.

UNC and Florida State are trickier, because of their non conference schedules. Because Pitt especially and Louisville (may) have beaten so many top teams, the catcher here is that the ACC teams can pull an upset over those teams and increase their already inflated RPI, *AND* win a common opponents advantage over other seeded contention teams who lost to Pitt and Louisville. North Carolina needs Michigan to be good, FSU really could use a win over Florida. Miami-FL needs to beat UCF.

[Deleted]

Sept 15, 2021 9:18:28 GMT -5 gibbyb1 said:

Do you not realize how stupid this is?

Meh. I truly do not care.

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Sept 15, 2021 9:20:16 GMT -5 gibbyb1 said:

Sept 15, 2021 0:51:04 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Still early, but a few weeks in we have a little more to base tiers on. Here’s how i view the teams considering what they’ve shown to this point. Any other opinions?

Tier 1: Wisconsin- (nat’l champ contenders, maybe favorites)
Tier 2: Ohio State, Minnesota- (potential for a final four run)
Tier 3: Nebraska, Purdue- (top 16 seed but Final 4 not highly likely)
Tier 4: Penn State- (certain for tourney bid, questionable to be seeded)
Tier 5: Michigan, Illinois- (tourney bid likely but work to do)
Tier 6: Maryland, Rutgers- (respectable but no postseason hopes)
Tier 7: Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern- (bad teams)

Nebraska has at least as much potential for a final 4 run as Minnesota or OSU.

What has Ohio State really done beside beating my Huskies at home during first weekend of the season? I’d rank in this fashion based on three weeks of matches (still waaaay to early):

Wisconsin - best team in the country
Minnesota - great bounce-back at Oregon
Nebraska - counting on the return of Strivins and Sun, plus Orr in setting position
Purdue - solid start to season vs. top 10 SOS
Ohio State - returns most everybody and has great talent
Penn State - can make as much improvement as most as season progresses
Michigan - what’s going on in Ann Arbor?
Illinois - most likely will finish season ahead of Michigan

[slxpress]

Sept 15, 2021 9:08:17 GMT -5 @gophers4life said:

Sept 15, 2021 8:49:45 GMT -5 slxpress said:

As opposed to whom?

The rest of the other teams that didn't choke out in the natty in 2019 and the FF in 2020 (fake 2021 spring covid season). 🤷‍♂️

They choked out sometime before then.

[gophsstudent]

Sept 15, 2021 0:51:04 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Still early, but a few weeks in we have a little more to base tiers on. Here’s how i view the teams considering what they’ve shown to this point. Any other opinions?

Tier 1: Wisconsin- (nat’l champ contenders, maybe favorites)
Tier 2: Ohio State, Minnesota- (potential for a final four run)
Tier 3: Nebraska, Purdue- (top 16 seed but Final 4 not highly likely)
Tier 4: Penn State- (certain for tourney bid, questionable to be seeded)
Tier 5: Michigan, Illinois- (tourney bid likely but work to do)
Tier 6: Maryland, Rutgers- (respectable but no postseason hopes)
Tier 7: Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern- (bad teams)

I think this is pretty fair - for everyone saying Nebraska is at the same level as Minnesota, they lost to the only common opponent we’ve played, and are really struggling even finding out their lineup. Down the road, certainly will be in the same tier (esp. with Stivrens back), but right now everyone on Nebraska besides the middles are struggling to even hit .200…

[slxpress]

I'm not trying to be controversial, but is there an ExplainLikeImFive version of Penn State? They had that amazing run of 6 national championships in 8 years. Between 2003 and 20014 they won the B1G 12 out of 14 years, and finished 2nd the other two.

In the 6 seasons since then their conference finishes have been 4th/4th/T-1st/4th/T-2nd/6th, and their tournament finishes have been 3 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, and the Final Four in 2017. Not exactly something to hang your head in shame about by any reasonable measure, but not the level of dominance achieved previously. Again, not trying to bag on the program. I have a tremendous respect for Russ Rose, as every volleyball fan should. I just don't know enough to have any idea of what the chief factors for the mild drop off have been.