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Post by ineedajob on Apr 30, 2021 9:40:03 GMT -5
It can do both. In 2019, Cincinnati's setter led the country in assists per set because she had Jordan Thompson on her team, not because she was actually good at setting (I watched enough of the Bearcats to know this was primarily because of Thompson). I do agree with you about the frustration with volleyball stats (judging liberos by digs/set is also problematic, among others). I wish the better stats on VolleyMetrics were publicly available. Amen! I think it would really help people have a much better understanding of the sport too. Especially liberos, people would have a better idea of who is actually pretty solid. People’s reputations for best libero may transition to “fun to watch defensively” if better stats were around to paint a better picture VolleyMetrics would help people judge every position better... EXCEPT for setter, that's still a lost cause. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Apr 30, 2021 9:40:46 GMT -5
It can do both. In 2019, Cincinnati's setter led the country in assists per set because she had Jordan Thompson on her team, not because she was actually good at setting (I watched enough of the Bearcats to know this was primarily because of Thompson). I do agree with you about the frustration with volleyball stats (judging liberos by digs/set is also problematic, among others). I wish the better stats on VolleyMetrics were publicly available. Amen! I think it would really help people have a much better understanding of the sport too. Especially liberos, people would have a better idea of who is actually pretty solid. People’s reputations for best libero may transition to “fun to watch defensively” if better stats were around to paint a better picture If I hear another commentator talk about "passing is rated on a 3-point scale and it's all about how many options the setter has" one more time, I'm gonna scream at ESPN. |
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Post by hammer on Apr 30, 2021 10:35:00 GMT -5
Amen! I think it would really help people have a much better understanding of the sport too. Especially liberos, people would have a better idea of who is actually pretty solid. People’s reputations for best libero may transition to “fun to watch defensively” if better stats were around to paint a better picture If I hear another commentator talk about "passing is rated on a 3-point scale and it's all about how many options the setter has" one more time, I'm gonna scream at ESPN. I know what you mean sometimes I'd just like to ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 10:52:32 GMT -5
Amen! I think it would really help people have a much better understanding of the sport too. Especially liberos, people would have a better idea of who is actually pretty solid. People’s reputations for best libero may transition to “fun to watch defensively” if better stats were around to paint a better picture VolleyMetrics would help people judge every position better... EXCEPT for setter, that's still a lost cause. Coded game film. |
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Post by eotexas5 on Apr 30, 2021 11:49:53 GMT -5
It can do both. In 2019, Cincinnati's setter led the country in assists per set because she had Jordan Thompson on her team, not because she was actually good at setting (I watched enough of the Bearcats to know this was primarily because of Thompson). I do agree with you about the frustration with volleyball stats (judging liberos by digs/set is also problematic, among others). I wish the better stats on VolleyMetrics were publicly available. Typed a long response to this, but let it sit too long, and got logged out. tl;dr: I agree, and have no idea what a better metric would look like, cuz even set location isn't a good metric since setters like Gabriel often set the ball too tight on purpose because she has Eggleston and Fields who can just jump up, and abuse the block, and Fields absolutely crushed a few of those sets against Kentucky but then again Gabriel also set the ball completely over the net to the other side twice so it's a trade off thing but yes when Sedwick sets the ball too tight it's basically a death sentence ok! Twice? When...? |
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Apr 30, 2021 11:58:27 GMT -5
Typed a long response to this, but let it sit too long, and got logged out. tl;dr: I agree, and have no idea what a better metric would look like, cuz even set location isn't a good metric since setters like Gabriel often set the ball too tight on purpose because she has Eggleston and Fields who can just jump up, and abuse the block, and Fields absolutely crushed a few of those sets against Kentucky but then again Gabriel also set the ball completely over the net to the other side twice so it's a trade off thing but yes when Sedwick sets the ball too tight it's basically a death sentence ok! Twice? When...? I think the out of system bump set |
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Post by eotexas5 on Apr 30, 2021 12:05:58 GMT -5
I think the out of system bump set Ahh - so I guess Gabriel was the first setter in history to bump set an out of system ball across the plane of the net. Crazy! |
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Post by ltdks01 on Apr 30, 2021 12:07:58 GMT -5
I think the out of system bump set Ahh - so I guess Gabriel was the first setter in history to bump set an out of system ball across the plane of the net. Crazy! they made no such claim. It’s not that deep |
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Apr 30, 2021 12:17:11 GMT -5
I think the out of system bump set Ahh - so I guess Gabriel was the first setter in history to bump set an out of system ball across the plane of the net. Crazy! I’m just saying maybe that’s what they are talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 12:33:17 GMT -5
I think the out of system bump set Ahh - so I guess Gabriel was the first setter in history to bump set an out of system ball across the plane of the net. Crazy! it was pretty bad. Both times. Like 15 feet over the net bad. |
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Post by blackcrow on Apr 30, 2021 12:51:36 GMT -5
VolleyMetrics would help people judge every position better... EXCEPT for setter, that's still a lost cause. Coded game film. How accurate are NCAA stats relative to VolleyMetrics? |
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Post by n00b on Apr 30, 2021 12:58:06 GMT -5
How accurate are NCAA stats relative to VolleyMetrics? VM is probably slightly less accurate but they are tracking much, much more. |
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Post by azvolleydad on Apr 30, 2021 13:06:51 GMT -5
someone start a new stat-analysis thread and leave this one for rumor and tea. I keep seeing new posts and wasting my time checking for news.
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Post by azvolleydad on Apr 30, 2021 13:45:19 GMT -5
someone start a new stat-analysis thread and leave this one for rumor and tea. I keep seeing new posts and wasting my time checking for news. I post about 5% of what I 'know' and I'm wrong about 50% of the time. That said, this one is surprising. I was told by someone in the program 2 weeks ago she was 100% gone. Good for her, she's a great player and a better kid. Hope she crushes it in the fall. What? |
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Post by Huskyfan on Apr 30, 2021 14:15:14 GMT -5
I post about 5% of what I 'know' and I'm wrong about 50% of the time. That said, this one is surprising. I was told by someone in the program 2 weeks ago she was 100% gone. Good for her, she's a great player and a better kid. Hope she crushes it in the fall. What? It's about Dani Drews officially staying at Utah. He posted this on the Pac-12 thread. He probably accidentally replied to your comment |
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