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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 30, 2021 20:27:14 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see once Elliott moves to the Big 12 if he keeps winning COY against two programs with recruiting ability closer to Texas. Just feel like an asterisk is somewhat warranted when compounding the gap between athletics, pedigree of school, and general coolness of location against a lot of other Big 12 schools. Those things haven’t helped the football team in the last decade. Should we wait before they get better before we give the football coaches an asterisk? Volleyball has quite different factors than football. I think it’s fair to say that UT in volleyball has 1. the most recent success by far, 2. a more urban, diverse campus, 3. a likelihood that you’ll get national team/professional team attention and 4. much stronger academics as compared to other schools in conference. These factors do not all ring true for football or basketball, especially given how different the professional sports pipelines are. All I’m saying it will be interesting once Texas is in a conference where Skinner and Wise can rely on some of the things that have allowed Texas to dominate the Big 12 volleyball recruiting sphere.
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Post by horns1 on Nov 30, 2021 20:34:13 GMT -5
Considering Coach Elliot recently plucked some 2023 elite recruits out of SEC country (Missouri - 1; Kentucky - 2; Florida - 1), I think Texas will just be fine playing in the SEC.
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Post by nellynel on Nov 30, 2021 20:38:36 GMT -5
Those things haven’t helped the football team in the last decade. Should we wait before they get better before we give the football coaches an asterisk? Volleyball has quite different factors than football. I think it’s fair to say that UT in volleyball has 1. the most recent success by far, 2. a more urban, diverse campus, 3. a likelihood that you’ll get national team/professional team attention and 4. much stronger academics as compared to other schools in conference. These factors do not all ring true for football or basketball, especially given how different the professional sports pipelines are. All I’m saying it will be interesting once Texas is in a conference where Skinner and Wise can rely on some of the things that have allowed Texas to dominate the Big 12 volleyball recruiting sphere. 1. He is a big factor in the most recent sucess, makes no sense to me why he should be handicapped for it 2. They play in the same urban setting the football team does, Austin sells itself in all sports. Some kids like it, some don’t .3. Texas gets as much exposure as possible in football, routinely getting the benefit of the doubt when they haven’t earned it 4. Is the SEC that much different academically than the B12 with the exception of Vanderbilt? Did the Skinner sisters choose UK for Academics over a B12 school? Will it be a different challenge? Sure. But he has proven he and his staff can recruit, coach, develop with anyone. That won’t change in the SEC.
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Post by eotexas5 on Nov 30, 2021 20:41:25 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see once Elliott moves to the Big 12 if he keeps winning COY against two programs with recruiting ability closer to Texas. Just feel like an asterisk is somewhat warranted when compounding the gap between athletics, pedigree of school, and general coolness of location against a lot of other Big 12 schools. JE has never competed against any of the other schools within the Big 12 for recruits. The competition will still be between Texas, Stanford, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, etc.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 30, 2021 20:43:59 GMT -5
Considering Coach Elliot recently plucked some 2023 elite recruits out of SEC country (Missouri - 1; Kentucky - 2; Florida - 1), I think Texas will just be fine playing in the SEC. I think you’re missing the point. I’m not saying he’s going to stop recruiting well, he certainly will. I’m saying Florida and Kentucky are far better recruiters than any other Big 12 program. And they get girls from Texas that are better than what other Big 12 recruiters are getting. There’s just such a massive talent gap between Texas every time they step on the court against a Big 12 opponent (Baylor excluded, but they are like half transfers I believe). I’m not saying he’s going to fail, but I think it’s fair to say the coaching approach can be different when you’re training girls to play to their established demonstrated potential as opposed to figuring out how to beat a team like Kentucky who’s arguably more athletic.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 30, 2021 20:44:59 GMT -5
Those things haven’t helped the football team in the last decade. Should we wait before they get better before we give the football coaches an asterisk? Volleyball has quite different factors than football. I think it’s fair to say that UT in volleyball has 1. the most recent success by far, 2. a more urban, diverse campus, 3. a likelihood that you’ll get national team/professional team attention and 4. much stronger academics as compared to other schools in conference. These factors do not all ring true for football or basketball, especially given how different the professional sports pipelines are. All I’m saying it will be interesting once Texas is in a conference where Skinner and Wise can rely on some of the things that have allowed Texas to dominate the Big 12 volleyball recruiting sphere. Eh, I think Texas will still have advantages over most of the SEC in pretty much all of those areas (a lot of SEC schools aren't that different than Big 12 schools in terms of academics and location). Texas consistently has some of the best recruiting classes in the entire country, not just in the Big 12.
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Post by horns1 on Nov 30, 2021 20:48:38 GMT -5
Considering Coach Elliot recently plucked some 2023 elite recruits out of SEC country (Missouri - 1; Kentucky - 2; Florida - 1), I think Texas will just be fine playing in the SEC. I think you’re missing the point. I’m not saying he’s going to stop recruiting well, he certainly will. I’m saying Florida and Kentucky are far better recruiters than any other Big 12 program. And they get girls from Texas that are better than what other Big 12 recruiters are getting. There’s just such a massive talent gap between Texas every time they step on the court against a Big 12 opponent (Baylor excluded, but they are like half transfers I believe). I’m not saying he’s going to fail, but I think it’s fair to say the coaching approach can be different when you’re training girls to play to their established demonstrated potential as opposed to figuring out how to beat a team like Kentucky who’s arguably more athletic. No, you missed my point in my first reply to you. Coach E recruited and coached against this volleyball behemoth named Nebraska as he rebuilt Texas from rock bottom into a conference/national champion and consistent Top 5 program; been there, done that. Kentucky and Florida don't compare; sorry.
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Post by nellynel on Nov 30, 2021 21:00:01 GMT -5
Considering Coach Elliot recently plucked some 2023 elite recruits out of SEC country (Missouri - 1; Kentucky - 2; Florida - 1), I think Texas will just be fine playing in the SEC. I think you’re missing the point. I’m not saying he’s going to stop recruiting well, he certainly will. I’m saying Florida and Kentucky are far better recruiters than any other Big 12 program. And they get girls from Texas that are better than what other Big 12 recruiters are getting. There’s just such a massive talent gap between Texas every time they step on the court against a Big 12 opponent (Baylor excluded, but they are like half transfers I believe). I’m not saying he’s going to fail, but I think it’s fair to say the coaching approach can be different when you’re training girls to play to their established demonstrated potential as opposed to figuring out how to beat a team like Kentucky who’s arguably more athletic. My issue is with the asterisk. His success in the B12 is driven by his and his staff’s ability not those other things. Ask any Texas fan and they will tell you they have no excuse for not being successful in football for all the reasons listed yet they do. Skinner gets good Texas players over a similar school like Kansas because of his ability. They are not choosing Lexington over Lawerence for other reasons.
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Post by redcard on Nov 30, 2021 21:04:07 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see once Elliott moves to the Big 12 if he keeps winning COY against two programs with recruiting ability closer to Texas. Just feel like an asterisk is somewhat warranted when compounding the gap between athletics, pedigree of school, and general coolness of location against a lot of other Big 12 schools. JE has never competed against any of the other schools within the Big 12 for recruits. The competition will still be between Texas, Stanford, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, etc. I think this is exactly correct. Texas recruits to be a national contender every year. Big12 is just the conference they are in and SEC will be the same.
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Post by horns1 on Nov 30, 2021 21:07:06 GMT -5
Eff that * asterisk and the delusion behind it!
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Post by nellynel on Nov 30, 2021 21:17:56 GMT -5
The SEC has done a good job of coaching the last several years and you see it in the program development, Miss St, Ole Miss, Ark. can they sustain we will see. The B12 if they can continue has upped its coaching game, TTU, WVU, Baylor. 3 years ago I would laugh if you told me TTU and WVU were even considered to be tournament teams.
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Post by redcard on Nov 30, 2021 21:57:05 GMT -5
Wonder which 15 Baylor players will get to dress or be the 2 on the bench?? It would have been nice for NCAA to up this to 18 this year due to extra Covid year players many teams have. Sad for those not able to on the side with their teammates.
“Participating teams are limited to a maximum of 15 players in uniform. An institution that is advised it is in violation of this regulation and does not promptly conform to it shall automatically forfeit the competition. There shall be no inordinate delay of the competition to allow the institution to conform to the rule. A team’s bench limit is 25 and team benches will be set at 16. If an institution wishes to include its own team doctor in the bench area, that individual must occupy one of the 16 chairs and is in addition to the bench limit of 25. While the bench limit will remain at 25, the squad size will remain at 15. However, within the 25, two additional student-athletes can be on the bench not in uniform for a total of 17.”
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Post by horns1 on Nov 30, 2021 22:18:41 GMT -5
Wonder which 15 Baylor players will get to dress or be the 2 on the bench?? It would have been nice for NCAA to up this to 18 this year due to extra Covid year players many teams have. Sad for those not able to on the side with their teammates.
“Participating teams are limited to a maximum of 15 players in uniform. An institution that is advised it is in violation of this regulation and does not promptly conform to it shall automatically forfeit the competition. There shall be no inordinate delay of the competition to allow the institution to conform to the rule. A team’s bench limit is 25 and team benches will be set at 16. If an institution wishes to include its own team doctor in the bench area, that individual must occupy one of the 16 chairs and is in addition to the bench limit of 25. While the bench limit will remain at 25, the squad size will remain at 15. However, within the 25, two additional student-athletes can be on the bench not in uniform for a total of 17.” Not really. They all knew what they signed up for when they chose to be part of such a huge roster; if not, McGuyre should have explained it to them. And, it's not like Baylor was forced to keep their fifth-year seniors (Skinner, Sedwick, Pressley, Anderson, VDM) on the roster. This COVID exception was likely to create some collateral damage . . .
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Post by dodger on Nov 30, 2021 22:21:34 GMT -5
Those things haven’t helped the football team in the last decade. Should we wait before they get better before we give the football coaches an asterisk? Volleyball has quite different factors than football. I think it’s fair to say that UT in volleyball has 1. the most recent success by far, 2. a more urban, diverse campus, 3. a likelihood that you’ll get national team/professional team attention and 4. much stronger academics as compared to other schools in conference. These factors do not all ring true for football or basketball, especially given how different the professional sports pipelines are. All I’m saying it will be interesting once Texas is in a conference where Skinner and Wise can rely on some of the things that have allowed Texas to dominate the Big 12 volleyball recruiting sphere. This will help Texas recruiting not hurt :
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 30, 2021 22:30:54 GMT -5
Wonder which 15 Baylor players will get to dress or be the 2 on the bench?? It would have been nice for NCAA to up this to 18 this year due to extra Covid year players many teams have. Sad for those not able to on the side with their teammates. “Participating teams are limited to a maximum of 15 players in uniform. An institution that is advised it is in violation of this regulation and does not promptly conform to it shall automatically forfeit the competition. There shall be no inordinate delay of the competition to allow the institution to conform to the rule. A team’s bench limit is 25 and team benches will be set at 16. If an institution wishes to include its own team doctor in the bench area, that individual must occupy one of the 16 chairs and is in addition to the bench limit of 25. While the bench limit will remain at 25, the squad size will remain at 15. However, within the 25, two additional student-athletes can be on the bench not in uniform for a total of 17.” I read this and thought about Khat Bell maybe showing up to the matches in scrubs to be the ‘team doctor’
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