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Jan 12, 2022 16:57:09 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 16:57:09 GMT -5
And what I’m saying is there is no way the AAC has the deals to surpass all four of those power conferences. I question whether that whole conference could equal the NIL deals of the Alabama football program alone. You’re talking about generalities. In a different context it’s helpful and informative. Regarding the opendorse list posted above of the most lucrative NIL compensation packages by conference your replies aren’t even making sense to me. Specifically, what is opendorse going by that has them listing the AAC as high as they are. If you don’t have any specific numbers to give regarding the AAC NIL compensation packages vis a vis the other conferences, what is your purpose in making these replies to me? You’re not addressing anything I’m having an issue with. Your rationale is confusing to me. I 100% agree with you. I also think you are reading too much into opendorse being the end all be all in reporting of NIL deals. I don't think Alabama football is going report or feel obligated to report, all the NIL deals to opendorse at this early stage. Opendorse is basically a startup so I would guess that most of the data is being pulled from athletes who are using the tool to monitize. My guess is OD has a higher penetration of Athletes in the AAC hense the flawed data. I’m not reading too much into anything. That’s a bizarre thing to say. The list got posted and I basicallly said it’s a bullsh*t list, and I’d love to see any kind of metrics to back it up so I could rip those metrics to shreds. I feel like you’ve taken the conversation completely sideways. I feel like your intentions are good, so I’ve been nice, but I feel like you think you’re teaching me something, when I’m well aware of what you’re posting. Again, your intentions seem to be in the right place, but this has been a frustrating exchange for me.
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Jan 12, 2022 16:59:37 GMT -5
Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 12, 2022 16:59:37 GMT -5
It's a list regarding the schools involved/partnered or has done transactions with Opendorse.
it's literally just a list i thought was interesting lol
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Jan 12, 2022 17:02:38 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 17:02:38 GMT -5
And what I’m saying is there is no way the AAC has the deals to surpass all four of those power conferences. I question whether that whole conference could equal the NIL deals of the Alabama football program alone. You’re talking about generalities. In a different context it’s helpful and informative. Regarding the opendorse list posted above of the most lucrative NIL compensation packages by conference your replies aren’t even making sense to me. Specifically, what is opendorse going by that has them listing the AAC as high as they are. If you don’t have any specific numbers to give regarding the AAC NIL compensation packages vis a vis the other conferences, what is your purpose in making these replies to me? You’re not addressing anything I’m having an issue with. Your rationale is confusing to me. Maybe opendorse had little data to work and their rankings are simply reflective of that. Why is bothering you so much? I think we all know that the AAC is going to permanently outrank power conferences in NIL, and if we had all the data, they probably don't right now. How much does it bother me? Why don’t you tell me? I just think it’s a bullsh*t list that I’d like fleshed out more as to how they came up with it. Frankly, I’d love to see more transparency around NIL deals. I guess if I’m bothered by anything it’s that lists like this obfuscates the subject even more.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:06:16 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 17:06:16 GMT -5
It's a list regarding the schools involved/partnered or has done transactions with Opendorse. it's literally just a list i thought was interesting lol None of what I posted was an attack on you. I found the list interesting, too, in the sense it’s horsesh*t. You’re simply a messenger. I’d love to see more granular data regarding NIL deals. Both Smart and Saban used their bully pulpit before the championship game in football to warn there needs to be some kind of regulation around it or it’s going to get out of hand very quickly, and this comes from two guys who stand to benefit the most from it.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:08:00 GMT -5
Post by stevehorn on Jan 12, 2022 17:08:00 GMT -5
Is there a way to see a more in depth breakdown? I have no idea how it is possible for AAC players to have more NIL compensation than 4 power conferences. In fact, I’ll word it stronger than that. It’s not possible. I feel confident whatever measures opendorse is using to come up with this list, it’s not all encompassing. I think these numbers and rankings are basically meaningless at this point in time. For starters, I feel confident I've read that Opendorse numbers just include deals negotiated through them or that is the primary source of the numbers. If accurate, that implies that these numbers are not all inclusive. As far as the conference rankings, NIL still being in its infancy likely allows a handful of large deals to heavily influence the rankings and numbers. I suspect many large schools are still putting together their primary NIL efforts and the numbers a year or two from now will more reflect what you expect to see. Also I would suggest, based on football recruiting this year, some programs are still primarily operating "under the table" instead of moving those efforts to legal NIL deals.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:08:46 GMT -5
Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 12, 2022 17:08:46 GMT -5
It's a list regarding the schools involved/partnered or has done transactions with Opendorse. it's literally just a list i thought was interesting lol None of what I posted was an attack on you. I found the list interesting, too, in the sense it’s horsesh*t. You’re simply a messenger. I’d love to see more granular data regarding NIL deals. Both Smart and Saban used their bully pulpit before the championship game in football to warn there needs to be some kind of regulation around it or it’s going to get out of hand very quickly, and this comes from two guys who stand to benefit the most from it. Georgia and Bama don't use Opendorse. (or at least they're not listed as partners on their website... they might still use them in some sort) From the SEC I remember seeing Florida, Kentucky, LSU, Vandy, South Carolina and Mizzou.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:16:11 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 17:16:11 GMT -5
How much money are VB players actually making with NIL? Does anybody know what top players are making? Not very much really, after following this for a # of months (even less after NU is taken out of the equation). NIL has not impacted the NCAA like many felt it would! We’re only getting started. There will be a trickle down effect. It hasn’t fully manifested its impact in football and men’s basketball yet, although we’re seeing a lot already. Women’s basketball and baseball are likely next, with women’s volleyball right there, too. The thing is, it’s going to be difficult to parse out the effects unless it’s a new program entering the scene. And other factors still come into play. For example, Oregon has been ahead of the game in many ways, but when Cristobel left for Miami, it had an impact on the football program which countered some of the positive effects of their NIL stuff. Also, if Nebraska and Texas seem to get everyone they want in volleyball, how much is potential NIL money a factor? Hard to know. The thing is will there be wealthy benefactors who are willing to put up money to help ensure their favorite school has a competitive edge in athletics? We already know the answer to that. Of course it’s going to have a huge impact. Anyone who thinks it won’t is flat out kidding themselves.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:20:46 GMT -5
Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jan 12, 2022 17:20:46 GMT -5
Not very much really, after following this for a # of months (even less after NU is taken out of the equation). NIL has not impacted the NCAA like many felt it would! We’re only getting started. There will be a trickle down effect. It hasn’t fully manifested its impact in football and men’s basketball yet, although we’re seeing a lot already. Women’s basketball and baseball are likely next, with women’s volleyball right there, too. The thing is, it’s going to be difficult to parse out the effects unless it’s a new program entering the scene. And other factors still come into play. For example, Oregon has been ahead of the game in many ways, but when Cristobel left for Miami, it had an impact on the football program which countered some of the positive effects of their NIL stuff. Also, if Nebraska and Texas seem to get everyone they want in volleyball, how much is potential NIL money a factor? Hard to know. The thing is will there be wealthy benefactors who are willing to put up money to help ensure their favorite school has a competitive edge in athletics? We already know the answer to that. Of course it’s going to have a huge impact. Anyone who thinks it won’t is flat out kidding themselves. If you re-read my post, I did not broach any predictions for NIL one way or another. Will it "click" with FB and MBB? Surely. WVB? I kinda doubt it will get that big!
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Jan 12, 2022 17:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 12, 2022 17:23:20 GMT -5
Meh. Opendorse need to include a disclaimer noting the list only reflects athletes using the Opendorse platform. Seems a bit disingenuous not to, given the hundreds of athletes using other avenues to NIL deals. I doubt this list include many, if any, athletes making “real money,” like Bryce Young, Thibedeaux, Chet Holmgren, the Fresno State basketball twins etc - as they’re all signing with agents. Heck, Young’s NIL deal alone would probably move the SEC up a notch or two. Edit: I note other skeptics beat me to it. At any rate, I’m not ripping the OP for posting it, I just believe it’s of very limited value.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:24:38 GMT -5
Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 12, 2022 17:24:38 GMT -5
Meh. Opendorse need to include a disclaimer noting the list only reflects athletes using the Opendorse platform. Seems a bit disingenuous not to, given the hundreds of athletes using other avenues to NIL deals. I doubt this list include many, if any, athletes making “real money,” like Bryce Young, Thibedeaux, Chet Holmgren, the Fresno State basketball twins etc - as they’re all signing with agents. Heck, Young’s NIL deal alone would probably move the SEC up a notch or two. They did. It's in the image at the bottom.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:25:26 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 17:25:26 GMT -5
Is there a way to see a more in depth breakdown? I have no idea how it is possible for AAC players to have more NIL compensation than 4 power conferences. In fact, I’ll word it stronger than that. It’s not possible. I feel confident whatever measures opendorse is using to come up with this list, it’s not all encompassing. I think these numbers and rankings are basically meaningless at this point in time. For starters, I feel confident I've read that Opendorse numbers just include deals negotiated through them or that is the primary source of the numbers. If accurate, that implies that these numbers are not all inclusive. As far as the conference rankings, NIL still being in its infancy likely allows a handful of large deals to heavily influence the rankings and numbers. I suspect many large schools are still putting together their primary NIL efforts and the numbers a year or two from now will more reflect what you expect to see. Also I would suggest, based on football recruiting this year, some programs are still primarily operating "under the table" instead of moving those efforts to legal NIL deals. The list is meaningless except as a marketing effort by Opendorse. Which is my chief point. It’s a worthless list that’s inaccurate in terms of how it’s labeled. It should have a disclaimer attached that says it’s based only on deals done through opendorse. As far as recruiting, deals done that way are under the table inherently. NIL deals cannot be used as a recruiting inducement, i.e. a signing bonus. Existing deals for team members can be cited. Also, schools have to be careful as to how directly involved they get. The primary responsibility of schools is to provide a compliance office to regulate the use of copyright/trademarks associated with the school. Not to actually facilitate NIL programs. But it’s all very fuzzy and is different from state to state. With many states still not having any kind of legislation whatsoever.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:28:14 GMT -5
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 12, 2022 17:28:14 GMT -5
Meh. Opendorse need to include a disclaimer noting the list only reflects athletes using the Opendorse platform. Seems a bit disingenuous not to, given the hundreds of athletes using other avenues to NIL deals. I doubt this list include many, if any, athletes making “real money,” like Bryce Young, Thibedeaux, Chet Holmgren, the Fresno State basketball twins etc - as they’re all signing with agents. Heck, Young’s NIL deal alone would probably move the SEC up a notch or two. They did. It's in the image at the bottom. Sorry, didn’t have a magnifying glass handy. But yes, they did include a caveat.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:30:38 GMT -5
Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 12, 2022 17:30:38 GMT -5
They did. It's in the image at the bottom. Sorry, didn’t have a magnifying glass handy. But yes, they did include a caveat. I just thought it was interesting, knowing which schools are partnered with Opendorse (there's a list on their website) they're not all on there... I assume UConn is carrying the Big East (its not Creighton, who is listed lol)
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Jan 12, 2022 17:38:10 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 17:38:10 GMT -5
We’re only getting started. There will be a trickle down effect. It hasn’t fully manifested its impact in football and men’s basketball yet, although we’re seeing a lot already. Women’s basketball and baseball are likely next, with women’s volleyball right there, too. The thing is, it’s going to be difficult to parse out the effects unless it’s a new program entering the scene. And other factors still come into play. For example, Oregon has been ahead of the game in many ways, but when Cristobel left for Miami, it had an impact on the football program which countered some of the positive effects of their NIL stuff. Also, if Nebraska and Texas seem to get everyone they want in volleyball, how much is potential NIL money a factor? Hard to know. The thing is will there be wealthy benefactors who are willing to put up money to help ensure their favorite school has a competitive edge in athletics? We already know the answer to that. Of course it’s going to have a huge impact. Anyone who thinks it won’t is flat out kidding themselves. If you re-read my quote, I did not broach any predictions for NIL, one way or another. Will it "click" with FB + MBB? Surely. WVB? I kinda doubt it will get that big. Well, you said that “many” predicted it would make a big impact on women’s volleyball. I didn’t see comments from these “many” that you did, There was no way it was going to impact volleyball in year zero. You’re saying you’re not making any predictions. Well, I am. Eventually NIL deals will have a similar impact to facilities and overall budget for a sport. All of it will go hand in hand. For schools that don’t have some kind of NIL mechanism in place, they will simply not be a legitimate consideration for the best players. It doesn’t even have to get that big. $20k a year would be enough to move the needle in women’s volleyball, with the numbers higher for the superstars. Same thing in women’s basketball. We’re not far off from that right now. And once it starts being de rigeur, then it’s simply an arms race.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:41:12 GMT -5
Post by stevehorn on Jan 12, 2022 17:41:12 GMT -5
I think these numbers and rankings are basically meaningless at this point in time. For starters, I feel confident I've read that Opendorse numbers just include deals negotiated through them or that is the primary source of the numbers. If accurate, that implies that these numbers are not all inclusive. As far as the conference rankings, NIL still being in its infancy likely allows a handful of large deals to heavily influence the rankings and numbers. I suspect many large schools are still putting together their primary NIL efforts and the numbers a year or two from now will more reflect what you expect to see. Also I would suggest, based on football recruiting this year, some programs are still primarily operating "under the table" instead of moving those efforts to legal NIL deals. The list is meaningless except as a marketing effort by Opendorse. Which is my chief point. It’s a worthless list that’s inaccurate in terms of how it’s labeled. It should have a disclaimer attached that says it’s based only on deals done through opendorse. As far as recruiting, deals done that way are under the table inherently. NIL deals cannot be used as a recruiting inducement, i.e. a signing bonus. Existing deals for team members can be cited. Also, schools have to be careful as to how directly involved they get. The primary responsibility of schools is to provide a compliance office to regulate the use of copyright/trademarks associated with the school. Not to actually facilitate NIL programs. But it’s all very fuzzy and is different from state to state. With many states still not having any kind of legislation whatsoever. I think the two NIL initiatives announced in December by Texas boosters demonstrate a likely trend toward how they will be used in recruiting. Those initiatives basically set the floor for what a football player at Texas can receive from NIL without it being a direct offer. The groups putting together the initiatives will not include people that have some sort of official capacity with the school so that it is legal under the law.
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