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Jan 12, 2022 17:46:10 GMT -5
Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jan 12, 2022 17:46:10 GMT -5
If you re-read my quote, I did not broach any predictions for NIL, one way or another. Will it "click" with FB + MBB? Surely. WVB? I kinda doubt it will get that big. Well, you said that “many” predicted it would make a big impact on women’s volleyball. I didn’t see comments from these “many” that you did, There was no way it was going to impact volleyball in year zero. You’re saying you’re not making any predictions. Well, I am. Eventually NIL deals will have a similar impact to facilities and overall budget for a sport. All of it will go hand in hand. For schools that don’t have some kind of NIL mechanism in place, they will simply not be a legitimate consideration for the best players. It doesn’t even have to get that big. $20k a year would be enough to move the needle in women’s volleyball, with the numbers higher for the superstars. Same thing in women’s basketball. We’re not far off from that right now. And once it starts being de rigeur, then it’s simply an arms race. Conflating my usage of "many", referring to all NCAA sports (esp. big $ FB + MBB), shows me that being on your 'soapbox' may be reducing your comprehension!
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Jan 12, 2022 17:51:51 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 17:51:51 GMT -5
The list is meaningless except as a marketing effort by Opendorse. Which is my chief point. It’s a worthless list that’s inaccurate in terms of how it’s labeled. It should have a disclaimer attached that says it’s based only on deals done through opendorse. As far as recruiting, deals done that way are under the table inherently. NIL deals cannot be used as a recruiting inducement, i.e. a signing bonus. Existing deals for team members can be cited. Also, schools have to be careful as to how directly involved they get. The primary responsibility of schools is to provide a compliance office to regulate the use of copyright/trademarks associated with the school. Not to actually facilitate NIL programs. But it’s all very fuzzy and is different from state to state. With many states still not having any kind of legislation whatsoever. I think the two NIL initiatives announced in December by Texas boosters demonstrate a likely trend toward how they will be used in recruiting. Those initiatives basically set the floor for what a football player at Texas can receive from NIL without it being a direct offer. The groups putting together the initiatives will not include people that have some sort of official capacity with the school so that it is legal under the law. There was another NIL deal put together by surlyhorns.com for the tight end group which involved many of the same parties as the OL NIL. OU under Wilkerson and Switzer used the same kind of mechanisms. The current players would show recruits how they were taken care of by boosters once they got to campus. Wilkerson was able to build his first teams from vets returning from WWII. Switzer was particularly successful recruiting athletes from poorer families. The point is the initial inducement wasn’t as big of a factor as the knowledge once on campus the player would be taken care of.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:56:04 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 17:56:04 GMT -5
Well, you said that “many” predicted it would make a big impact on women’s volleyball. I didn’t see comments from these “many” that you did, There was no way it was going to impact volleyball in year zero. You’re saying you’re not making any predictions. Well, I am. Eventually NIL deals will have a similar impact to facilities and overall budget for a sport. All of it will go hand in hand. For schools that don’t have some kind of NIL mechanism in place, they will simply not be a legitimate consideration for the best players. It doesn’t even have to get that big. $20k a year would be enough to move the needle in women’s volleyball, with the numbers higher for the superstars. Same thing in women’s basketball. We’re not far off from that right now. And once it starts being de rigeur, then it’s simply an arms race. Conflating my usage of "many", referring to all NCAA sports (esp. big $ FB + MBB), shows me that being on your 'soapbox' may be reducing your comprehension! Well, help out my comprehension, then. Are you saying NIL isn’t making an impact on any sport, the way many said it would? Because that makes even less sense to me. It’s making a gigantic impact. But I also disagree with your assessment of the future impact in women’s volleyball. So either way I feel confident I have a stronger view of the immediate and future impact of NIL on collegiate sports than you seem to have. If I’m mistaken please show me where I’m misunderstanding you.
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Jan 12, 2022 18:10:25 GMT -5
Post by stevehorn on Jan 12, 2022 18:10:25 GMT -5
I think the two NIL initiatives announced in December by Texas boosters demonstrate a likely trend toward how they will be used in recruiting. Those initiatives basically set the floor for what a football player at Texas can receive from NIL without it being a direct offer. The groups putting together the initiatives will not include people that have some sort of official capacity with the school so that it is legal under the law. There was another NIL deal put together by surlyhorns.com for the tight end group which involved many of the same parties as the OL NIL. OU under Wilkerson and Switzer used the same kind of mechanisms. The current players would show recruits how they were taken care of by boosters once they got to campus. Wilkerson was able to build his first teams from vets returning from WWII. Switzer was particularly successful recruiting athletes from poorer families. The point is the initial inducement wasn’t as big of a factor as the knowledge once on campus the player would be taken care of. Very aware of the Burnt Ends deal and at least some of the primary people involved in both deals. I'm sure we will see others in the coming months. As an aside, it may turn out to be important with the portal that NIL deals are ongoing through the college career rather than front end loaded like it seems many of the "under the table bagman" payments are done.
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Jan 12, 2022 18:25:35 GMT -5
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Post by Hisbots on Jan 12, 2022 18:25:35 GMT -5
Hey slxpress you sure you’re okay? I am overnighting you some blood pressure medication.
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Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 18:28:17 GMT -5
There was another NIL deal put together by surlyhorns.com for the tight end group which involved many of the same parties as the OL NIL. OU under Wilkerson and Switzer used the same kind of mechanisms. The current players would show recruits how they were taken care of by boosters once they got to campus. Wilkerson was able to build his first teams from vets returning from WWII. Switzer was particularly successful recruiting athletes from poorer families. The point is the initial inducement wasn’t as big of a factor as the knowledge once on campus the player would be taken care of. Very aware of the Burnt Ends deal. Just wasn't trying to be all inclusive. As an aside, it may turn out to be important with the portal that NIL deals are ongoing through the college career rather than front end loaded like it seems many of the "under the table bagman" payments are done. It just makes sense for both parties. The bagman deals will still occur. Lots of money in forming relationships with gifted athletes and then becoming their handler. Unofficial visits became the key to recruiting many years ago. Can’t be productive with unofficial visits without a lot of under the table money greasing wheels everywhere. It’s the biggest dirty “secret” everyone in the industry is aware of, including the NCAA, but everyone turns a blind eye to it. So you either play ball or you’re uncompetitive when it comes to recruiting. It was a big part of Mack Brown’s nosedive in being an effective recruiter back in 2008, although it took time to fully manifest itself. Now it’s simply pervasive. The nice things about NIL is that it’s unenforceable under the current environment. It’s above board, so people can feel good about themselves. And you’re paying players actually on campus, so an athlete can’t take their maroon Trans Am and tool around Dallas for a few years. For players it’s not based on playing time or production. Within the contract, you don’t even have to be at the school any longer. So it’s more of a guaranteed income. There also aren’t any IRS or FBI consequences (as long as you pay your taxes) and no one is going to take your Heisman Trophy from you. So wins all the way around for the programs who can put together the best NIL deals for their athletes. All we’re having to sacrifice is any semblance of college athletics as we’ve known it. At least from my point of view.
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Jan 12, 2022 18:29:21 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 18:29:21 GMT -5
Hey slxpress you sure you’re okay? I am overnighting you some blood pressure medication. I’m good. Thanks!
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 12, 2022 18:57:48 GMT -5
All we’re having to sacrifice is any semblance of college athletics as we’ve known it. At least from my point of view. College athletics did this to itself long, long ago. The reality and the image of college athletics have never been congruent, but we willfully blind ourselves to that because we want to buy into the myth that these are college kids playing for their school, not professional athletes recruited to play sports. Most people, at some level, understand that nobody is playing for the New York Yankees or the Detroit Lions because they are just proud and happy New Yorkers or Detroiters. No, they were hired to do a job. And for many D1 athletes, that's basically the same. It was before the introduction of NIL and is is now. It's just a little more above the table than it used to be.
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Jan 12, 2022 19:08:36 GMT -5
Post by azvolleydad on Jan 12, 2022 19:08:36 GMT -5
It doesn’t even have to get that big. $20k a year would be enough to move the needle in women’s volleyball, with the numbers higher for the superstars. Some non-superstars in WVB made a lot more than $20k this fall.
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Jan 12, 2022 19:13:12 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 19:13:12 GMT -5
All we’re having to sacrifice is any semblance of college athletics as we’ve known it. At least from my point of view. College athletics did this to itself long, long ago. The reality and the image of college athletics have never been congruent, but we willfully blind ourselves to that because we want to buy into the myth that these are college kids playing for their school, not professional athletes recruited to play sports. Most people, at some level, understand that nobody is playing for the New York Yankees or the Detroit Lions because they are just proud and happy New Yorkers or Detroiters. No, they were hired to do a job. And for many D1 athletes, that's basically the same. It was before the introduction of NIL and is is now. It's just a little more above the table than it used to be. Without a doubt. And I've been a witness to the slippery slope the whole way down. The elimination of transfer restrictions and the nullification of NIL barriers has removed any last vestiges. But I've seen first hand the rabid commercialization of college sports. I've been under no illusions. But I haven't liked it any step of the way, and I don't like it now. I have no idea how to respect athletes' individual rights, when their coaches and administrators are under no such restrictions to change jobs or negotiate higher pay. But I do know that giving carte blanche to athletes and their right to play and be compensated by whomever they want will naturally be to the advantage of those who can pay the most, even more blatantly than it has been previously.
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Jan 12, 2022 19:14:38 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jan 12, 2022 19:14:38 GMT -5
It doesn’t even have to get that big. $20k a year would be enough to move the needle in women’s volleyball, with the numbers higher for the superstars. Some non-superstars in WVB made a lot more than $20k this fall. I know. But imagine if there's a program where every member of the team makes at least $20k a year through NIL.
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Jan 12, 2022 19:16:06 GMT -5
Post by azvolleydad on Jan 12, 2022 19:16:06 GMT -5
Some non-superstars in WVB made a lot more than $20k this fall. I know. But imagine if there's a program where every member of the team makes at least $20k a year through NIL. It's not far off, if it isn't here already (at least for the top-8 in rotation).
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 12, 2022 19:21:34 GMT -5
Some non-superstars in WVB made a lot more than $20k this fall. I know. But imagine if there's a program where every member of the team makes at least $20k a year through NIL. I imagine 10-15 programs will dominate college volleyball at the expense of everyone else.
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Post by azvolleydad on Jan 12, 2022 21:09:59 GMT -5
I know. But imagine if there's a program where every member of the team makes at least $20k a year through NIL. I imagine 10-15 programs will dominate college volleyball at the expense of everyone else. If so, it won't be much different than the current model.
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Jan 12, 2022 21:15:09 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 12, 2022 21:15:09 GMT -5
I imagine 10-15 programs will dominate college volleyball at the expense of everyone else. If so, it won't be much different than the current model. Imagine that!
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