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Apr 29, 2022 16:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by PostPrime on Apr 29, 2022 16:20:22 GMT -5
I've read comments about this, and it's no longer NIL. This is pay for play 100% It is the Wild Wild West!!! The NCAA was scared of being sued over and over so they just gave up and opened up the gates. Hopefully some smart people can work together and organize this mess.
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Apr 29, 2022 16:43:10 GMT -5
Post by ay2013 on Apr 29, 2022 16:43:10 GMT -5
I've read comments about this, and it's no longer NIL. This is pay for play "Papas says he recently negotiated an NIL deal for Kansas State transfer Nijel Pack that included $800,000 over two years plus a car." "The deal was funded by billionaire John Ruiz, who has been at the forefront of the NIL movement, orchestrating deals across several sports" "Many of the biggest college sports programs in America have been boosted in recent months by NIL collectives, groups of fans with varying budgets designed to funnel money to current or future athletes in exchange for monetizing their brands through endorsement deals, appearance fees, social media posts, autograph signings and more." hey Washington Fans....new goal! Lets get the Bezos and Gates families interested in women's volleyball...maybe throw in the Schultz and Ballmer families in for good measure. I'm sure they could collectively find about 10 million for an NIL fund to entice recruits. (*sarcasm*)
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Apr 29, 2022 16:43:26 GMT -5
Post by ned3vball on Apr 29, 2022 16:43:26 GMT -5
He did not enter the portal per ESPN. Someone probably made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
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Apr 29, 2022 17:48:45 GMT -5
Post by staticb on Apr 29, 2022 17:48:45 GMT -5
Nobody in the country benefits more from the changes in NIL and transfer rules than Texas. Just like Texas led the country in the commercialization of the athletic department and weaponizing increasing revenue streams in the 90s and aughts, they’re going to force athletic departments across the country to respond to their approach to NIL. Also, there’s going to be a focus on big budget athletic programs playing one another under a set of rules that caters to their priorities. The big prize is the men’s basketball tournament. That’s the one I’m curious about. If the power 5 conferences wrest control of that away from the NCAA it’s a back breaker in many ways. Wonder if eventually some D1 schools will essentially opt out because they can't keep up. They go back to playing sports in relatively geographic compact conferences just for the thrill of competing, and basically there's what was previously called Division-1AA in football for every sport.
I think eventually some schools might even take a bigger step in a different direction. As an alum of Northwestern, I've surmised before that if it ever all "gets away" from NWU and they can't keep up, or if they get pressured to get out of the B1G because the school is private and considerably smaller than the others, I don't think they'd stay playing D1 sports in the Summit League or something like that. I'd see them dropping to DIII and joining Emory, Wash U, U Chicago, Carnegie Mellon in their DIII league - all similar institutions.
Whether you think it's good or bad, these last steps in the professionalization of college sports sure is fascinating.
And I'm also interested to see if there will be a college athlete (most likely FB or BB) who makes millions of dollars during their college years but then doesn't play pro ball. I'm sure it would be extremely rare, but will it happen.
I think there's a handful of college football players who could command 6 or 7 figures but not make the NFL. I think the schools hit the most could actually be the middle schools. NIL money generally comes out of donations that would otherwise go to the school/athletic departments. The small schools weren't getting them anyway (and most of them are also not competitive either way), but the middle schools (high G5/Low P5) are the ones who notice their donations going away. The rich schools can likely absorb the costs.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 29, 2022 19:36:58 GMT -5
Just wait until the wealthy widows figure out that they can buy themselves their very own cabana boy, right off of the local college football team.
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Apr 29, 2022 19:37:39 GMT -5
Post by staticb on Apr 29, 2022 19:37:39 GMT -5
Just wait until the wealthy widows figure out that they can buy themselves their very own cabana boy, right off of the local college football team. Pretty sure there's websites they can do that now without the whole NIL thing.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 29, 2022 22:47:55 GMT -5
NIL (and the free transfer) quickly becoming an arms race to buy the best athletes was the most predictable thing in the history of the world.
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Post by slxpress on Apr 30, 2022 1:10:29 GMT -5
NIL (and the free transfer) quickly becoming an arms race to buy the best athletes was the most predictable thing in the history of the world. I absolutely agree. You know who else agreed? The NCAA. Which is why they had a zero tolerance on NIL, as unfeasible and ultimately untenable as that was. There is honestly no telling where all this goes.
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Apr 30, 2022 1:25:16 GMT -5
Post by bbg95 on Apr 30, 2022 1:25:16 GMT -5
NIL (and the free transfer) quickly becoming an arms race to buy the best athletes was the most predictable thing in the history of the world. I absolutely agree. You know who else agreed? The NCAA. Which is why they had a zero tolerance on NIL, as unfeasible and ultimately untenable as that was. There is honestly no telling where all this goes. I think it will be regulated at some point, but when that happens, who regulates it, and what form it takes is impossible to predict. I mean, the NFL is way more regulated (e.g. salary caps) than college football is right now. I think the current situation is untenable, but it will be crazy for a while.
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Apr 30, 2022 6:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by rjaege on Apr 30, 2022 6:52:08 GMT -5
Will NIL lead to a long term change in how universities view sports programs? By long term I mean at least 10 years, maybe 20 or more.
A couple or 3 decades ago, many University academic leaders attempted to de-emphisize college sports. The $$ generated by college sports shut that down, but that was their point. The money from sports had made it into a big business enterprise. Not about education, but rather an entertainment business with student athletes being underpaid with respect to the money their efforts were generating. IMO NIL was an out-growth of that.
Go forward a decade or two, if NIL ends parity between sports teams at different schools, then fewer schools will benefit from sports $$. That means less $$ for most schools. Less $$ means a de-emphasis in college sports.
I am not advocating for or against NIL, nor for or against college sports. Just saying that college sports is currently a big entertainment business IMO. One that I personally enjoy watching.
There will always be sports entertainment business. Do college sports necessarily have to be as big a part of that as is now the case? No.
Will NIL lead to less parity between teams? Yet to be determined.
But if so, could it lead to those schools left out demphasizing sports? I would think that is likely.
Again not for or against anything. Just speculating about possible future change.
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Apr 30, 2022 7:56:40 GMT -5
Post by jayj79 on Apr 30, 2022 7:56:40 GMT -5
If they move to regulate NIL for student athletes, then they sure as heck better regulate college coaching salaries. I see these quotes of high profile coaches, who have multi-million dollar contracts and are often the highest paid "state employees" in their states complaining about student athletes being able to make some money. Similarly they complain about the transfer portal, despite the presence of the coaching carousel where coaches are free to jump ship when a better offer comes along
hypocrisy much?
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Post by PostPrime on Apr 30, 2022 8:32:08 GMT -5
One of the major reason college sports has grown so much is because there is parity across the nation and so many schools/fans/Alumni have hope that there team can make national noise. Sure some schools make a bunch of money but so many barely break even and most lose money. The current NIL will end any kind of parity. And quickly. And eventually college sports will eat itself until it is much smaller and ruined. Getting pay to play out of college sports was the only way to keep moving in the right direction. And the opposite has been done.
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 30, 2022 9:02:16 GMT -5
If they move to regulate NIL for student athletes, then they sure as heck better regulate college coaching salaries. I see these quotes of high profile coaches, who have multi-million dollar contracts and are often the highest paid "state employees" in their states complaining about student athletes being able to make some money. Similarly they complain about the transfer portal, despite the presence of the coaching carousel where coaches are free to jump ship when a better offer comes along hypocrisy much? College students sign a document called a national letter of intent as well as other compliance forms. They have terms that they agree to. If they don't like the terms, don't sign it, do something else. Go NAIA, go pro, join the circus, whatever. College coaches sign a contract. I don't know of any college coach with a contract who doesn't have some sort of buyout, and I've never heard of one with a non-compete clause at the end. If the colleges want to skip the buyout clause, and put in a non-compete, they can, but then salary's may go up, or the quality of their candidates may come down as coaches may opt for less restrictive contracts. I think it's foolish for the NCAA to try to compete with NBA Ignite or other ventures that players are choosing. I don't believe the interest in college sports ebbs and flows with absolute talent level - as long as Duke/UNC basketball or Ohio State/Michigan football is competitive, they could have 6 year olds out there and it would sell. Conversely the Duke/UNC game would go unnoticed if they were in NBA ignite jerseys and didn't have the built in fan bases of those schools. And if the Serbian and Chinese women's national volleyball teams played for Morgan State and St. Peters nobody would show up. Very very few athletes actually move the needle - Manning, Zion, Manzel, yes, absolutely. Otherwise as long as my school has a collection of players better than your school's collection of players, I really don't care who they are or what level they perform to. Conversely, certain coaches in certain sports drive revenue. Is Nick Saban worth $11 million per year? No, I believe the last estimate I heard is that he is worth $14 million. Sadly, until we can get 100,000 to pay tickets to see a student production of the Nutcracker, or a Chemistry experiment, until the debate team can swing 4000 new applications, coaches have a certain value. It absolutely shouldn't be this way, but it is.
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Apr 30, 2022 10:00:57 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 30, 2022 10:00:57 GMT -5
A big difference between between college players and pros is that any limits on the pros' compensation has been collectively bargained.
I think it's pretty clear players are responsible for creating some part of that value and they've thus far been under compensated. I have no idea what Paolo Banchero or Aiden Hutchinson should make in a fair market, but it's certainly more than a scholarship and COA.
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Apr 30, 2022 10:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2022 10:53:08 GMT -5
NIL (and the free transfer) quickly becoming an arms race to buy the best athletes was the most predictable thing in the history of the world. Yep. It's the combination together that makes for an awful product. Can you imagine if this is how it worked in the NFL: - new players can sign with whichever team they want - they can play for 1 year, and then completely of their own accord, on any whim, decide to just get up and leave - then they can immediately play the next season for any other team - no salary caps of any kind, whichever team ('s market/fans) is richest, can pay whatever it wants for whomever it thinks are the best players - "tampering" is completely allowed, you can offer anything you want to any player who is already on any other roster Sorry, but that's a trash product (other than for fans of those few teams). That's what we're talking about here for major college.
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