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Jun 6, 2022 16:12:48 GMT -5
Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 6, 2022 16:12:48 GMT -5
they won't get injured as much if the sizes of players starts being reduced. 55 schollies, 70 total allows for a 3 specialists in kicking/punting. as to different personnel, it's not a 'requirement', using personal with the limitations placed will be dictated by coaching that personel for different situations. instead of 12-18, well, there's NOTHING in the rules of football taht states that, that is all coaching, a coach can have schemes based on 12-14 or 12-15 or 12-12, it doesn't have to be 18. now will that be as 'sohpisticated'? no. but so what...same limits for every team, it's a non-starter argument to say 'we must be as sophisticated' as we have been. You're in a self constructed fantasy land. The sizes of players are not going to be reduced. Players were injured plenty in the 50s and 60s when offensive lines routinely averaged around 200lbs. We're not going back to single platoon football. Might as well call for bringing back the horse and buggy. You're in your own world on this one. I'm not saying you have zero merit with anything you're typing. I'm saying it's not grounded in reality. I get it. You're resentful of where football is currently. There's a lot about this world I'm not a big fan of, either. Don Quixote had it in for windmills. Might as well grab a joust and an old donkey and have at a few of those while you're at it. lol, single platoon football! now that would be entertaining and fun I actually enjoyed football, not much anymore. give me a drop-kicker any day, that takes talent!! I don't know why it has to be fantasy to set some limits, but I get it, teh football-industrial-complex is all consuming. hopefully youth football atrophies more and high school as well and more programs drop out. it's become a sport where the commercials are more entertaining than the product.
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Jun 6, 2022 16:25:07 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jun 6, 2022 16:25:07 GMT -5
You're in a self constructed fantasy land. The sizes of players are not going to be reduced. Players were injured plenty in the 50s and 60s when offensive lines routinely averaged around 200lbs. We're not going back to single platoon football. Might as well call for bringing back the horse and buggy. You're in your own world on this one. I'm not saying you have zero merit with anything you're typing. I'm saying it's not grounded in reality. I get it. You're resentful of where football is currently. There's a lot about this world I'm not a big fan of, either. Don Quixote had it in for windmills. Might as well grab a joust and an old donkey and have at a few of those while you're at it. lol, single platoon football! now that would be entertaining and fun I actually enjoyed football, not much anymore. give me a drop-kicker any day, that takes talent!! I don't know why it has to be fantasy to set some limits, but I get it, teh football-industrial-complex is all consuming. hopefully youth football atrophies more and high school as well and more programs drop out. it's become a sport where the commercials are more entertaining than the product. In all honesty, NIL is going to reverse those trends, especially in poorer neighborhoods. The thing about football is it's the easiest sport to be taken up later in life and still be highly competitive in, as long as a kid has the necessary physical gifts. A lot of sports by the time the kids are in high school if they haven't been honed up to that point, they're too far behind the curve to catch up. I do wonder what viewing trends are going to be in 20 years. Lots of studies showing younger people shifting their interest from traditional sports. But as long as football keeps attracting eyeballs, it is what it is.
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Jun 6, 2022 16:39:23 GMT -5
Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 6, 2022 16:39:23 GMT -5
lol, single platoon football! now that would be entertaining and fun I actually enjoyed football, not much anymore. give me a drop-kicker any day, that takes talent!! I don't know why it has to be fantasy to set some limits, but I get it, teh football-industrial-complex is all consuming. hopefully youth football atrophies more and high school as well and more programs drop out. it's become a sport where the commercials are more entertaining than the product. In all honesty, NIL is going to reverse those trends, especially in poorer neighborhoods. The thing about football is it's the easiest sport to be taken up later in life and still be highly competitive in, as long as a kid has the necessary physical gifts. A lot of sports by the time the kids are in high school if they haven't been honed up to that point, they're too far behind the curve to catch up. I do wonder what viewing trends are going to be in 20 years. Lots of studies showing younger people shifting their interest from traditional sports. But as long as football keeps attracting eyeballs, it is what it is. which is why football loves gambling. it feeds the beast, even if people don't necessarily really care about the game which is why Volleyball needs teh mafia and gambling, a sure-fire way to grow interest!!! but you do make a good point, the NFL is not dumb, so they'll target poorer neighborhoods to get bodies they can puff up with weights and make into 330 pound instruments of choice
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Jun 6, 2022 19:37:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 19:37:14 GMT -5
I think it's important to recognize the difference between: 1. businesses entering into a sponsorship agreement with the athletic department 2. businesses making a philanthropic donation to the athetic department 3. a business entering into a endorsement agreement with an athlete for use of their NIL 4. a business owner making a personal philanthropic donation to an athletic department 5. a business owner investing personal funds in an NIL collective These are all different transactions with different benefits for the business, the rich person who owns it, the department, and the athlete. 3 can further be divided, into a considerable distinction:
3a) a business who actually pursues a bona fide NIL deal with a player, and plans to use their NIL in an advertising campaign 3b) a business who does whatever minimally meets the letter of the law with the "NIL deal", but has absolutely zero intention of it being anything other than a vehicle to give money to a player above the table.
NIL was supposed to be for 3a. Vastly most of the big deals for major recruits (so, mostly limited to football and basketball) are falling under 3b.
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Jun 6, 2022 19:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 6, 2022 19:57:07 GMT -5
I think it's important to recognize the difference between: 1. businesses entering into a sponsorship agreement with the athletic department 2. businesses making a philanthropic donation to the athetic department 3. a business entering into a endorsement agreement with an athlete for use of their NIL 4. a business owner making a personal philanthropic donation to an athletic department 5. a business owner investing personal funds in an NIL collective These are all different transactions with different benefits for the business, the rich person who owns it, the department, and the athlete. 3 can further be divided, into a considerable distinction: 3a) a business who actually pursues a bona fide NIL deal with a player, and plans to use their NIL in an advertising campaign 3b) a business who does whatever minimally meets the letter of the law with the "NIL deal", but has absolutely zero intention of it being anything other than a vehicle to give money to a player above the table. NIL was supposed to be for 3a. Vastly most of the big deals for major recruits (so, mostly limited to football and basketball) are falling under 3b.
Even if I stipulate to the idea there's a distinction there, can you name an example of your 3b?
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Post by justahick on Jun 6, 2022 21:38:33 GMT -5
3 can further be divided, into a considerable distinction: 3a) a business who actually pursues a bona fide NIL deal with a player, and plans to use their NIL in an advertising campaign 3b) a business who does whatever minimally meets the letter of the law with the "NIL deal", but has absolutely zero intention of it being anything other than a vehicle to give money to a player above the table. NIL was supposed to be for 3a. Vastly most of the big deals for major recruits (so, mostly limited to football and basketball) are falling under 3b.
Even if I stipulate to the idea there's a distinction there, can you name an example of your 3b? Player acts as an influencer/spokesperson for (insert product/company name) here. "Hi, I Vanessa Volleyball and after a tough match I alway go to John's Deli for a sub and some sweet potatoe fries."
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Jun 6, 2022 21:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jun 6, 2022 21:53:07 GMT -5
Even if I stipulate to the idea there's a distinction there, can you name an example of your 3b? Player acts as an influencer/spokesperson for (insert product/company name) here. "Hi, I Vanessa Volleyball and after a tough match I alway go to John's Deli for a sub and some sweet potatoe fries." Did you just bring up sweet potatoes?
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Jun 6, 2022 21:55:08 GMT -5
Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jun 6, 2022 21:55:08 GMT -5
How many total WVB NIL deals do you suppose there are? What does a typical one look like? As far as I can tell, it seems like the typical NIL deal is a player (usually an attractive blonde) putting “Barstool athlete” in her Instagram bio in exchange for a free t-shirt and hoodie. Okay, so NIL in football helps amass talent which increases your chances of winning at a high level, but in volleyball NIL helps amass attractive blondes, which might sell a lot of tickets but won't necessarily make the team any better. So not much of a recruiting advantage at all, really.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jun 6, 2022 22:47:57 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, it seems like the typical NIL deal is a player (usually an attractive blonde) putting “Barstool athlete” in her Instagram bio in exchange for a free t-shirt and hoodie. Okay, so NIL in football helps amass talent which increases your chances of winning at a high level, but in volleyball NIL helps amass attractive blondes, which might sell a lot of tickets but won't necessarily make the team any better. So not much of a recruiting advantage at all, really. Where it matters is iif all things are equal for the recruit to go to Say Nebraska or Minnesota, if you can make 40k a year at Nebraska, you’d be out of your mind to not have have that tip the balance. You don’t think Hord wasnt processing that, or being sold that ? She should have been considering that, and Nebraska or whoever should’ve been selling that. That’s where it’s a difference maker. Is it the same as football? No, but it matters.
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Jun 7, 2022 3:25:34 GMT -5
Post by slxpress on Jun 7, 2022 3:25:34 GMT -5
Okay, so NIL in football helps amass talent which increases your chances of winning at a high level, but in volleyball NIL helps amass attractive blondes, which might sell a lot of tickets but won't necessarily make the team any better. So not much of a recruiting advantage at all, really. Where it matters is iif all things are equal for the recruit to go to Say Nebraska or Minnesota, if you can make 40k a year at Nebraska, you’d be out of your mind to not have have that tip the balance. You don’t think Hord wasnt processing that, or being sold that ? She should have been considering that, and Nebraska or whoever should’ve been selling that. That’s where it’s a difference maker. Is it the same as football? No, but it matters. I didn’t read Brutus Buckeye’s response as serious, although maybe it was. The people saying NIL isn’t going to make a difference in volleyball are whistling past the graveyard. It will make a difference in every sport. EVERY sport. The numbers won’t be as eye popping in non revenue sports, but they don’t have to be. I’m just grateful motivated people in the Texas fan base don’t have the same attitude. I also would strongly prefer it wasn’t a factor. Since it is, I’m glad there are fans at Texas on top of things.
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Jun 7, 2022 7:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by bwf3 on Jun 7, 2022 7:20:11 GMT -5
3 can further be divided, into a considerable distinction: 3a) a business who actually pursues a bona fide NIL deal with a player, and plans to use their NIL in an advertising campaign 3b) a business who does whatever minimally meets the letter of the law with the "NIL deal", but has absolutely zero intention of it being anything other than a vehicle to give money to a player above the table. NIL was supposed to be for 3a. Vastly most of the big deals for major recruits (so, mostly limited to football and basketball) are falling under 3b.
Even if I stipulate to the idea there's a distinction there, can you name an example of your 3b? Miami booster John Ruiz and LifeWallet.
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Jun 7, 2022 8:51:21 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 8:51:21 GMT -5
3 can further be divided, into a considerable distinction: 3a) a business who actually pursues a bona fide NIL deal with a player, and plans to use their NIL in an advertising campaign 3b) a business who does whatever minimally meets the letter of the law with the "NIL deal", but has absolutely zero intention of it being anything other than a vehicle to give money to a player above the table. NIL was supposed to be for 3a. Vastly most of the big deals for major recruits (so, mostly limited to football and basketball) are falling under 3b.
Even if I stipulate to the idea there's a distinction there, can you name an example of your 3b? Any major "NIL deal" for a major football player.
None of the businesses plan to launch an advertising campaign using that player's NIL. There is an initial announcement of signing the deal, so beyond Twitter or local paper articles ... that's it. That's not bona fide, that's a sham.
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Jun 7, 2022 8:52:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 8:52:17 GMT -5
Even if I stipulate to the idea there's a distinction there, can you name an example of your 3b? Miami booster John Ruiz and LifeWallet. Right.
Semantics would argue that the Tweet announcement was technically fulfilling that they used the player's NIL as an advertisement, but there was never any plan to launch an ad campaign using that NIL.
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Jun 7, 2022 8:53:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 8:53:29 GMT -5
Can you imagine General Mills putting out a Tweet like:
"We just signed a $10M deal with [athlete], your 2024 Olympic champion in [sport], but have no plans to put them on Wheaties boxes or do any other ad campaign ... this Tweet is it"
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Jun 7, 2022 9:24:47 GMT -5
Post by mervinswerved on Jun 7, 2022 9:24:47 GMT -5
Can you imagine General Mills putting out a Tweet like: "We just signed a $10M deal with [athlete], your 2024 Olympic champion in [sport], but have no plans to put them on Wheaties boxes or do any other ad campaign ... this Tweet is it" 😏 I'm not aware of any company doing that with an NIL deal.
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