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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 22, 2021 10:14:18 GMT -5
I am surprised they didn't hold him out of the FIVB events and Olympics after the bad rap they have gotten handling this stuff but obviously people in higher places talked to the powers that be for Taylor. Actually, they did. But it was overturned by independent arbitration.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 22, 2021 12:14:30 GMT -5
What kind of rant are you going for, trying to let us know you regularly slammed beers back with girls that are under 18? I am by no means withholding information, I reached out to two people I thought would be more in the know than me from two different parts of the country and they gave me nearly identical stories, then I also received a DM on here with the same exact story. So yea, I am not going to post something that was shared with me, but I don't think its any coincidence that all three stories, from people that don't know each other, are the same. Its not some conspiracy coverup you are looking for when USAV has addressed it already and the story of what happened seems pretty well known in the volleyball community. It has been reported the parents decided not to press charges, there are rumors he made questionable choices before that as well, but clearly nothing worth pressing criminal charges over otherwise it would have happened. USAV has a long noted history of literally just brushing these things off or giving slaps on the wrist, they clearly had to take a tougher stand in recent years with the anti rick butler movement ramping up and all the stuff with USA gymnastics. USAV should be ashamed for how they handled things in the past, it seems like they tried to take a tougher stance on this as well until Taylor did something so stupid like going to a kids camp when he signed an agreement he knowingly couldn't be there. I am surprised they didn't hold him out of the FIVB events and Olympics after the bad rap they have gotten handling this stuff but obviously people in higher places talked to the powers that be for Taylor. He was 23 when this occurred? 29 now : incident occurred nov 2015: making him 23: i believe? How old was the female he was with? In California if a 23 year old has consensual sex with a teenager it is considered statutory rape: but since girl and parents wouldn’t press charges or testify it would appear no statutory rape: age consent cali = 18, age of consent varies accross US : range 16 to 18. I don't know the specific allegations against Taylor, so not speaking to that directly, but asserting that: a woman or girl who doesn't want to testify = no rape is taking ignorance to new levels.
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Post by dodger on Jul 22, 2021 13:16:12 GMT -5
He was 23 when this occurred? 29 now : incident occurred nov 2015: making him 23: i believe? How old was the female he was with? In California if a 23 year old has consensual sex with a teenager it is considered statutory rape: but since girl and parents wouldn’t press charges or testify it would appear no statutory rape: age consent cali = 18, age of consent varies accross US : range 16 to 18. I don't know the specific allegations against Taylor, so not speaking to that directly, but asserting that: a woman or girl who doesn't want to testify = no rape is taking ignorance to new levels. I am not claiming no statutory rape occurred: although from reading here there is no fact one way or the other: i was saying that because of those stated facts legally there is no criminal filing or finding. Although for safe sport one is not required!
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 22, 2021 19:22:09 GMT -5
My era, give or take. I’m struggling to figure out what the amusing part might be… How many times back in your era did you slam back beers while under age, or when over 21 with younger people? All of you holier than thou losers out there will be like "it wasn't me bro...I never touched alcohol in my life...it's evil"....truly amazes me how many perfect people there are in the world... From the sounds of it he gave alcohol to a minor, got hammered, and made an a$$ of himself...I don't know, wasn't there... Does anyone have details on this incident? Are there any allegations of rape? Sexual assault? Offensive touching? Were any charges filed? How come there were no charges filed? Why didn't the parents make a formal statement? Accoridng to USA Volleyball - which has him listed on its website...this was the reason: Violation of USAV Code of Conduct Sections 2 and 9: possession, consumption or distribution of alcohol and/or tobacco if illegal or in violation of USA Volleyball or Regional Volleyball Association policy, and, conduct which is inappropriate as determined by comparison to normally accepted behavior. What are examples of conduct deemed inappropriate as determined by comparison to normally accepted behavior mean? Did he grope her (sexual assault)? Did he try to kiss her? Did he verabally harass her? Did he expose himself? All of you volleyball nerds that have all the "inside information" and know everything that happens on the beach provide some details...and I don't want the, "well, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl that Crabb gave beer to" bull crap...and don't do the "well, bro...I know the whole story, but I'm not at liberty to say as it's not my place"... Modern Day Coach seems to have all the dirt, but then goes the "I'm not going to post specifics"...so Coach - are there sex crimes against a minor that have taken place? If you are covering it up you are just as guilty as Crabb....if you have talked with people who were present who shared details of crimes being committed and did nothing to stop it, or report it, then you are in fact a part of the cover up... Now, if he sexually assaulted a minor - which from the sounds of it all of you are insinuating he did, (so hence provide some facts you don't have) - then there would need to be criminal charges filed against him AND at this point USA Volleybal, its CEO Jamie Davis, and the FIVB for all potentially covering up crimes against minors...SEX CRIMES - this is what everyone on here is alleging....this would also be a slam dunk of a civil case in this day and age.. Also, if everyone has been in the know about this...why wasn't it public knowledge regarding the USA Volleyball board of directors’ unanimous decision in May 2019 to extend the suspension through Sept. 28, 2021? At the time of that decision there should have been an immediate announcement of the decision as it impacted olympic qualifications, not just for him but other teams trying to qualify. So, which is it...a massive conspiracy by international organizations to cover up a sexual assault against a minor? Or is it an adult knowingly providing alcohol to a minor with the intention of sexually assaulting her? Both of these are crimes, which one did he commit? Or was it a case he gave alcohol to a minor, got hammered and made an a$$ of himself? All of you seem to be in the know....which is it? So, adults deciding not to chase high school tail while downing beers ‘n shots constitutes “holier than thou” behavior? You might want to slow your roll, Congressman Gaetz. At any rate, I don’t think anyone I played with back in the day would crack a beer and giggle about someone abusing their position as a coach by supplying his juniors players with booze and then trying to get busy with one of them. Or crashing his players parties while coaching girls volleyball at the local high school, or knowingly breaking the terms of his suspension by showing up to coach at a girls camp (triggering his second suspension), or continuing to DM underage females, and oh so much more. This is isn’t “boys being boys,” this is abnormal behavior.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 23, 2021 8:39:44 GMT -5
So, adults deciding not to chase high school tail while downing beers ‘n shots constitutes “holier than thou” behavior? You might want to slow your roll, Congressman Gaetz.
At any rate, I don’t think anyone I played with back in the day would crack a beer and giggle about someone abusing their position as a coach by supplying his juniors players with booze and then trying to get busy with one of them. Or crashing his players parties while coaching girls volleyball at the local high school, or knowingly breaking the terms of his suspension by showing up to coach at a girls camp (triggering his second suspension), or continuing to DM underage females, and oh so much more. This is isn’t “boys being boys,” this is abnormal behavior.[/quote]
I didn't say that but nice try Speaker Nancy...
Again, my take on this was a one off at a party, he got drunk, hit on some girl and from the sounds of it made an ass of himself - something I still state almost everyone on here has done....accordng to you and Coach this is common behavior by Crabb, and well known by everyone that he sexually preyed on minors....going as far as to make innuendoes of statutory rape.....which is it?
According to you, Crabb abused his position, and more specifically PREYED upon children...according to you Crabb is a CHILD PREDATOR....last time I checked that's a crime.
If all of these things happened, numerous times, and everyone seemed to know about it, why wasn't anything done? Or is it heresy? Again, I'm interpreting this as a one off at a party, got some alcohol for minors, got hammered and hit on a girl - who no one has still said how old (was she 17, 18, 15, 11?)....I would think everyone with first hand knowledge could provide these details.
If it is true, and there have been numerous incidents of "abnormal behavior" then shame on the AVP, USAV, FIVB, the Crabb family, Gibb, coaches, and people on here who have first hand knowledge regarding this and did nothing...as they are all involved in covering this up, and allowed it to happen...essentially supporting this behavior....and leaders of those organizations should be forced to step down.
If Dain B was on the board of the USAV at the time the second suspension (which I already stated was sheer stupidity on his part) was handed out he should address this whole topic during the Olympics. He has first hand knowledge as to what was reported to the USAV, the internal discussions and vote...or they can just sweep it under the carpet...I don't know how the new brass at NBC will want to "report" this, as they don't have the best track record.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 23, 2021 9:38:38 GMT -5
So, adults deciding not to chase high school tail while downing beers ‘n shots constitutes “holier than thou” behavior? You might want to slow your roll, Congressman Gaetz. At any rate, I don’t think anyone I played with back in the day would crack a beer and giggle about someone abusing their position as a coach by supplying his juniors players with booze and then trying to get busy with one of them. Or crashing his players parties while coaching girls volleyball at the local high school, or knowingly breaking the terms of his suspension by showing up to coach at a girls camp (triggering his second suspension), or continuing to DM underage females, and oh so much more. This is isn’t “boys being boys,” this is abnormal behavior. I don't know how the new brass at NBC will want to "report" this, as they don't have the best track record. I'm also very curious about how this will be reported, if at all. If Taylor were still playing I would think it could have hijacked the coverage altogether - think Holly McPeak's breast implants in the 96 coverage - but with merit. I would guess it doesn't get much mention now that he isn't playing.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 23, 2021 9:48:46 GMT -5
So, adults deciding not to chase high school tail while downing beers ‘n shots constitutes “holier than thou” behavior? You might want to slow your roll, Congressman Gaetz. At any rate, I don’t think anyone I played with back in the day would crack a beer and giggle about someone abusing their position as a coach by supplying his juniors players with booze and then trying to get busy with one of them. Or crashing his players parties while coaching girls volleyball at the local high school, or knowingly breaking the terms of his suspension by showing up to coach at a girls camp (triggering his second suspension), or continuing to DM underage females, and oh so much more. This is isn’t “boys being boys,” this is abnormal behavior. I didn't say that but nice try Speaker Nancy... Again, my take on this was a one off at a party, he got drunk, hit on some girl and from the sounds of it made an ass of himself - something I still state almost everyone on here has done....accordng to you and Coach this is common behavior by Crabb, and well known by everyone that he sexually preyed on minors....going as far as to make innuendoes of statutory rape.....which is it? According to you, Crabb abused his position, and more specifically PREYED upon children...according to you Crabb is a CHILD PREDATOR....last time I checked that's a crime. If all of these things happened, numerous times, and everyone seemed to know about it, why wasn't anything done? Or is it heresy? Again, I'm interpreting this as a one off at a party, got some alcohol for minors, got hammered and hit on a girl - who no one has still said how old (was she 17, 18, 15, 11?)....I would think everyone with first hand knowledge could provide these details. If it is true, and there have been numerous incidents of "abnormal behavior" then shame on the AVP, USAV, FIVB, the Crabb family, Gibb, coaches, and people on here who have first hand knowledge regarding this and did nothing...as they are all involved in covering this up, and allowed it to happen...essentially supporting this behavior....and leaders of those organizations should be forced to step down. If Dain B was on the board of the USAV at the time the second suspension (which I already stated was sheer stupidity on his part) was handed out he should address this whole topic during the Olympics. He has first hand knowledge as to what was reported to the USAV, the internal discussions and vote...or they can just sweep it under the carpet...I don't know how the new brass at NBC will want to "report" this, as they don't have the best track record. [/quote] I'm also very curious about how this will be reported, if at all. If Taylor were still playing I would think it could have hijacked the coverage altogether - think Holly McPeak's breast implants in the 96 coverage - but with merit. I would guess it doesn't get much mention now that he isn't playing. [/quote] IF what people are saying on here is true...that he has repeatedly stalked, harassed, preyed on children it should 100% be addressed during the coverage..and it should be addressed as to why he was allowed to continue the qualification process and wasn't immediately banned for life,,,the innuendoes on here from everyone in the know is that he has "abnormal behavior" and has repeatedly acted in ways as to endanger the welfare of a child, all the way to potential Statutory rape...that's some serious Crabb (I like that, from now on instead of saying crap I will say Crabb)...there is obviously a lot more details out there that everyone EXCEPT the USAV, FIVB, USOC, AVP, etc have...as I could not see them allowing him to continue being involved in the sport...
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Post by ajm on Jul 23, 2021 12:47:20 GMT -5
So, adults deciding not to chase high school tail while downing beers ‘n shots constitutes “holier than thou” behavior? You might want to slow your roll, Congressman Gaetz. At any rate, I don’t think anyone I played with back in the day would crack a beer and giggle about someone abusing their position as a coach by supplying his juniors players with booze and then trying to get busy with one of them. Or crashing his players parties while coaching girls volleyball at the local high school, or knowingly breaking the terms of his suspension by showing up to coach at a girls camp (triggering his second suspension), or continuing to DM underage females, and oh so much more. This is isn’t “boys being boys,” this is abnormal behavior. I don't know how the new brass at NBC will want to "report" this, as they don't have the best track record. I'm also very curious about how this will be reported, if at all. If Taylor were still playing I would think it could have hijacked the coverage altogether - think Holly McPeak's breast implants in the 96 coverage - but with merit. I would guess it doesn't get much mention now that he isn't playing. I’m skeptical that it would have gotten much coverage even if he were playing unless he and Gibb would have advanced deep into the tournament. Even now that his positive test has become national news, the vast majority of news stories have omitted any mention of his past suspensions. NBC is already walking a fine line of trying promote the games against the backdrop of a pandemic in a country that is largely opposed to it. Unless there’s some Ryan Lochte-type incident in Tokyo, I wouldn’t expect the coverage to be very negative.
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Post by netsetter on Jul 24, 2021 15:17:35 GMT -5
There is a SafeSport issue with fencing going on too. He was suspended, arbitrator looked at the case and reinstated him. Those accusing him are on the USA Fencing team and are not happy.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 24, 2021 17:28:03 GMT -5
There is a SafeSport issue with fencing going on too. He was suspended, arbitrator looked at the case and reinstated him. Those accusing him are on the USA Fencing team and are not happy. There is a pretty big difference IMHO....Alen Hadzic is under investigation for at least three accusations of sexual misconduct, has a history of sexual misconduct and violent acts going back for 11 years....members of the the fencing team protested, one member going as far as to filing a complaint against Hadzic alleging predatory behavior....members of the team signed petitions against him competing. I still don't know exactly what Crabb is accused of doing besides giving alcohol to 18 year olds, and possibly hooking up with an 18 year old at a camp....some people on here have made claims he is a sexual predator, has a long history of doing this and made innuendos of statutory rape...yet, I haven't heard anyone from the AVP say he's a bad person, accused of sexual assault, physical violence, etc...I don't know...but if someone is accused of, or under investigation of sexual abuse/assault they shouldn't be at the Olympic Games....
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