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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 25, 2021 11:50:43 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 25, 2021 21:40:11 GMT -5
That was really wild. I watched the replay (knowing already who had won), and it was still amazing. She went out on a breakaway just as the race started and stayed out the ENTIRE race, much of the last half all by herself.
It's pretty clear that the peloton (or at least the Dutch) had no idea she was still clear. They are all used to having race radios and team managers telling them exactly how hard they have to push, etc.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 25, 2021 21:45:33 GMT -5
That was really wild. I watched the replay (knowing already who had won), and it was still amazing. She went out on a breakaway just as the race started and stayed out the ENTIRE race, much of the last half all by herself. It's pretty clear that the peloton (or at least the Dutch) had no idea she was still clear. They are all used to having race radios and team managers telling them exactly how hard they have to push, etc. Yeah, the Dutch rider who won the silver medal celebrated as if she had won gold because she thought she did. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 25, 2021 21:50:56 GMT -5
That was really wild. I watched the replay (knowing already who had won), and it was still amazing. She went out on a breakaway just as the race started and stayed out the ENTIRE race, much of the last half all by herself. It's pretty clear that the peloton (or at least the Dutch) had no idea she was still clear. They are all used to having race radios and team managers telling them exactly how hard they have to push, etc. Yeah, the Dutch rider who won the silver medal celebrated as if she had won gold because she thought she did. Super awkward when the camera caught back up to her after she had been told the bad news. She was in utter shock, trying to process it. |
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 26, 2021 5:33:08 GMT -5
Could kind of tell that Kiesenhofer also had no idea if she was being chased or how big her advantage was. Whatever happened to the moto with a chalkboard?
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 26, 2021 7:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by wibadgervbfan on Jul 26, 2021 9:27:52 GMT -5
Part of the problem may have been that she also crashed, and by the time she got back up front, didn't know someone was further ahead, so was only racing the main group.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 26, 2021 11:06:17 GMT -5
Radios and support cars are big part of cycling in the grand tours and non-Olympic events. They are not allowed in the Olympics. Since the riders only ride without communications once every four years, they are out of practices with this aspect of tactic.
By virtue of the fact that Kiesenhofer has no team and no support, she is used to this, so that was her advantage.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 26, 2021 11:38:18 GMT -5
Radios and support cars are big part of cycling in the grand tours and non-Olympic events. They are not allowed in the Olympics. Since the riders only ride without communications once every four years, they are out of practices with this aspect of tactic. By virtue of the fact that Kiesenhofer has no team and no support, she is used to this, so that was her advantage. They had support cars. But they didn't have radios. Makes a huge difference in the strategic part of the race. Still, a breakaway of 10+ minutes is almost unheard of in women's road racing, despite it being perfectly normal in men's road racing. Obviously it was a huge mistake for the peleton to let that happen, and especially to let it happen with a 3x national time-trial champion leading the breakaway. If anybody can ride by herself, it's a time-trialist. Everybody was so concerned about not pulling the Dutch to victory that they let somebody else win. It's really on the Dutch. They had four riders. They should have pulled back the breakaway. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 26, 2021 11:42:10 GMT -5
15:20 "I think this is just a *uck-up of monumental proportions for the Netherlands."
"It's just not very intelligent." They are being brutal to the Dutch.
They also point out that it's an indictment of the economic conditions in women's cycling that someone who is capable of winning Olympic gold from a 130km breakaway does not have a pro contract that is good enough to compete with being a math post-doc.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 26, 2021 11:58:57 GMT -5
Radios and support cars are big part of cycling in the grand tours and non-Olympic events. They are not allowed in the Olympics. Since the riders only ride without communications once every four years, they are out of practices with this aspect of tactic. By virtue of the fact that Kiesenhofer has no team and no support, she is used to this, so that was her advantage. I haven't watched the Tour de France since Lance Armstrong, but I kind of like that the riders can't rely on radios during the Olympics. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 26, 2021 13:25:52 GMT -5
Radios and support cars are big part of cycling in the grand tours and non-Olympic events. They are not allowed in the Olympics. Since the riders only ride without communications once every four years, they are out of practices with this aspect of tactic. By virtue of the fact that Kiesenhofer has no team and no support, she is used to this, so that was her advantage. I haven't watched the Tour de France since Lance Armstrong, but I kind of like that the riders can't rely on radios during the Olympics. It's an unusual sport because it is nominally individual, but people work together in teams. Not just train together or share coaches, but actually work together in the race as a team. As such it's pretty dang unfair that half the field had no teammates while some countries had as many as four teammates. That's one reason it was so delicious to see one of the riders with no team actually win. |
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 26, 2021 13:58:37 GMT -5
I haven't watched the Tour de France since Lance Armstrong, but I kind of like that the riders can't rely on radios during the Olympics. It's an unusual sport because it is nominally individual, but people work together in teams. Not just train together or share coaches, but actually work together in the race as a team. As such it's pretty dang unfair that half the field had no teammates while some countries had as many as four teammates. That's one reason it was so delicious to see one of the riders with no team actually win. Couldn't agree more, although I do feel bad for van Vleuten...probably should have won gold in '16...that crash still haunts me, I thought she was dead...not for the weak: |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 28, 2021 11:19:02 GMT -5
Well, AVV won the time trial, so she now has gold and silver. Another Dutch rider came in third.
If anything, this reinforces that the Dutch made some terrible choices in the road race.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 28, 2021 20:25:21 GMT -5
Radios and support cars are big part of cycling in the grand tours and non-Olympic events. They are not allowed in the Olympics. Since the riders only ride without communications once every four years, they are out of practices with this aspect of tactic. By virtue of the fact that Kiesenhofer has no team and no support, she is used to this, so that was her advantage. I haven't watched the Tour de France since Lance Armstrong, but I kind of like that the riders can't rely on radios during the Olympics. I remember when aerodynamic helmets and suits, aero bars, and disk wheels were scandalous developments for time trials. Of course helmets were considered unnecessary at one time. |
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