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Post by bbg95 on Aug 7, 2021 14:27:16 GMT -5
Since they didn't break the WR which was set by a US team, doubtful it's the best ever. If you know anything about Track and Field, any records set in the 80s should be treated with an incredible amount of skepticism. Likely none of them are legit. This is one of the fastest non-doping times ever. Flat out.
The nice part about these new spikes/shoes, everyone will be running faster and a lot of these records are going to drop off.
While you're right about the 1980s, the idea that this (or any other modern winning time) is definitely clean is not exactly certain. Even excluding the 1980s (so ignoring the 3:15.51 from 1988 that featured FloJo), this actually isn't even the fastest American 4x4 ever, though it's close. The record would be 3:16.71 from the 1993 World Championships, which is slightly faster than the 3:16.85 that the American team ran to win gold in Tokyo.
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Post by swim4life107 on Aug 7, 2021 14:49:16 GMT -5
If you know anything about Track and Field, any records set in the 80s should be treated with an incredible amount of skepticism. Likely none of them are legit. This is one of the fastest non-doping times ever. Flat out.
The nice part about these new spikes/shoes, everyone will be running faster and a lot of these records are going to drop off.
While you're right about the 1980s, the idea that this (or any other modern winning time) is definitely clean is not exactly certain. Even excluding the 1980s (so ignoring the 3:15.51 from 1988 that featured FloJo), this actually isn't even the fastest American 4x4 ever, though it's close. The record would be 3:16.71 from the 1993 World Championships, which is slightly faster than the 3:16.85 that the American team ran to win gold in Tokyo. There is no certainty for sure. There are still a lot of Russian athletes in 2008/2012 that were later found out to be dopers that still have their Gold medals. Thankfully they are banned as a country from Track. I also find it highly suspect how many top runners face bans for "missing doping tests." For example, the best male 100m sprinter (by far) is serving a one year ban for whereabouts failures on doping tests.
For context of the winning time today.....keep in mind that Felix's legs weren't as fresh. She ran her second fastest 400m at age 35 just the day before. She pretty much spent 2 years working to peak and pour everything out for one race. If she had an extra day off, she's capable of running even faster splits than today.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 7, 2021 14:59:15 GMT -5
While you're right about the 1980s, the idea that this (or any other modern winning time) is definitely clean is not exactly certain. Even excluding the 1980s (so ignoring the 3:15.51 from 1988 that featured FloJo), this actually isn't even the fastest American 4x4 ever, though it's close. The record would be 3:16.71 from the 1993 World Championships, which is slightly faster than the 3:16.85 that the American team ran to win gold in Tokyo. There is no certainty for sure. There are still a lot of Russian athletes in 2008/2012 that were later found out to be dopers that still have their Gold medals. Thankfully they are banned as a country from Track. I also find it highly suspect how many top runners face bans for "missing doping tests." For example, the best male 100m sprinter (by far) is serving a one year ban for whereabouts failures on doping tests. For context of the winning time today.....keep in mind that Felix's legs weren't as fresh. She ran her second fastest 400m at age 35 just the day before. She pretty much spent 2 years working to peak and pour everything out for one race. If she had an extra day off, she's capable of running even faster splits than today.
I mean, a bunch of the top East Africans were busted at a training camp in Spain near the Andorran border a few years ago, with their coach's hotel room full of a bunch of used syringes with EPO and other PEDs in them....... and none of them ever tested positive...... And then you have a bunch of the top Americans who all "have" thyroid disorders and are on TUEs to take otherwise banned substances that treat it.
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 7, 2021 15:14:52 GMT -5
If you know anything about Track and Field, any records set in the 80s should be treated with an incredible amount of skepticism. Likely none of them are legit. This is one of the fastest non-doping times ever. Flat out.
The nice part about these new spikes/shoes, everyone will be running faster and a lot of these records are going to drop off.
While you're right about the 1980s, the idea that this (or any other modern winning time) is definitely clean is not exactly certain. Even excluding the 1980s (so ignoring the 3:15.51 from 1988 that featured FloJo), this actually isn't even the fastest American 4x4 ever, though it's close. The record would be 3:16.71 from the 1993 World Championships, which is slightly faster than the 3:16.85 that the American team ran to win gold in Tokyo. Also the 2012 US relay team ran only .02 slower in 3:16.87 on most likely a slower track.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 7, 2021 15:16:00 GMT -5
Oregon freshman Cole Hocker finished 6th in the Olympics in the 1500, against one of the deepest fields ever. Good on ya, Cole!
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 7, 2021 15:22:18 GMT -5
There is no certainty for sure. There are still a lot of Russian athletes in 2008/2012 that were later found out to be dopers that still have their Gold medals. Thankfully they are banned as a country from Track. I also find it highly suspect how many top runners face bans for "missing doping tests." For example, the best male 100m sprinter (by far) is serving a one year ban for whereabouts failures on doping tests. For context of the winning time today.....keep in mind that Felix's legs weren't as fresh. She ran her second fastest 400m at age 35 just the day before. She pretty much spent 2 years working to peak and pour everything out for one race. If she had an extra day off, she's capable of running even faster splits than today.
I mean, a bunch of the top East Africans were busted at a training camp in Spain near the Andorran border a few years ago, with their coach's hotel room full of a bunch of used syringes with EPO and other PEDs in them....... and none of them ever tested positive...... And then you have a bunch of the top Americans who all "have" thyroid disorders and are on TUEs to take otherwise banned substances that treat it. Not to mention the Americans who actually get popped for a failed test (Houlihan) or other violations (Coleman, McNeal).
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 7, 2021 18:58:15 GMT -5
Eliud Kipchoge is in great position in the men's marathon with about a 30-second lead and just a couple miles to go.
Edit: Kipchoge won by 80 seconds over the silver medalist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 20:44:32 GMT -5
Eliud Kipchoge is in great position in the men's marathon with about a 30-second lead and just a couple miles to go. Edit: Kipchoge won by 80 seconds over the silver medalist. And he beat his Rio time by 6 seconds.
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