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Post by maplespear on Jul 30, 2021 18:22:59 GMT -5
This is strange if I have my facts correct. The world cup is football/soccer ? Do you how many fans drink and watch the game. There is no alcohol allowed in Qatar. They're allowing special "zones" for that at the World Cup. Heineken is a huge soccer sponsor. They'd find a way. Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken
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Post by BigTenVball on Jul 30, 2021 19:00:20 GMT -5
Yeah, who cares about human rights or 110 degree weather? That didn't stop FIFA from awarding Qatar the next World Cup. And it's not like the IOC has really cared about these things either. Haven't some ridiculous number of workers died building the stadiums for Qatar?
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 30, 2021 19:04:11 GMT -5
That didn't stop FIFA from awarding Qatar the next World Cup. And it's not like the IOC has really cared about these things either. Haven't some ridiculous number of workers died building the stadiums for Qatar? only 6,500...but they were migrants, so it's not like Qatar is sacrificing any of its own....an average of 12 migrant workers per week since construction started...pretty appalling
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 19:05:01 GMT -5
That didn't stop FIFA from awarding Qatar the next World Cup. And it's not like the IOC has really cared about these things either. Haven't some ridiculous number of workers died building the stadiums for Qatar? "workers" is quite liberal. slaves more like it.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 30, 2021 19:12:28 GMT -5
Haven't some ridiculous number of workers died building the stadiums for Qatar? only 6,500...but they were migrants, so it's not like Qatar is sacrificing any of its own....an average of 12 migrant workers per week since construction started...pretty appalling And I should point out those figures were from 5 months ago....
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Post by gobruins on Jul 31, 2021 9:15:27 GMT -5
I see Brisbane, Australia was selected last week to host the 2032 Summer Olympic Games. To my surprise, they had no rival bid. Did cities just not want the headache? I imagine enthusiasm for a money-losing proposition probably wouldn't be received well mid pandemic. I remember 2024/2028 (announced together) only even had two candidates (Paris and LA) after the other three withdrew their bids. In general, a lot of countries (Brazil, Greece, etc.) have found the Olympics not worth the trouble, so that's why there aren't as many bidders as there have been in the past. The Olympics will probably mostly be held in countries like the US, China, the UK, etc., going forward. When Paris and LA were both announced at the same time, I think that may have been unprecedented and was reflective of far diminished lack of interest from other parts of the world. This isn't the first time this has happened. After the Munich Massacre in 1972 and financial debacle in Montreal 1976, there was very little interest in hosting the 1984 Olympics. I believe Los Angeles was the only realistic possibility. Then, Los Angeles turned a huge profit on the 1984 games, and suddenly there was renewed interest in hosting, everywhere in the world.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 31, 2021 9:19:14 GMT -5
In general, a lot of countries (Brazil, Greece, etc.) have found the Olympics not worth the trouble, so that's why there aren't as many bidders as there have been in the past. The Olympics will probably mostly be held in countries like the US, China, the UK, etc., going forward. When Paris and LA were both announced at the same time, I think that may have been unprecedented and was reflective of far diminished lack of interest from other parts of the world. This isn't the first time this has happened. After the Munich Massacre in 1972 and financial debacle in Montreal 1976, there was very little interest in hosting the 1984 Olympics. I believe Los Angeles was the only realistic possibility. Then, Los Angeles turned a huge profit on the 1984 games, and suddenly there was renewed interest in hosting, everywhere in the world. Interesting to know. I don't know anything about what happened in Montreal, as that was before I was born. Munich needs no further explanation for why that would deter bidders. I wonder if the boycotted 1980 Olympics in Moscow also contributed to lack of interest.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 31, 2021 9:24:02 GMT -5
In general, a lot of countries (Brazil, Greece, etc.) have found the Olympics not worth the trouble, so that's why there aren't as many bidders as there have been in the past. The Olympics will probably mostly be held in countries like the US, China, the UK, etc., going forward. When Paris and LA were both announced at the same time, I think that may have been unprecedented and was reflective of far diminished lack of interest from other parts of the world. This isn't the first time this has happened. After the Munich Massacre in 1972 and financial debacle in Montreal 1976, there was very little interest in hosting the 1984 Olympics. I believe Los Angeles was the only realistic possibility. Then, Los Angeles turned a huge profit on the 1984 games, and suddenly there was renewed interest in hosting, everywhere in the world. Big things to consider with the '84 games in LA...only two venues were built...there was no new construction which saved a fortune, also private investors helped fun the whole thing..great read on it here...but don't expect any city at this point to make money just based on security costs alone... www.sportscasting.com/the-1984-summer-olympics-marks-the-last-time-the-games-were-profitable/
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 31, 2021 9:31:56 GMT -5
This isn't the first time this has happened. After the Munich Massacre in 1972 and financial debacle in Montreal 1976, there was very little interest in hosting the 1984 Olympics. I believe Los Angeles was the only realistic possibility. Then, Los Angeles turned a huge profit on the 1984 games, and suddenly there was renewed interest in hosting, everywhere in the world. Big things to consider with the '84 games in LA...only two venues were built...there was no new construction which saved a fortune, also private investors helped fun the whole thing..great read on it here...but don't expect any city at this point to make money just based on security costs alone... www.sportscasting.com/the-1984-summer-olympics-marks-the-last-time-the-games-were-profitable/Hmm, Salt Lake City was profitable in 2002, and that was shortly after 9/11, when security was tight. It's probably not impossible, just difficult.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 31, 2021 10:05:13 GMT -5
Hmm, Salt Lake City was profitable in 2002, and that was shortly after 9/11, when security was tight. It's probably not impossible, just difficult. Trueshay...they did turn a profit...
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Post by guest2 on Jul 31, 2021 10:15:08 GMT -5
Haven't some ridiculous number of workers died building the stadiums for Qatar? only 6,500...but they were migrants, so it's not like Qatar is sacrificing any of its own....an average of 12 migrant workers per week since construction started...pretty appalling The question is not whether the Qatar World Cup will kill more people than 9/11, its whether it will kill 3 times as many or 4 times as many. The Munich Olympics were more ethical. Edit: Sorry meant the Berlin Olympics not Munich
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Post by BigTenVball on Jul 31, 2021 10:19:00 GMT -5
only 6,500...but they were migrants, so it's not like Qatar is sacrificing any of its own....an average of 12 migrant workers per week since construction started...pretty appalling The question is not whether the Qatar World Cup will kill more people than 9/11, its whether it will kill 3 times as many or 4 times as many. The Munich Olympics were more ethical. Edit: Sorry meant the Berlin Olympics not Munich I think the big issue is how much you have to construct to host. Los Angeles for example like someone said, only had to build 2-3 venues. Bejing on the other hand, had to build a LOT of structures. There is a photo somewhere showing the Bird's Nest is basically falling apart. And, Atlanta did mostly just infrastructure when they hosted, most of the venues were built.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 31, 2021 10:28:19 GMT -5
The question is not whether the Qatar World Cup will kill more people than 9/11, its whether it will kill 3 times as many or 4 times as many. The Munich Olympics were more ethical. Edit: Sorry meant the Berlin Olympics not Munich I think the big issue is how much you have to construct to host. Los Angeles for example like someone said, only had to build 2-3 venues. Bejing on the other hand, had to build a LOT of structures. There is a photo somewhere showing the Bird's Nest is basically falling apart. And, Atlanta did mostly just infrastructure when they hosted, most of the venues were built. I used to spend a lot of time in Athens and the abandoned venues there were pretty depressing. Not sure why the big stadia aren't simply converted for use as football fields (both types depending on your country). Can't believe the bird's nest had no utility.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 10:40:31 GMT -5
I think the big issue is how much you have to construct to host. Los Angeles for example like someone said, only had to build 2-3 venues. Bejing on the other hand, had to build a LOT of structures. There is a photo somewhere showing the Bird's Nest is basically falling apart. And, Atlanta did mostly just infrastructure when they hosted, most of the venues were built. I used to spend a lot of time in Athens and the abandoned venues there were pretty depressing. Not sure why the big stadia aren't simply converted for use as football fields (both types depending on your country). Can't believe the bird's nest had no utility. seeing the photos of the abandoned baseball and diving venues are so sad (in Athens)
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Post by midnightblue on Jul 31, 2021 11:24:11 GMT -5
When LA was “selected” for 2028 the IOC made specific mention of LA’s proposal needing very little site / infrastructure construction that they’ll be using mostly existing sites for the games.
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