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Post by future on Jul 31, 2021 10:20:56 GMT -5
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Post by BigTenVball on Jul 31, 2021 10:24:38 GMT -5
Obviously nothing happen in a vaccum in this sport USA vs France WIN 3-0 USA Errors 17 Aces 1 France Errors 9 Aces 3 USA vs Russia Loss 1-3 USA Errors 25 Aces 5 Russis Errors 23 Aces 7 USA vs Tunisia Win 3-1USA Errors 20 Aces 6 Tunisia Erros 13 Aces 1 USA vs Brazil Loss 1-3USA Errors 21 Aces 4 Brazil Errors 8 Aces 7 AM I seeing this correct?!?! 73 errors and 16 aces??? |
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Post by Spike Town on Jul 31, 2021 10:24:44 GMT -5
Obviously nothing happen in a vaccum in this sport USA vs France WIN 3-0 USA Errors 17 Aces 1 France Errors 9 Aces 3 USA vs Russia Loss 1-3 USA Errors 25 Aces 5 Russis Errors 23 Aces 7 USA vs Tunisia Win 3-1USA Errors 20 Aces 6 Tunisia Erros 13 Aces 1 USA vs Brazil Loss 1-3USA Errors 21 Aces 4 Brazil Errors 8 Aces 7 Do you have each of the teams reception numbers for these matches as well? That is a little more telling. |
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Post by future on Jul 31, 2021 10:29:16 GMT -5
A couple things I would like to see (stats wise) is : (compared to Russia, France and Brazil) #1 When are we missing serves Points 1-10, Points 11-20 Points 20-on #2 How many back to back....and back  are we having #3 How many 1st serves are we missing in these games. |
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Post by future on Jul 31, 2021 10:30:45 GMT -5
Obviously nothing happen in a vaccum in this sport USA vs France WIN 3-0 USA Errors 17 Aces 1 France Errors 9 Aces 3 USA vs Russia Loss 1-3 USA Errors 25 Aces 5 Russis Errors 23 Aces 7 USA vs Tunisia Win 3-1USA Errors 20 Aces 6 Tunisia Erros 13 Aces 1 USA vs Brazil Loss 1-3USA Errors 21 Aces 4 Brazil Errors 8 Aces 7 Do you have each of the teams reception numbers for these matches as well? That is a little more telling. I am limited there and would need assistance to those who have access to FIVB or Volley Metrics stats?  |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 31, 2021 10:32:51 GMT -5
Do you have each of the teams reception numbers for these matches as well? That is a little more telling. I am limited there and would need assistance to those who have access to FIVB or Volley Metrics stats? FIVB posts the match reports which include reception on the Olympics website. But I would take them with a grain of salt |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 31, 2021 10:42:26 GMT -5
A couple things I would like to see (stats wise) is : (compared to Russia, France and Brazil) #1 When are we missing serves Points 1-10, Points 11-20 Points 20-on #2 How many back to back....and back are we having #3 How many 1st serves are we missing in these games. It’ll take a bit of time but I will look at the play by plays and get you some of these stats. |
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Post by tamz on Jul 31, 2021 10:43:12 GMT -5
This is a depressing thread 😣
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Post by future on Jul 31, 2021 10:59:51 GMT -5
This is a depressing thread 😣 That's not my intention at all. Just looking for areas that I hope we tighten and clean up. I've been very pleased with our game plans and execution in many areas so far. I believe the USA men will advance tomorrow AND will make positive noise in the knockout rounds |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 31, 2021 11:28:04 GMT -5
Showing service errors broken down by USA's point ranges: 1-10, 11-19, 20+. Keep in mind my tallies could be slightly off but should be close to right.
France (USA won all 3 sets)
Set 1: 2, 1, 1
Set 2: 4, 3, 0
Set 3: 0, 3, 3
Russia (USA won set 3)
Set 1: 1, 1, 2
Set 2: 2, 4, 4
Set 3: 3, 2, 1
Set 4: 0, 3, 2
Tunisia (USA lost set 2)
Set 1: 3, 0, 0
Set 2: 2, 1, 2
Set 3: 1, 3, 1
Set 4: 2, 1, 4
Brazil (USA won set 1)
Set 1: 2, 2, 4
Set 2: 2, 2, 1
Set 3: 3, 2, 0
Set 4: 2, 1, 0
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Post by future on Jul 31, 2021 11:41:46 GMT -5
Showing service errors broken down by USA's point ranges: 1-10, 11-19, 20+. Keep in mind my tallies could be slightly off but should be close to right. France (USA won all 3 sets) Set 1: 2, 1, 1 Set 2: 4, 3, 0 Set 3: 0, 3, 3 6...7....4Russia (USA won set 3) Set 1: 1, 1, 2 Set 2: 2, 4, 4 Set 3: 3, 2, 1 Set 4: 0, 3, 2 6....10...8Tunisia (USA lost set 2) Set 1: 3, 0, 0 Set 2: 2, 1, 2 Set 3: 1, 3, 1 Set 4: 2, 1, 4 8....5....7 Brazil (USA won set 1) Set 1: 2, 2, 4 Set 2: 2, 2, 1 Set 3: 3, 2, 0 Set 4: 2, 1, 0 9....7.....5So in the last 5 points of the match we seem to missing a few too many ? |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 31, 2021 11:46:30 GMT -5
Showing service errors broken down by USA's point ranges: 1-10, 11-19, 20+. Keep in mind my tallies could be slightly off but should be close to right. France (USA won all 3 sets) Set 1: 2, 1, 1 Set 2: 4, 3, 0 Set 3: 0, 3, 3 6...7....4Russia (USA won set 3) Set 1: 1, 1, 2 Set 2: 2, 4, 4 Set 3: 3, 2, 1 Set 4: 0, 3, 2 6....10...8Tunisia (USA lost set 2) Set 1: 3, 0, 0 Set 2: 2, 1, 2 Set 3: 1, 3, 1 Set 4: 2, 1, 4 8....5....7 Brazil (USA won set 1) Set 1: 2, 2, 4 Set 2: 2, 2, 1 Set 3: 3, 2, 0 Set 4: 2, 1, 0 9....7.....5So in the last 5 points of the match we seem to missing a few too many ? Considering there are less possible rallies/points in the 20+ range, but USA is still getting a large % of service errors in that range I think that is a reasonable takeaway. |
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Post by sammyd on Jul 31, 2021 16:46:32 GMT -5
I really think this boils down to "trying too hard" to be THE GUY at the end of a set to close it out. We don't always need aces!
One thing I noticed about a few of our really successful years is that blocking played a big role in the last few points of several championship matches. Micah consistently comes up with a big block at the end of a match. David Lee clinched World League in 2014. Similar stuff happened in Rio.
One thing about the end of a set for other teams is that they are trying to be THE GUY when the get a set, and I think that has the tendency to lead to getting blocked quite a bit. I would be interested to see point breakdowns by interval that are attributable to blocks. My hunch is that they increase as a share of points at 20+ conditional on getting a serve in. I would be more than happy with a decent float serve to give our guys an opportunity to get a block or dig (we've been great this tournament digging!) because I think nerves hit the other teams too- either by being overly aggressive or by rolling too much.
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Post by pelican on Jul 31, 2021 17:07:05 GMT -5
I'm wondering how often serves that aren't aces lead to getting the opponent out of system and/or unable to sideout immediately. Obviously aces are good and errors are bad, but most serves don't fall into those two categories. If aggressive serves lead to free balls, weak attacks, or a setter with only one option, then errors are okay even if there aren't many aces. On the other hand, if most of the serves are being passed well anyway, then back off a bit to reduce the errors.
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 31, 2021 18:34:45 GMT -5
I'm wondering how often serves that aren't aces lead to getting the opponent out of system and/or unable to sideout immediately. Obviously aces are good and errors are bad, but most serves don't fall into those two categories. If aggressive serves lead to free balls, weak attacks, or a setter with only one option, then errors are okay even if there aren't many aces. On the other hand, if most of the serves are being passed well anyway, then back off a bit to reduce the errors. Regardless, does USA have the ability to effectively back off a bit without it being a cupcake serve? Actually, I’d be curious which teams in the world are good at that |
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