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Post by dodger on Oct 20, 2021 10:24:25 GMT -5
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Post by vbfamily on Oct 20, 2021 16:23:16 GMT -5
Is Athletes Unlimited supporting a volleyball season again in 2022? The two leagues can't coexist. Can they? Ronika Stone I believe is planing to play AU, but is also in the LOVB video, so who knows? |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 20, 2021 16:25:17 GMT -5
Is Athletes Unlimited supporting a volleyball season again in 2022? The two leagues can't coexist. Can they? I don't see why they can't. For the short term anyways AU seems to want their season to be late winter/spring (Feb-March) LOVB seems to be going towards late spring/summer Hentz seems to be doing both in 2022. |
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Oct 27, 2021 16:04:57 GMT -5
You believe they will have a team in Hawaii?? I hear Carlini wants to play in Madison: rumor is she already has been offered a contract starting in 2023: the year they originally stated league would start! But NPR Article says 2022: maybe its a 2022-2023 thing? And counting on young players to pay to attend games wishful thinking on LOVB’s part I am guessing the affiliated larger youth clubs (Houston Skyline , A5) will somehow bake season tickets for each youth player into the annual fee's ( or offer a sweetheart deal) to drive attendance. Plus, it sounds like the teams will practice and actually play initially at these larger clubs (that have facilities) so the youth athletes will naturally gravitate to the teams they see training right next to them on a day to day basis. The smart thing to do would be to schedule matches after peak practice times for the teams to drive attendance. It's a great way to build an internal fan base and culture. Clubs that have facilities that cater to youth sports fight to pack their gyms with youth programming when youth is available, usually after school hours excluding the covid year, in order to keep the lights on. Kid's can't practice during school hours but pro's could. It would be difficult to the business to hold professional team training programs right next to youth teams daily, unless they limited their youth programming aka the revenue stream that is paying the professionals. AND all the while, how does USAV benefit from this? As the NGB of volleyball in the US, they need their cut to sustain national team programs which is predominantly funded by Junior Girl's Volleyball in a manner similar to the WNBA being backed by the NBA or almost all NCAA women's sports receiving a majority of their funding from Football/revenue generating sports. How deep are the pockets of League One's financiers? Are they renting gym space for matches or they just gonna FYRE fest it out in these warehouse/gyms without supporting bleachers/concessions/rest rooms? Why do the top pro vb leagues in the world seem to shift by season or every couple seasons? Some would say follow the money or the ability to wash it. Is it coincidental the strength of Brasilian, Russian, Chinese top leagues attracting talent during years where those countries are hosting the Olympics? How does Turkey have one of the strongest leagues for a couple of seasons? Why are owner's of some of the top pro teams, foreign nationals to the country that hosts the particular league? Maybe this part belongs in the LBSU coaches being fired thread. Is selling an entity and becoming an employee of a Pro league/Team/Franchise, however its spelled out contractually, a NCAA violation? The NCAA likes full control over its member schools and does not like competition for resources. I'm all for growing the game, access to the game, and creating a pro league in the US. Hopefully no one needs to rob peter to pay paul. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 27, 2021 17:00:29 GMT -5
I am guessing the affiliated larger youth clubs (Houston Skyline , A5) will somehow bake season tickets for each youth player into the annual fee's ( or offer a sweetheart deal) to drive attendance. Plus, it sounds like the teams will practice and actually play initially at these larger clubs (that have facilities) so the youth athletes will naturally gravitate to the teams they see training right next to them on a day to day basis. The smart thing to do would be to schedule matches after peak practice times for the teams to drive attendance. It's a great way to build an internal fan base and culture. Why do the top pro vb leagues in the world seem to shift by season or every couple seasons? Some would say follow the money or the ability to wash it. Is it coincidental the strength of Brasilian, Russian, Chinese top leagues attracting talent during years where those countries are hosting the Olympics? How does Turkey have one of the strongest leagues for a couple of seasons? Why are owner's of some of the top pro teams, foreign nationals to the country that hosts the particular league? Most of this is very untrue. The success of the international leagues comes from the ability of teams to be sponsored/financed by corporations. They cannot do that in the USA. Those "top leagues" (Brazil is not a top league nor do they have top non-Brazilian talent) having the finances and resources to attract the top players. The Olympics had nothing to do with Jordan Larson playing in Russia or China. Italy has been the top league in the world for a long time now, as has Turkey. Sure, some of the top teams have shifted, but that's because women's professional sports are unstable. Sponsors change, finances change. It's going to happen. Turkey has a strong league, because they have the resources and the passion to do so. I don't think you'll find a more passionate group of people than the Turkish fans for volleyball. Even their president had a part in welcoming a new player to their national team. I don't think any foreign national owns a top, elite team. At least not in Turkey or Italy (that I'm aware of) |
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Oct 27, 2021 18:11:38 GMT -5
Why do the top pro vb leagues in the world seem to shift by season or every couple seasons? Some would say follow the money or the ability to wash it. Is it coincidental the strength of Brasilian, Russian, Chinese top leagues attracting talent during years where those countries are hosting the Olympics? How does Turkey have one of the strongest leagues for a couple of seasons? Why are owner's of some of the top pro teams, foreign nationals to the country that hosts the particular league? Most of this is very untrue. The success of the international leagues comes from the ability of teams to be sponsored/financed by corporations. They cannot do that in the USA. Those "top leagues" (Brazil is not a top league nor do they have top non-Brazilian talent) having the finances and resources to attract the top players. The Olympics had nothing to do with Jordan Larson playing in Russia or China. Italy has been the top league in the world for a long time now, as has Turkey. Sure, some of the top teams have shifted, but that's because women's professional sports are unstable. Sponsors change, finances change. It's going to happen. Turkey has a strong league, because they have the resources and the passion to do so. I don't think you'll find a more passionate group of people than the Turkish fans for volleyball. Even their president had a part in welcoming a new player to their national team. I don't think any foreign national owns a top, elite team. At least not in Turkey or Italy (that I'm aware of) The questions I was asking may be a little premature given the recency of the pandora papers. And of course, there are plenty of people and pro club owners that are great business people and have made all sums of money through legit means. Not trying to hijack the thread into an international money laundering and organized crime expose. So here's a few interesting tidbits. Viktor Komogorv the Chairman of Dynamo-Moscow who was also Deputy Director of the FSB is clean as a whistle. CSKA Moscow the most titled USSR/Russian Volleyball team, disbanded in 2009 for financial problems, their name literally meant Central Army Sports Club, nothing shady from them either. /s FIVB President Ary Graça of Brasil, and his associates are being investigated for a litany of financial crimes. Turkey as a whole country has been placed on the FATF watch list for money laundering. China is purely speculation given how trustworthy any CCP controlled news is that reaches the rest of the world. I'm not saying every team or league is shady, just that shady people with money may use them for means other than pure profit. *None of this tangent is directed at LOVB. Shady financial transactions of other pro leagues was brought up as a way that others could have temporarily supported the financing of our beloved sport in other countries that may or may not have the traditional capital of US based people, corporations and/or entities. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 27, 2021 19:19:51 GMT -5
Most of this is very untrue. The success of the international leagues comes from the ability of teams to be sponsored/financed by corporations. They cannot do that in the USA. Those "top leagues" (Brazil is not a top league nor do they have top non-Brazilian talent) having the finances and resources to attract the top players. The Olympics had nothing to do with Jordan Larson playing in Russia or China. Italy has been the top league in the world for a long time now, as has Turkey. Sure, some of the top teams have shifted, but that's because women's professional sports are unstable. Sponsors change, finances change. It's going to happen. Turkey has a strong league, because they have the resources and the passion to do so. I don't think you'll find a more passionate group of people than the Turkish fans for volleyball. Even their president had a part in welcoming a new player to their national team. I don't think any foreign national owns a top, elite team. At least not in Turkey or Italy (that I'm aware of) The questions I was asking may be a little premature given the recency of the pandora papers. And of course, there are plenty of people and pro club owners that are great business people and have made all sums of money through legit means. Not trying to hijack the thread into an international money laundering and organized crime expose. So here's a few interesting tidbits. Viktor Komogorv the Chairman of Dynamo-Moscow who was also Deputy Director of the FSB is clean as a whistle. CSKA Moscow the most titled USSR/Russian Volleyball team, disbanded in 2009 for financial problems, their name literally meant Central Army Sports Club, nothing shady from them either. /s FIVB President Ary Graça of Brasil, and his associates are being investigated for a litany of financial crimes. Turkey as a whole country has been placed on the FATF watch list for money laundering. China is purely speculation given how trustworthy any CCP controlled news is that reaches the rest of the world. I'm not saying every team or league is shady, just that shady people with money may use them for means other than pure profit. *None of this tangent is directed at LOVB. Shady financial transactions of other pro leagues was brought up as a way that others could have temporarily supported the financing of our beloved sport in other countries that may or may not have the traditional capital of US based people, corporations and/or entities. Let us also remember that the IVA, International Volleyball Association, the league that Wilt Chamberlain helped fund and played in was ultimately brought down when the Denver Comet's owners were arrested for using the team to launder their drug money. It happened in broad daylight with the news cameras rolling. Just saying. |
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Oct 28, 2021 13:10:09 GMT -5
I am guessing the affiliated larger youth clubs (Houston Skyline , A5) will somehow bake season tickets for each youth player into the annual fee's ( or offer a sweetheart deal) to drive attendance. Plus, it sounds like the teams will practice and actually play initially at these larger clubs (that have facilities) so the youth athletes will naturally gravitate to the teams they see training right next to them on a day to day basis. The smart thing to do would be to schedule matches after peak practice times for the teams to drive attendance. It's a great way to build an internal fan base and culture. Clubs that have facilities that cater to youth sports fight to pack their gyms with youth programming when youth is available, usually after school hours excluding the covid year, in order to keep the lights on. Kid's can't practice during school hours but pro's could. It would be difficult to the business to hold professional team training programs right next to youth teams daily, unless they limited their youth programming aka the revenue stream that is paying the professionals. AND all the while, how does USAV benefit from this? As the NGB of volleyball in the US, they need their cut to sustain national team programs which is predominantly funded by Junior Girl's Volleyball in a manner similar to the WNBA being backed by the NBA or almost all NCAA women's sports receiving a majority of their funding from Football/revenue generating sports. How deep are the pockets of League One's financiers? Are they renting gym space for matches or they just gonna FYRE fest it out in these warehouse/gyms without supporting bleachers/concessions/rest rooms? Why do the top pro vb leagues in the world seem to shift by season or every couple seasons? Some would say follow the money or the ability to wash it. Is it coincidental the strength of Brasilian, Russian, Chinese top leagues attracting talent during years where those countries are hosting the Olympics? How does Turkey have one of the strongest leagues for a couple of seasons? Why are owner's of some of the top pro teams, foreign nationals to the country that hosts the particular league? Maybe this part belongs in the LBSU coaches being fired thread. Is selling an entity and becoming an employee of a Pro league/Team/Franchise, however its spelled out contractually, a NCAA violation? The NCAA likes full control over its member schools and does not like competition for resources. I'm all for growing the game, access to the game, and creating a pro league in the US. Hopefully no one needs to rob peter to pay paul. You make some amazing points here. You may be right, this could be a factor in the sudden removal of the LBSU coaches as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 14:53:51 GMT -5
You may be right, this could be a factor in the sudden removal of the LBSU coaches as well. It was not. |
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