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Post by maplespear on Aug 6, 2021 12:40:17 GMT -5
I'm probably one of the least knowledgeable posters here, but how can the criticisms still have any validity when the team has made the gold medal match without losing a game, despite losing their best offensive player to injury? Going into the Olympics if you asked, without Thompson is the US a top 2 team, would people have said yes? Haven't they already overachieved? Because it doesn’t live up to their “expectations” of play. Which is apparently everyone being perfect every game, while posters are sitting on their couch typing on VT. What some of these posters say about players is absolutely disgusting considering how many hours and how much effort they put into the sport. What's even more disgusting is that this pattern of thinking overlaps onto other posters and ultimately themselves. Expecting perfection always and not allowing vulnerability.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 12:56:12 GMT -5
I’m also shocked Terzic didn’t even at least TRY Brankica. It’s not like Busa was passing well at all either. At least Brankica might have been able to clean up her shanks….
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 6, 2021 12:56:24 GMT -5
Also I’m surprised it’s taken teams this long to make adjustments to Bosko. Its not like she’s some unknown or that she’s playing faster than anyone. Everyone knows where the ball is going and teams have time to set up defense if they’re in the right spot. Serbia losing has more to do with the rest of the team lacking rather than Bosko having a mediocre night. We're giving too much credit to ourselves for "stopping" the likes of Bosko & Egonu. If they were performing at merely 80% of their best they would've shredded us. They stopped themselves more than we stopped them. While I don’t believe either played very well, I disagree with how much credit we deserve.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 6, 2021 12:57:03 GMT -5
Also I’m surprised it’s taken teams this long to make adjustments to Bosko. Its not like she’s some unknown or that she’s playing faster than anyone. Everyone knows where the ball is going and teams have time to set up defense if they’re in the right spot. Serbia losing has more to do with the rest of the team lacking rather than Bosko having a mediocre night. We're giving too much credit to ourselves for "stopping" the likes of Bosko & Egonu. If they were performing at merely 80% of their best they would've shredded us. They stopped themselves more than we stopped them. Very true. But, the US should give itself some credit. Yes, some of Bosko's misses were just pure physical misses. But, as I said last night, pressure is real and "pressing" is real. The US played great defense and blocked well last night. That certainly makes players press and maybe try to do too much - try to thread the needle to fine, try to hit too hard from a less than optimal position. And I think Bosko did that more than a few times. This isn't "stopping" a player directly as with a dig or a block, but it's "stopping" them indirectly by making them think about it resulting in errors. Yes, great players have bad nights, but usually part of the "bad" is a result of their opponents. The reason she didn't perform at "merely 80%" is partially a result of the USA.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 6, 2021 12:59:53 GMT -5
We're giving too much credit to ourselves for "stopping" the likes of Bosko & Egonu. If they were performing at merely 80% of their best they would've shredded us. They stopped themselves more than we stopped them. Very true. But, the US should give itself some credit. Yes, some of Bosko's misses were just pure physical misses. But, as I said last night, pressure is real and "pressing" is real. The US played great defense and blocked well last night. That certainly makes players press and maybe try to do too much - try to thread the needle to fine, try to hit too hard from a less than optimal position. And I think Bosko did that more than a few times. This isn't "stopping" a player directly as with a dig or a block, but it's "stopping" them indirectly by making them think about it. Yes, great players have bad nights, but usually part of the "bad" is a result of their opponents. The reason she didn't perform at "merely 80%" is partially a result of the USA. Middle back defense, especially at the beginning of sets, was phenomenal. Everything hard driven to zone 6 was being transition dug to kill, it was awesome to watch.
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Post by maplespear on Aug 6, 2021 13:00:23 GMT -5
My gawd, we were supposed to win in 2012, and you know who stopped us? Yeah, it was BRAzil. I hate to inject some skepticism, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Yes, I think USA should be favored, but BRAzil will play like a team that has nothing to lose since their coach will prime them as the underdog. If Brazil's performance at VNL was better, I would say this is going to be a match. They just don't have it this year. USA's block, defense, and mentality is so strong. The comparison of this current team to a 2012 USA team is like comparing apples to oranges.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 6, 2021 13:05:04 GMT -5
My gawd, we were supposed to win in 2012, and you know who stopped us? Yeah, it was BRAzil. I hate to inject some skepticism, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Yes, I think USA should be favored, but BRAzil will play like a team that has nothing to lose since their coach will prime them as the underdog. If Brazil's performance at VNL was better, I would say this is going to be a match. They just don't have it this year. USA's block, defense, and mentality is so strong. The comparison of this current team to a 2012 USA team is like comparing apples to oranges. Why are you judging Brazil by their VNL performance? Shouldn’t you be judging Brazil off of their Olympic performance? Which to my knowledge, Brazil is undefeated and playing well. I still think it’s going to be a match, to say otherwise doesn’t really make sense to me.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 6, 2021 13:05:57 GMT -5
Yup, I believe we’re better than Brazil, and I believe we will win, but this is an undefeated team, coupled with the pressure of the biggest moment in these players careers. I wouldn’t go counting gold medals yet. Russia? they are referring to Brazil being undefeated this olympics
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Aug 6, 2021 13:06:34 GMT -5
they are referring to Brazil being undefeated this olympics Yep, I see that now
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 6, 2021 13:08:44 GMT -5
Very true. But, the US should give itself some credit. Yes, some of Bosko's misses were just pure physical misses. But, as I said last night, pressure is real and "pressing" is real. The US played great defense and blocked well last night. That certainly makes players press and maybe try to do too much - try to thread the needle to fine, try to hit too hard from a less than optimal position. And I think Bosko did that more than a few times. This isn't "stopping" a player directly as with a dig or a block, but it's "stopping" them indirectly by making them think about it. Yes, great players have bad nights, but usually part of the "bad" is a result of their opponents. The reason she didn't perform at "merely 80%" is partially a result of the USA. Middle back defense, especially at the beginning of sets, was phenomenal. Everything hard driven to zone 6 was being transition dug to kill, it was awesome to watch. Watching Boscovic attack vs how we defended her was like watching major league hitters hit vs the shift. Can anyone lay down a bunt anymore?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 6, 2021 13:09:28 GMT -5
My gawd, we were supposed to win in 2012, and you know who stopped us? Yeah, it was BRAzil. I hate to inject some skepticism, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Yes, I think USA should be favored, but BRAzil will play like a team that has nothing to lose since their coach will prime them as the underdog. If Brazil's performance at VNL was better, I would say this is going to be a match. They just don't have it this year. USA's block, defense, and mentality is so strong. The comparison of this current team to a 2012 USA team is like comparing apples to oranges. They have it enough to be 7-0 at the freakin Olympics
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 6, 2021 13:11:46 GMT -5
My gawd, we were supposed to win in 2012, and you know who stopped us? Yeah, it was BRAzil. I hate to inject some skepticism, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Yes, I think USA should be favored, but BRAzil will play like a team that has nothing to lose since their coach will prime them as the underdog. If Brazil's performance at VNL was better, I would say this is going to be a match. They just don't have it this year. USA's block, defense, and mentality is so strong. The comparison of this current team to a 2012 USA team is like comparing apples to oranges. To give some perspective as to how hard it is to win gold regardless of opponent or track record leading into final, We’ve NEVER won gold before. Ever
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Post by volleyheels10 on Aug 6, 2021 13:19:19 GMT -5
If Brazil's performance at VNL was better, I would say this is going to be a match. They just don't have it this year. USA's block, defense, and mentality is so strong. The comparison of this current team to a 2012 USA team is like comparing apples to oranges. They have it enough to be 7-0 at the freakin Olympics They played in a pool that consist of Kenya, DR (which we obliterated), South Korea who is a one woman show, and Serbia who we served off the court....
Pool B was much more brutal and one could argue the other teams in Pool B didnt have the depth to last as long as the USA has. I bet USA could have went 7-0 in pool A, but instead we were in the pool of adversity.
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Post by maplespear on Aug 6, 2021 13:23:03 GMT -5
If Brazil's performance at VNL was better, I would say this is going to be a match. They just don't have it this year. USA's block, defense, and mentality is so strong. The comparison of this current team to a 2012 USA team is like comparing apples to oranges. Why are you judging Brazil by their VNL performance? Shouldn’t you be judging Brazil off of their Olympic performance? Which to my knowledge, Brazil is undefeated and playing well. I still think it’s going to be a match, to say otherwise doesn’t really make sense to me. Because it was two weeks ago? What am I missing here? So b/c Brazil did well five years ago, I'm to think they will replicate this tomorrow? USA's block and defense played the same role at VNL that it has at these OG, and no team has responded including Brazil ( for reference, please rewatch VNL championship.)
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Post by midnightblue on Aug 6, 2021 13:23:44 GMT -5
the set scores for USA x Brazil in the VNL final were :
26-28 25-23 25-23 25-21 USA 3-1
both teams played their starters. That's as close as you can get in a match. This should be close.
The VNL final was also 6 weeks ago.
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