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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 20:16:40 GMT -5
Just because a coach doesn't support or agree with a player's views doesn't make him racist or abusive. Move on. oh hey Josh. That didn’t take long at all
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Post by volleykong on Aug 18, 2021 20:20:16 GMT -5
Nice try. Your posts make you sound like the d bag, by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 20:22:29 GMT -5
Nice try. Your posts make you sound like the d bag, by the way. I try
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 18, 2021 20:50:18 GMT -5
I think whatever is going on at Missouri and North Carolina is sus. There is a reason so many are transferring. I think this is more true at UNC than Missouri (for now at least). It’s been a consistent issue for UNC. The Missouri thing should definitely raise some eyebrows but it was mostly grad transfers. If it becomes a trend, that’s a bigger issue. 🙄
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Post by Fight On! on Aug 18, 2021 20:52:17 GMT -5
Nice try. Your posts make you sound like the d bag, by the way. I disagree. Defending disaffected young women of color and trying to hold a grown racist man accountable is not douchebaggery.
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Post by n00b on Aug 18, 2021 21:45:15 GMT -5
I think this is more true at UNC than Missouri (for now at least). It’s been a consistent issue for UNC. The Missouri thing should definitely raise some eyebrows but it was mostly grad transfers. If it becomes a trend, that’s a bigger issue. why is it that you must defend Josh Taylor (and Kylee M, and Kenzie Koerber I’m seeing a common theme here) at all costs when so many athletes and posters have come out and blatantly said he’s a racist d bag? Is Fuentes and Hollingsworth posting about the abuse not enough evidence for you? I don’t know him. I don’t know what went down. You don’t think consistently losing your best players for half a decade is more significant than one offseason of transfers? It’s the hot seat thread. You think there was something went down that will cause him to get fired AFTER this season? Edit: AND North Carolina has been significantly worse on the court.
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Post by eazy on Aug 18, 2021 21:52:11 GMT -5
why is it that you must defend Josh Taylor (and Kylee M, and Kenzie Koerber I’m seeing a common theme here) at all costs when so many athletes and posters have come out and blatantly said he’s a racist d bag? Is Fuentes and Hollingsworth posting about the abuse not enough evidence for you? I don’t know him. I don’t know what went down. You don’t think consistently losing your best players for half a decade is more significant than one offseason of transfers? It’s the hot seat thread. You think there was something went down that will cause him to get fired AFTER this season? Edit: AND North Carolina has been significantly worse on the court. Why can’t both situations be significant? One is a bad sign (lots of good transfers) and one is a major red flag (good transfers calling you out for abuse). Firing someone AFTER a season or two seems much more common than firing someone during a season, if they are exposed as a racist. It takes a Virginia type scandal for it to happen during season.
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Post by n00b on Aug 18, 2021 22:02:15 GMT -5
I don’t know him. I don’t know what went down. You don’t think consistently losing your best players for half a decade is more significant than one offseason of transfers? It’s the hot seat thread. You think there was something went down that will cause him to get fired AFTER this season? Edit: AND North Carolina has been significantly worse on the court. Why can’t both situations be significant? One is a bad sign (lots of good transfers) and one is a major red flag (good transfers calling you out for abuse). Firing someone AFTER a season or two seems much more common than firing someone during a season, if they are exposed as a racist. It takes a Virginia type scandal for it to happen during season. My general premise - administrators (with a few exceptions) don’t care about volleyball. What administrators can and will get fired for is overlooking abusive treatment of players. They’ll take the path that will least likely lead to a lawsuit or a PR nightmare. The few firings we’ve seen this off-season were almost certainly for those reasons. Defending a racist just seems like something a college administrator would have no interest in doing.
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Post by eazy on Aug 18, 2021 22:06:16 GMT -5
Why can’t both situations be significant? One is a bad sign (lots of good transfers) and one is a major red flag (good transfers calling you out for abuse). Firing someone AFTER a season or two seems much more common than firing someone during a season, if they are exposed as a racist. It takes a Virginia type scandal for it to happen during season. My general premise - administrators (with a few exceptions) don’t care about volleyball. What administrators can and will get fired for is overlooking abusive treatment of players. They’ll take the path that will least likely lead to a lawsuit or a PR nightmare. The few firings we’ve seen this off-season were almost certainly for those reasons. Defending a racist just seems like something a college administrator would have no interest in doing. Perhaps you’re right and the administration found no wrong doing, perhaps they’re just taking their time to build a rock solid case due to the family ties they might need to uproot. Either way, I’d imagine both seats are fairly warm unless the Mizzou coaches are above reproach.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 18, 2021 22:17:29 GMT -5
My general premise - administrators (with a few exceptions) don’t care about volleyball. What administrators can and will get fired for is overlooking abusive treatment of players. They’ll take the path that will least likely lead to a lawsuit or a PR nightmare. The few firings we’ve seen this off-season were almost certainly for those reasons. Defending a racist just seems like something a college administrator would have no interest in doing. Perhaps you’re right and the administration found no wrong doing, perhaps they’re just taking their time to build a rock solid case due to the family ties they might need to uproot. Either way, I’d imagine both seats are fairly warm unless the Mizzou coaches are above reproach. Or, alternatively, the adminstrators who put a guy with 2 years of coaching experience in charge of a Top 25 SEC program because he was the old coach's nephew-in-law really want to avoid putting extra scrutiny on that decision.
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Post by notwvb on Aug 18, 2021 22:41:38 GMT -5
With hopeful “normal” season on the horizon, are there any Power 5 coaches who must step it up? Seems like like two or three in the Big Ten. or four
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Post by n00b on Aug 18, 2021 23:02:13 GMT -5
Perhaps you’re right and the administration found no wrong doing, perhaps they’re just taking their time to build a rock solid case due to the family ties they might need to uproot. Either way, I’d imagine both seats are fairly warm unless the Mizzou coaches are above reproach. Or, alternatively, the adminstrators who put a guy with 2 years of coaching experience in charge of a Top 25 SEC program because he was the old coach's nephew-in-law really want to avoid putting extra scrutiny on that decision. Could be. And I thought it was a ridiculous hire. Nothing but pure nepotism.
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Post by Semp12 on Aug 18, 2021 23:13:55 GMT -5
According to the vtalk geniuses you have to think Jerriot Elliot is on the hot seat with all that underachieving According to my booster friend at Texas, he is not on the hot seat. Alums with big money are happy that the volleyball program shows pretty strongly every year like clockwork. I'm not telling you something you probably don't know, but football is HUGE at Texas and the moneyed boosters main priority. Bball is second, and they just did some coach cleaning there like football, but as long as JE continues on the current path he is very safe. Sure some schools may not have football, and a few select ones go basketball then football.. but is there another order that boosters can show priority too? I don't think many were aware they could prioritize a something other than football and basketball.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 18, 2021 23:25:41 GMT -5
According to my booster friend at Texas, he is not on the hot seat. Alums with big money are happy that the volleyball program shows pretty strongly every year like clockwork. I'm not telling you something you probably don't know, but football is HUGE at Texas and the moneyed boosters main priority. Bball is second, and they just did some coach cleaning there like football, but as long as JE continues on the current path he is very safe. Sure some schools may not have football, and a few select ones go basketball then football.. but is there another order that boosters can show priority too? I don't think many were aware they could prioritize a something other than football and basketball. From what I've seen, schools put a decent amount of effort into trying to get their boosters focused/interested on other sports. They need the money all the same, it's a lot easier to get a VB coach to spend time on a second-tier donor, and the more hooks they can connect to the school, the better.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 18, 2021 23:36:52 GMT -5
Sure some schools may not have football, and a few select ones go basketball then football.. but is there another order that boosters can show priority too? I don't think many were aware they could prioritize a something other than football and basketball. From what I've seen, schools put a decent amount of effort into trying to get their boosters focused/interested on other sports. They need the money all the same, it's a lot easier to get a VB coach to spend time on a second-tier donor, and the more hooks they can connect to the school, the better. I know sometimes "other sports" get directed booster money. For instance, boosters bought Washington's Taraflex floor. Boosters also bought lights for Husky Softball Stadium. (In 2009 UW won the WCWS but had to play on the road in the super-regional because NCAA rules would not allow them to host without permanently installed field lights. Boosters came up with the money to buy lights in time for the 2010 season.)
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