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Post by Winbabywin on Aug 31, 2021 5:21:18 GMT -5
I'm definitely not surprised, but I just think it's funny that we are already 8 pages deep. A previous poster listed the schools that are potentially "hot", and mentioned UNC and MS State. 1. Do y'all think Joe's seat will ever be truly hot? He's been there forever; does he get to decide when he leaves? 2. Do you really think Julie's job in Starkville is in jeopardy? I know there were discussions about schools not caring about volleyball (i.e. Georgia), but do you REALLY think they care at MS State right now? I have a feeling that coaches at programs like MS St will have a pretty long leash if they keep their noses clean. I do agree that AD's do not necessarily go down the road of literally firing vball coaches...the non-renewal will be the tool.
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Post by bprtbone on Aug 31, 2021 7:19:37 GMT -5
Posting my opinions... Big 10 Michigan (28-25 last 3, big 10) Ummmm, the Rosen's aren't going anywhere. They will retire when they want to retire.
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Post by cubbypike on Aug 31, 2021 10:30:32 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing, but your mention of McCartney is actually relevant. He was fired mid-season (so ... 3.5 years?), which isn't something that programs do if they don't care/don't pay attention. But my larger point is that these "it's a football school, no one cares" comments on vb coaches are just lazy. Schools do care; ADs -- especially good ones -- care about the experience of all their student athletes. This is a general point, not a point about UGA, Josh Brooks, or Tom Black, though I do think Brooks is a pretty good AD. His football program is on incredibly solid ground right now, so why wouldn't he be paying attention to other sports? Though to be fair, I totally get Girlpower's point, as well, that the 2020 season may just be considered a blip. I actually expect UGA to have a pretty decent year this year, and if so, then 2020 will probably be considered irrelevant. If the Dawgs are not very good again this year, though, I am genuinely curious. Not hoping for anything - I think Black is a capable coach. But of all the coaches in the SEC, I think he might be the most vulnerable if UGA has another bad season. Josh Taylor's making a strong statement for hottest seat in the SEC after the first weekend. A very possible 1-5 or 0-6 start after this weekend might have that seat blazing.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 31, 2021 12:20:13 GMT -5
It was interesting that Kelly Sheffield was suggested as a replacement. This was rejected by another poster because he was "ensconced". Kelly was coaching at Dayton at the time. Sheffield had a player die in a plane crash and promised not to leave that team, those players. The last of them graduated in 2013 which is when he went to Wisconsin. He'd had calls from better jobs than Georgia and said "no." Remember when Christie Johnson Lynch was the heir apparent at Nebraska? Ray Bechard was on the hot seat at Kansas? And Matt Peck was the favorite for Mississippi State/Alabama/Iowa and a few others? Things change. The Wisconsin job was the job that every coach coveted because of its potential. People in Dayton knew that they couldn't possibly keep Sheffield because the resources are not enough to produce a consistent contender for the NC. I think all UD fans were glad that he kept his promise to that class of players. The court at Frericke Center is named after Kacie Hausfeld and her father Tom, both perished in the accident.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 31, 2021 12:50:34 GMT -5
Sheffield had a player die in a plane crash and promised not to leave that team, those players. The last of them graduated in 2013 which is when he went to Wisconsin. He'd had calls from better jobs than Georgia and said "no." Remember when Christie Johnson Lynch was the heir apparent at Nebraska? Ray Bechard was on the hot seat at Kansas? And Matt Peck was the favorite for Mississippi State/Alabama/Iowa and a few others? Things change. The Wisconsin job was the job that every coach coveted because of its potential. People in Dayton knew that they couldn't possibly keep Sheffield because the resources are not enough to produce a consistent contender for the NC. I think all UD fans were glad that he kept his promise to that class of players. The court at Frericke Center is named after Kacie Hausfeld and her father Tom, both perished in the accident. Every coach would be an overstatement as a few of the coaches they pursued took a pass. Of course the main part of your point is dead accurate. When Wisconsin got a clue and made the job what it should be, their potential was limitless and became a job near anyone would covet. The Hausfelds were and are a family, that was a devastating tragedy.
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Post by wdyk on Aug 31, 2021 13:26:53 GMT -5
IMO one bad season does not put a coach in the hot seat, however, a dismal season that left BC at the bottom of the ACC coupled with player complaints and multiple transfers year after year since Kennedy's arrival certainly places Boston College in the running for a coaching change.
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Post by rtimov on Aug 31, 2021 13:32:44 GMT -5
IMO one bad season does not put a coach in the hot seat, however, a dismal season that left BC at the bottom of the ACC coupled with player complaints and multiple transfers year after year since Kennedy's arrival certainly places Boston College in the running for a coaching change. Absolutely!! Time for BC to get serious and hire some confident and experienced coaches. This would require BC to dig deep into their pockets.
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Post by trojansc on Aug 31, 2021 13:37:04 GMT -5
Lol.
Boston College beat Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, and Louisville in 2019. They were 11-7 in the ACC!!! Louisville made the Elite 8 and Georgia Tech was the 2nd best team in the ACC. You're telling me volleyball powerhouse *Boston College* is supposed to do better than that?
The COVID season was unfortunate, not only were they in the toughest pod by far and it wasn't even close, but, they were playing without their best player. They still beat Miami-FL with Lukianova, that was an overachievement surely.
This is all player complaints aside. But watching BC before and after Jason Kennedy, I think it's delusional to think that results wise Boston College has a much higher ceiling.....
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Post by rtimov on Aug 31, 2021 13:54:04 GMT -5
Lol. Boston College beat Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, and Louisville in 2019. They were 11-7 in the ACC!!! Louisville made the Elite 8 and Georgia Tech was the 2nd best team in the ACC. You're telling me volleyball powerhouse *Boston College* is supposed to do better than that? The COVID season was unfortunate, not only were they in the toughest pod by far and it wasn't even close, but, they were playing without their best player. They still beat Miami-FL with Lukianova, that was an overachievement surely. This is all player complaints aside. But watching BC before and after Jason Kennedy, I think it's delusional to think that results wise Boston College has a much higher ceiling..... You have some points. All the teams had to deal with COVID. Kennedy had inherited some good players but this isn't 2019. They struggled against Northeastern this past weekend. We'll see how they do against ACC team this year.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 31, 2021 14:21:06 GMT -5
IMO one bad season does not put a coach in the hot seat, however, a dismal season that left BC at the bottom of the ACC coupled with player complaints and multiple transfers year after year since Kennedy's arrival certainly places Boston College in the running for a coaching change. Absolutely!! Time for BC to get serious and hire some confident and experience coaches. This would require BC to dig deep into their pockets. You’re asking a department t to dig deep into shallow pockets.
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Post by bkedane on Aug 31, 2021 16:25:40 GMT -5
The Wisconsin job was the job that every coach coveted because of its potential. People in Dayton knew that they couldn't possibly keep Sheffield because the resources are not enough to produce a consistent contender for the NC. I think all UD fans were glad that he kept his promise to that class of players. The court at Frericke Center is named after Kacie Hausfeld and her father Tom, both perished in the accident. Every coach would be an overstatement as a few of the coaches they pursued took a pass. Of course the main part of your point is dead accurate. When Wisconsin got a clue and made the job what it should be, their potential was limitless and became a job near anyone would covet. The Hausfelds were and are a family, that was a devastating tragedy. This is a good assessment. Those who turned down Wisconsin, or withdrew quickly after being approached, did so because Wisconsin's initial sketch of terms was so disappointing. By the time Wisconsin talked with Sheffield the involved administrators had finally done their homework to learn what a serious offer would need to include.
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Post by eazy on Aug 31, 2021 17:09:24 GMT -5
2 accounts with a combined 8 posts and agreed with each other less than 10 minutes apart.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 31, 2021 17:31:51 GMT -5
Every coach would be an overstatement as a few of the coaches they pursued took a pass. Of course the main part of your point is dead accurate. When Wisconsin got a clue and made the job what it should be, their potential was limitless and became a job near anyone would covet. The Hausfelds were and are a family, that was a devastating tragedy. This is a good assessment. Those who turned down Wisconsin, or withdrew quickly after being approached, did so because Wisconsin's initial sketch of terms was so disappointing. By the time Wisconsin talked with Sheffield the involved administrators had finally done their homework to learn what a serious offer would need to include. I’ll reiterate that Phadreus point regarding how classy Sheff conducted himself and Wisconsin’s unlimited upside was spot on.
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Post by gophervbfan on Aug 31, 2021 20:44:02 GMT -5
Heard this the other day - If the Big 12 schools don't happen to figure something out, they'll have to reduce about 1/3 of their payroll. That's department wide, but I wouldn't expect the revenue sports to give up as much as a sport like, say, volleyball. VB, baseball, and softball are in the crosshairs most likely, as they're pretty well-compensated for sports that don't further the bottom line. Women's BB coaching salaries are the big outlier in terms of pay v. revenue, but the comparison to men's BB is just too stark for them to back off there. Patty Gasso makes over $1 million per year at Oklahoma for softball. I don't see softball getting cut. Oklahoma is one of the juggernaut programs in the sport and I would guess they could fund a lot of the expense through alumni if they don't already.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 31, 2021 21:51:37 GMT -5
VB, baseball, and softball are in the crosshairs most likely, as they're pretty well-compensated for sports that don't further the bottom line. Women's BB coaching salaries are the big outlier in terms of pay v. revenue, but the comparison to men's BB is just too stark for them to back off there. Patty Gasso makes over $1 million per year at Oklahoma for softball. I don't see softball getting cut. Oklahoma is one of the juggernaut programs in the sport and I would guess they could fund a lot of the expense through alumni if they don't already. Oklahoma is going to the SEC. Nobody is saying Oklahoma is going to have to make cuts. It's the other sad sacks in the Big 12 that will need to hack their budgets because they don't have Oklahoma and Texas pumping up their conference media package anymore.
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